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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 13, 2014 22:50:27 GMT -5
Helen,When exactly was John overseas? Brad NOTE: I'm not sure he ever was,I know he wasn't overseas during the child killings,as I have documented all of his time. I also know that there are no photos of him while overseas,in fact there are no photos of anyone he met while he was there ,nor are there any photos of any of the buildings he painted,and the overseas pattern of travel and how he arrived there and returned to the USA reads like a fairy tale-there are at least 7 different story's told by him and four different story's told by his family and I can not find anyone including the mother of his child and his Girlfriend,who he ever discussed being overseas ,at all...I know John well enough to know that he just created the over seas story and all his info came from the Library. I will be telling you my Theory on this.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 13, 2014 23:34:39 GMT -5
Wow!! Helen,I can hardly wait to see how this turns out,didn't Don Studt tell other Police Depts. That John's Alibi was his Passport? Kev Note: Well now he will have a chance to prove it! LOL
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 13, 2014 23:40:33 GMT -5
Helen,did Don ever tell you John's Passport was his Alibi? Scott NOTE:No he didn't...I suppose he fail to mention it,because I would want proof...and there are no records available,for that proof!-Don't you just love a good mystery? Did you ever play Clue ?
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 14, 2014 2:22:35 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 14, 2014 20:13:01 GMT -5
You have to remember Helen, when you put up headers like that,We Cops go nuts, start emailing and call each other,It is a very funny happening-I tell you We do think You know something,and we are embarrassed to have to call you -to find out what it is,it has been like that for 20 +years-Xxx Note: Your so funny,If I haven't told you in 20 + years,did it not cross your mind,that maybe...just maybe....I don't know anything else?
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 14, 2014 20:17:58 GMT -5
There’s my feisty Helen, lol. I have to run out for a few, over an hour late already – but when I get back I’ll respond to your site too. Not only is it a free site for viewers, we’ve never been subjected to the Google adds you get on so many other sites.
IMO, the problem doesn’t come from those who ask the questions, even when they happen to be stupid. It’s the ones who consistently down play every bit of information you post because they have decided it’s personal between you and them.
Hang in there! Xxxxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 14, 2014 20:22:44 GMT -5
However, the fact that YOU were not interviewed for this bothers me. I’ll be watching with much anticipation but will try to keep my expectations low. Geo NOTE: I'm sorry I forgot to tell you -I was Interviewed at great length,must of slipped my mind....
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 14, 2014 20:24:50 GMT -5
Dave, They were contacting me-because of the stuff of yours I put up-and so they could say-Helen, This is "BOB"....and it was a Bob-Funny stuff-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 14, 2014 20:28:05 GMT -5
-Larry,Sloan has a history of five criminal convictions for sex crimes. In 1959, when he was only 18, Sloan was found guilty of gross indecency. In 1979, he was found guilty of 4 th degree criminal sexual conduct in Howell, and third degree criminal sexual conduct the following year in Alpena. In 1985, Sloan was found guilty of two counts of first degree criminal sexual conduct, and is currently serving a life prison.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 14, 2014 20:33:00 GMT -5
Helen,I have been reading all the "stuff" on the Internet about that Patrick The No Lie Guy or should I call him Mr. Slick!! Funny how that never comes up with Patrick, isn’t it? Busch *supposedly* told Wassner that he didn’t do the Stebbins killing, but he was involved in the King case. And while I’m thinking of that, why would Busch tell a polygrapher that he was guilty of one, but innocent of the other if it wasn’t true? I understand lying to your lie detector guy, but if you’re going to lie about one lie about both right?? Lol.Xxxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 14, 2014 20:36:38 GMT -5
Helen,It bothers me that “Keeper” never came out publicly and told Patrick to knock off the attacks. In fact, she’s allowing him to stand behind and do it in her name….which pisses me off because of all the hours I spent helping “SAM” conduct research back in the old days. Oh well, lesson learned.Xxxxxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 14, 2014 22:06:33 GMT -5
Helen, Maybe the cops have you confused with Les Martin,isn't he the guy with all the answers? NOTE: I wish I would have told him that when he called...You have to get this new material to me quicker-lol
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 15, 2014 11:15:10 GMT -5
Helen,From Cathy's blog I see the continuation of loose suggested speculation along with a few documents surrounding Chris Busch murder/suicide and pedofile background. Never once did I see anything that supports the FBI guy's claims that he summarized the FOIA docs and found that Jill's bike was recovered at Tiny Tim's. Did I miss something here? Was there ever a police report that states that her bike was recovered at Tiny Tim's? I would like to believe that the King's would be dedicated to making the claims they make as accurate as possible surrounding this case especially in their DVD release. Once again, what am I missing here? Norm
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 15, 2014 14:01:27 GMT -5
So if we really have hairs that connect Gunnels, and Sloan both with pedophile backgrounds. A McKinney that may have counseled pedophiles that was murdered under very unusual circumstances surrounding an Art Gallery. A Chris Busch with pedophile background that was already questioned about the OCCK and may be connected to Mark Stebbins some way from that night. A murder to look like a suicide with a sketch of Mark at the scene. Conflicting information rumored about the boys being sexually molested that no one can make heads or tails out of the truth. Most commonly believed anyway that they were molested by an object after death. Etc. etc.
It almost spells out that someone that knew some basic forensic background planted the hairs and made it look like these crimes were sexual in nature with an object. Even go as far as putting different carpet strands at each scene just for the fun of it. Further this person is an artist. The drawing at Busch scene seems to point to it. Very good chances that this person has got real thingyy thru the years and felt they would never find any proof to connect him. So thingyy that he would share some of this with someone at a Big Boy restaurant 14 years later. Play a little game with police practically doing a tap dance right underneath their noses just like the murder themselves. He felt so good being on stage and making this whole scenario look so silly that no one would ever dare seriously consider it. Even Mr. Studt was amused with the attention he was craving. Sgt.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 16, 2014 18:25:23 GMT -5
Helen,I read your story about Mark,It was really good! Then I decided to go look on the Internet to see what others had to say--There was nothing as usual.Your the only News Media,that ever remembers,and the only site that ever covers all of the children. Thank You for taking the time. Mary B
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