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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 24, 2013 2:48:21 GMT -5
Helen,Ever find out what the mystery dot on the other side of 75 is on John's map? Wonder if that could be Jills blanket location? Maybe Tobias was just pulling your leg hoping and fishing if you would remember something from John about it. Seems freaky that Cathy had something posted about that blanket from the docs. Or does LE have things that screwed up? Scott Note:* I will answer this after I have time to think about it....
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 24, 2013 15:05:31 GMT -5
Helen,
Question – what was the first name of John McKinney’s son who became a doctor? I have forgotten. Was he ever checked out by the police? I want to look on the internet for this guy.
Also, one fact you fail to mention with your posts is that John told you that he went to a Tiger game with a group including Tim King and it was on Tim’s July birthday in 1976. I looked it up and sure enough, Mark Fidrych pitched that night for the Tigers. Did you ever ask Cathy about that possibility and her recollection of Tim attending a Tiger game on his birthday?
I am just wondering whether or not there is a baseball connections somewhere with the Birmingham Little League or Tim’s team and John.
Thanks.
Greg
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 24, 2013 16:22:02 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 24, 2013 17:57:25 GMT -5
I spent all that time replying to the above post ....and now it is missing??? and I see the other posts are missing also??
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 25, 2013 4:41:43 GMT -5
Helen,Ever find out what the mystery dot on the other side of 75 is on John's map? Wonder if that could be Jills blanket location? Maybe Tobias was just pulling your leg hoping and fishing if you would remember something from John about it. Seems freaky that Cathy had something posted about that blanket from the docs. Or does LE have things that screwed up? Scott Note:* I will answer this after I have time to think about it.... I can not begin to tell you how many times I answered this post-and it never took-So this will be the last time -I will even try-I do not think Tobias was pulling my leg-as he asked about that blanket just to many times,I don't think it could have been in police custody at the time he asked me-I do not know what the Mystery Dot is that John drew on Jills drop off map-but you can bet that it meant something as John was a very detailed person,he never did anything -that didn't have a reason-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 25, 2013 4:43:32 GMT -5
Helen, Question – what was the first name of John McKinney’s son who became a doctor? I have forgotten. Was he ever checked out by the police? I want to look on the internet for this guy. Also, one fact you fail to mention with your posts is that John told you that he went to a Tiger game with a group including Tim King and it was on Tim’s July birthday in 1976. I looked it up and sure enough, Mark Fidrych pitched that night for the Tigers. Did you ever ask Cathy about that possibility and her recollection of Tim attending a Tiger game on his birthday? I am just wondering whether or not there is a baseball connections somewhere with the Birmingham Little League or Tim’s team and John. Thanks. Greg I emailed you the Info you wanted-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 25, 2013 5:07:42 GMT -5
I receive lots of emails in about Cathy's Blog and none of them are positive-so I have chosen not to run them or answer them--that is until yesterday when,I received the longest email I have ever received,I thought about it all day and over night--I'm not going to post the email-as there are to many freaks ...that would take it as planting seeds-but I do want to make a few statements about it-#1 You said you were disappointed,as you thought her Blog would be more revealing?? What did you think she was going to have a cam,watching over a Peta dish,where she had an Oakland County Child Killer Suspect growing?!!!~#2-Do you realize that for the first time ever-you are getting a look into the actual reports of this 36 year old case? #3- Do you realize that most law enforcement,have never had access to any of these Documents that Cathy is posting? Obviously you are paying much more than the rest of the public to view her Blog,and that is why you are complaining-right? As for the rest of your dribble-I have my own Issues with Cathy,so yours are not important to me,so I won't expect to hear from you again-One last statement I want to make to you is how obviously it appears to me that you have never had a site or blog of your own-if you had,you would appreciate the time and effort that it takes,to keep at this everyday,so my suggestion to you,is to never bash someones work product,until you have been there and done that!!!!
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 25, 2013 22:28:01 GMT -5
So far, I haven't read any where you can weaken Helen's theory, her story or the fact that all the cops involved took her seriously and her theory seriously. In other words, Argue the merits of the cases and the evidence and try to put forth the best case for your theory and if possible, uncover any new evidence. Personal attacks are unhelpful, counterproductive and beneath the level of civil discourse among adults. It also degrades and cheapens the entire memory of the children. Rick
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 25, 2013 22:30:56 GMT -5
Dave, It was In November-1998-the mothers of the four children who were kidnapped and killed in 1976-77 provided blood samples for the FBI to compare to DNA in hair found on or near the bodies of their children.-local authorities had hoped the results would indicate whether the hair belong to the children or perhaps the killer-what the cops were wanting at this time-was for the hair to be foreign to the victims..so they could seek a warrant to draw blood from an Arizona prisioner or exhume the body of Norberg in Wyoming...They did both...NO MATCH IN DNA-...Even to this day...some LE do not realize this Dna could be from a morgue technician or an ambulance driver or a cop.....
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 25, 2013 22:36:58 GMT -5
Helen, How come Mr. King was the only family who campaigned against Jessica Cooper?JJ Note: He wasn't Kris' Mom took part also *DebbieJarvis This is Debbie Jarvis and I am the mother of Kristine Mihelich who was the third victim of the known Oakland County Child Killer victims. I too endorse Mike Bishop for Oakland County Prosecutor. This is not only based on the treatment of all victims families in the OCCK cases but it also includes other cases under the control of Jessica Cooper in addition to the OCCK cases. Jessica Cooper has regularly made public statements that have been either blatant lies or misrepresentations regarding the families and the investigation of the OCCK. Mike Bishop has offered the families more support in the past year than Jessica Cooper has in the past 4 years as Prosecutor. I believe Mike Bishop will do the right thing and turn these cases over to the Department of Justice for an independent investigation which Jessica Cooper refuses to do so these cases may be solved. Read more: www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/dad-of-oakland-county-child-killer-victim-makes-appearance-in-political-ad#ixzz2RWGHSoZj ( Comment at bottom of page Is Deb's)
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 25, 2013 22:48:07 GMT -5
Helen, I found this on the Internet,can you answer these questions? I don't understand what there saying about the ropes? The one prosecutor said the victims weren't bloody there was no sign of blood. Now this scientist they tracked down is saying something about the ropes having no blood on them so how does this not make Bush the killer? Unless I'm reading something wrong... I think it was Bush because: 1. A women saw Tim King with his skateboard in the parking lot of the store he bought candy from talking to a guy in a blue Gremlin with a white side stripe. Bush owned a 1974 blue Vega that has a white side stripe. A Vega and Gremlin look ALIKE! I think the women got the model of the car wrong that she saw 2. James Vincent Gunnels hair was found on one of the victims. Gunnels hung out with Bush. I don't think Gunnels is the killer he may have not even been present his hair may have been in Bush's house or car and ended up on the victim 3. Bush is into raping little boys and only boys not girls. All the articles only mention that the two boys were raped and not the girls. 4. Bush had ligatures and rope in the house so clearly he was tying someone up. I know at least one of the victims was reported to have rope marks around there wrists. Pat *Note-I won't even try -I have answer them so many times-and most of that post if not all is BS-I can tell you-there never was any Blood on the ropes-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 25, 2013 22:54:08 GMT -5
Geo, This is what I know about the necklace-It was not considered evidence by anyone in Law Enforcement but Det. Ray Anger * Lt. Joe Krease who was the keeper of the Occk files at the time-said he and others who were part of the investigation had been apprised of the Berkley finding..."From what we were told and what we've seen...it certainly is not visible as far as evidence-we can't tell where he got it...or even who it belongs to....The Sate Police talked to Kristines mother...and she did not recognize the cross-Which Det. Anger said was found by Norbergs widow as she went through his effects---The Michigan State Police said at the time...this so called development was ..."Blown out of proportion"....Anger said a female relative of Kris'-identified the cross...under hypnosis...as Kristine's- aunt ,who was 12 at the time of the abduction,recalled Kristine had won the cross at the Romeo Peach Festival...However-not one member of her family had ever seen it..and Kris' always shared everything with her family...and that informant who handed in the necklace...Norbergs sister...had the same name....but she spelled it differently
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 25, 2013 23:02:50 GMT -5
Helen, One thing that puzzles me is that second line drawn on John’s map which shows Jill’s drop-off site with a line across the expressway (which I think now is Somerset Mall). I don’t think it’s to the office building on Big Beaver but perhaps that where he meant it to go. Did you ever find the one map which shows Tim’s drop-off spot? I’d love to see that sometime. Greg NOTE:The Cartographer Says One thing that puzzles him was that second line drawn on John’s map which shows Jill’s drop-off site with a line across the expressway (which he also thought mite be the mall,but he didn't mention the one you did.....
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 26, 2013 3:56:54 GMT -5
Helen, Did you ever talk to Allison who lived around the corner from the Kings...their house was one block over on Maple and you would have come to their house first if you were coming from Hunter-Maple...a few houses down Maple,turn left on Rugby and a quick right onto Yorkshire and the Kings were the fourth house down on the left-a two min. walk,Tops-and this was Tims skateboarding area...Then there is the fact -that Mike bagged grocerys at a store in Tims abduction area.....and Mike had some contact with Tim at his school...I guess Mike played the violin along with others for Tims practics for the school play...which Tim had the lead part...of Mike in the Chocolate Factory-I think the play was suppose to take place-the week that Tim was abducted-Mike also would be at the differant parks where Tim and his friends played ball...anyway I put nothing passed this Golden Boy {Mike}...He is a pc of work!!...I found xxxxx Zabriskie in Tipton Mi....most likely its the same guy-since it's a very uncommon name...I haven't contacted him & I most likely won't....but someone should- Tess Note: I never contacted either of them,but the info on the two was in the file to the Task Force
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 27, 2013 4:21:57 GMT -5
Helen, Can you imagine the MSP having to explain how it is that these two creeps live in the same neighborhood, same age, travelled in Europe, etc.? I believe that BOTH of these guys were ultimately given the "benefit of the doubt" because they were Bloomfield Village boys. At least the guys in Cass Corridor didn't kill their victims. Scott
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