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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 27, 2013 4:38:10 GMT -5
Helen, Sounds absolutely great! Although I think Busch was a pedophile I don’t think he killed the kids either. Robert
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 27, 2013 4:43:40 GMT -5
Helen, The docs say he worked at RenCen for a commodities company that got shut down- made the news. That is also where he was questioned by cops the first time. Could that have been what he was speaking of? It's not on the map because it's downtown Detroit. The high rise I see is the triangle across I-75 from Jill's drop site. It truly was the first real high rise in the area (25 stories, I think - location in Troy) then he went to work for the auto company for 10 years. That is when and why the killings stopped,isn't it? Tim Note: Yep!
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 27, 2013 4:48:39 GMT -5
Helen, This suspect is identical to John, except he is a big time child molester. But as far as age, background, circumstances, Bloomfield Village, it is right on. Just like you said, it must have been the old "Bloomfield Village boys couldn't be involved in something like this, right???!!!" If (and I believe this will be proven ultimately) this guy is proven to have been involved (they got DNA from his only first-degree living relative, a brother, but no results yet and it is expected to take a long time because it is mitochondrial DNA), your suspect is as close a hit as anyone else ever mentioned. John was either involved in some way or had actual knowledge or reason to suspect this other guy. There just cannot be any other explanation. Either way, it is obvious that John should have been looked at much more carefully and extensively after you turned him in. Xxxxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 29, 2013 4:30:05 GMT -5
I don't know Matt,but I think this is what your Referring to- There have been many posts regarding FOIA documents, this was post 5837, on Topix but scroll back a few and there are more. The discussion could be found on page 269.But who knows if it is still there??
Mybrotherskeeper wrote:
It seems that every time I read the documents provided in the FOIA case against the MSP, there is more and more to look carefully at. Supplemental incident report dated December 21, 2009: 12-18-09, D/Sgt. Gray: Left a voice mail for [John Hastings--this is redacted, but come on, this isn't brain surgery] at 1:15 p.m. Asked for the undersigned to call on Monday 12-21-09, at his convenience. Call to Steve Duncan, Georgia Highway Patrol polygrapher who examined [John Hastings]. Has not heard back from [John] since his tx regarding reading the book given to him by Dagner, Wolf in Sheeps clothing. [John] advised that he had recently changed jobs, however he's still working as a limo driver in the greater Atlanta , Georgia area. John [NOT REDACTED, thank you very much] was advised that it has been a long time since we've spoken and haven't spoken since [redacted for a few lines].[John] did qualify this statement by saying he read the book that was given to him by Helen Dagner, "Wolf in Sheeps Cothing," [redacted, redacted][John] stated "I don't know how it came to this point because I had nothing to do with this case at all." [John] mumbled throughout the conversations, but this seems to be his speaking style.[John] adamantly denied any involvement with the case and added it may have been from his numerous contacts with Helen Dagner and his fixation with this investigation. Due to not wanting to upset [John] by questioning him further in an accusatory manner, AND AFTER REALIZING STEVE DUNCAN'S POLYGRAPH WITH HIM AND HIS WALKING OUT OF THE EXAM VERY UPSET [emphasis added], the undersigned decided not to attack him further but to soften the process."
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 29, 2013 4:34:27 GMT -5
Ken, this is the photo of the ditch,I would doubt if a big white van drove up and just rolled Tim out
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 29, 2013 4:39:05 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 29, 2013 4:45:22 GMT -5
Helen, Could “555” be the suite number at the building across from where Jill Robinson was dropped off, not the address? Also, I still think he was an alphabet killer: Pick-up locations H: Hunter-Maple Pharmacy (or Hunter Road where Poppleton Park is located)– Pick- up location of Tim King A: American Legion Hall – Pick-Up location of Mark Stebbins S: Seven –Eleven – Pick-up location of Kristine Mihelich T: Tiny Tim Hobby Shop – Pick Up Location of Jill Robinson Drop-Offs I: I-75 : Drop Off location of Jill (why would someone be so bold as to drop a body on an expressway? Only to solve his alphabet clue, IMO) N: New Orleans Mall – Drop off of Mark Stebbins G: Gill Road – Drop Off of Tim King (why go all the way to Livonia for a drop-off? or Officer Gil Fowler who found Anthony Mitchell?). S: Bruce Lane – Kristine’s drop-off doesn’t make sense except the “S” may fit for snow, he may have wanted to confuse the police and went for Bruce as in “Danto” who wanted the body dumped on Squirrel Road. “Here is your ‘S’”, Dr. Danto!” Or perhaps S is for Sunnydale; near where Tony Mitchell fell off the Water Tower. Also: J = Jill A = Anthony C = Cynthia? Was he involved? He also may have thought Kristine’s name was “Chris” as indicated on the placemat. K = Kristine
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 29, 2013 4:53:05 GMT -5
Helen, Just pulled that out of the air and joking. Sorry. Do you really think you have a John/Busch link? If there is one that would be the ticket to this whole thing but it just seems too good to be true. Sometime you'll have to tell me who Hummer Guy is and what the f--k this is about. Dave * Note: Dave,Its about Christine Bracken the Busch Maid
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 29, 2013 5:03:55 GMT -5
Helen, Did you ever talk to all of these people? These are all connected to Busch -Murder? Suicide-I really need to talk to them all---W.Aitken----Det.Quarles.....Cpl.McNamee---Officer Speicher---ID Technician Brabant---Medical Examiner Goebel Brynes.......Fleet Ambulance attendeant William Dabar and Olma Koligink-Task Force members-John Davis and Ron Pierca---Mrs Harry Dunn-Christine Bracken-There are alot more also---but these are the Important ones--- Ron *Note: Ron, A couple I never could get a hold of~
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 29, 2013 5:15:25 GMT -5
Helen, are they about ready to name a new suspect? Jean Note: Jean,I have heard the same thing from several people.I get the sense that LE has something up their sleeve and they are trying to find a way to manipulate the message for public consumption....
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 1, 2013 3:42:11 GMT -5
Helen, What ever happen to that suspect named Bowden ? Ken *Note:This wasn't a police suspect -that I know of,so I would rather not go into the details,other than to say-we had at least a dozen people contact us over the years -suggesting him.
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 1, 2013 3:53:19 GMT -5
I just read your post about clearing up the mis information on the Occk cases, correct me if I am wrong but didn't you clear all of that up for everyone in the 90s? The prosecutors also want to clear up misinformation on evidence in the case. They confirm four child victims all had white dog hair found on them, but none of the white hairs are from the same animal.
"And then when that was expanded out to potentially other suspects, there hasn't been any consistency in animal hairs other than it is white animal hair, period," said Walton.
Not only are the children not connected by the same white dog hairs, the carpet fibers believed to have been on all four victims are not necessarily from the same carpet. They are just similar in color.
"The scientists are telling me it means exactly that. It's in the same optical plane. It's in the same color scheme," said Walton.
The shotgun shell in Busch's room cannot be matched with the caliber used to kill Jill Robinson.
"They even took it to NASA to try and see if they could get an identification of the caliber and there was no way in which they could do that," said Cooper.
Prosecutors also say they have tracked down the scientist who analyzed the ropes found at the home of suspect Busch.
"He conclusively told us that he was aware of these facts and that had there been any blood on that rope or ligature he would have sent it on to the evidence unit," said Walton.
The prosecutors say the families of the victims and media outlets continuing to push Busch as the Oakland County Child Killer have misinterpreted public documents and have not seen the real evidence.
"I keep seeing things in the media that are just so wrong, so inappropriate," said Cooper. Matt Note: You are correct,we did try to clear those items up,year after year,and although few people listen to us,we are very proud to have been right on each and every item...and more ,that you have yet to hear about.
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 1, 2013 4:00:01 GMT -5
Helen, Obviously, when this case is solved they want the credit (although we all know its YOU who has kept this story alive). Pat * Note: You are so funny,did you forget the small Army that helped me? I will never forget them
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 1, 2013 4:06:20 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 1, 2013 4:52:25 GMT -5
Well the time line would be about right-because it was 1992,when Don asked me if I would take a poly and appear before a Grand Jury...so this could have been going on-but I will have to read more Info on this~ as neither Studt or Chief Ostins name appear in this document---If this appellate Doc is dated 1996,this could well have been started in 1992-will see .... Well if I had read this slower,I would have caught this *In January 1992, plaintiff gave a deposition in a state civil rights suit brought against the City by a female probationary firefighter, Mary Potts. In his deposition, plaintiff described several instances of racism within the fire department. In March 1992, plaintiff told a local television reporter that the SFD was sexist and racist. He recounted several incidents that he perceived as evidence of racism in the SFD. 5 A few days after this television interview, plaintiff agreed to speak with a newspaper reporter. Plaintiff was quoted as saying that the SFD was ignoring racism at the SFD and that the City's minority hiring plan was a "sham." On March 23, 1992, plaintiff wrote a letter to the City Administrator, defendant Robert Block, in which he accused the City of being a "do-nothing" administration and complained that the cadets had become "engine house janitors." Plaintiff sent a copy of the letter to the media. 6 On April 29, 1992, Director Tobin sent plaintiff a letter of reprimand criticizing plaintiff for his comments to the media. The letter stated that plaintiff's public statements had compromised his ability to perform his job duties and to act as a representative of the City. 7 On August 27, 1992, plaintiff filed a civil rights action in Oakland County Circuit Court. On that day, plaintiff held a press conference at City Hall. Plaintiff stated that racism existed at the SFD and that he did not believe the SFD wanted to recruit any more minorities. 8 On September 8, 1992, the City terminated plaintiff's employment. Plaintiff then commenced this action in U.S. District Court, claiming that he was wrongfully terminated in violation of his First Amendment rights and in violation of the WPA and the ELCRA. After the District Court stayed plaintiff's WPA claim, the jury returned a verdict in favor of defendants on plaintiff's claims under the First Amendment and the ELCRA. Following the verdict, the District Court dismissed plaintiff's WPA claim. Note: I just have to check this all out more-as it is hard for me to wrap my head around how this would have stopped Birmingham PD from going forward on the Oakland County Child Murder Cases---and the Alpena Lt told me this is what stopped them?
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