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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 8, 2014 6:45:27 GMT -5
So Helen,what is going on with that Les from Topix? Scott NOTE: It appears that he is having a Karma Smack Down,which probably will go on for a very long time....As what you sow, so shall you reap....
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 8, 2014 6:53:57 GMT -5
...I have read all of your emails and have decided to delete them all,I can see no useful purpose for running them....I get it you do not like the Kings,but some of your comments are just not called for. Like the one about Cathy buying Hits for her site,why would you care? If you have a big cash Investment in her site-Just ask for a refund!
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 8, 2014 7:08:06 GMT -5
SEX AT 79 > > I just took a leaflet out of my mailbox, informing me that I can have sex at 79. > I'm so happy, because I live at number 71. > So it's not too far to walk home afterwards. > And it's the same side of the street. > I don't even have to cross the road! > > ~~~~~ > > > Answering machine message, > "I am not available right now, > but thank you for caring enough to call. > I am making some changes in my life. > Please leave a message after the beep. > If I do not return your call, > you are one of the changes." > > ~~~~~ > > Aspire to inspire before you expire. > > ~~~~~ > > My wife and I had words, but I didn't get to use mine. > > ~~~~~ > > Frustration is trying to find your glasses without your glasses. > > ~~~~~ > > Blessed are those who can give without remembering > and take without forgetting. > > ~~~~~ > > The irony of life is that, > by the time you're old enough to know your way around, > you're not going anywhere. > > ~~~~~ > > God made man before woman so as to give him time > to think of an answer for her first question. > > ~~~~~ > > I was always taught to respect my elders, > but it keeps getting harder to find one. > > ~~~~~ > > Every morning is the dawn of a new error. > > ~~~~~ > > The quote of the month is by Jay Leno: > "With hurricanes, tornados, fires out of control, mud slides, flooding, > severe thunderstorms tearing up the country from one end to another, > and with the threat of bird flu and terrorist attacks, > are we sure this is a good time to take God out of the > Pledge of Allegiance?" > > ~~~~~ > > For those that prefer to think that God is not watching over us.... > go ahead and delete this. > For the rest of us... pass this on! > > GOD BLESS AMERICA !
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 10, 2014 4:48:17 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 10, 2014 23:06:45 GMT -5
Helen, Is that $100,000 Reward still good in the Occk Cases and are there any other rewards out there on this case? Dan NOTE: No the $100,000 reward was only good for a year and there are no other cash awards connected with this case...and that could be a reason that none of the Occk cases are solved.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 10, 2014 23:41:35 GMT -5
Helen,I just read your posts in the Occk-101 thread,Dang Helen,those good old boys have done you wrong!I personally think they should be looking at the entire family!I think you should repost your entire story and don't leave out a thing!I have seen the court papers,but I don't think LE could have looked at them because,if they had they would of notice the trigger dates all seem to match the events and this does bear looking into.Also the quickie request to the court to be able to sell property,and there is much,much more.I really don't think they did this investigation justice.The fact is 37yrs later,they still don't know who killed these kids and my guess is they never will! Bill Madison,Royal Oak,Mi.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 10, 2014 23:47:38 GMT -5
Helen,I think that Triangle Building John drew on his maps, may just be a marker for his map. He certainly knows where the police stations are located. I found two more on his maps that you have never talked about. Ken
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 12, 2014 22:38:52 GMT -5
Helen,Do you have any more Info on that Green guy who is on one of Gregs videos,I think I knew him from Flint Michigan. Dave #Note: I have this in my files-#Gregory Woodard Green, born in Detroit on 5-2-50, the third of four children. Died in prison 12-29-95. Graduated from St. Agnes High School in 1968. His prison record indicates that as of 1977, he was 5/10”, brown hair, brown eyes, medium build, fair complexion, and he was unemployed. After he was arrested in Flint on Criminal Sexual Conduct with a Minor charges, he throws his pal Chris Busch under the bus for killing Mark Stebbins in February 1976. Cops interview him and determine he is more than a snitch—probably a perp, and the MSP polygraphs both him and Busch. They both passed the polygraph. Green’s adult criminal record: 3-8-68, Traffic warrant, Flint MI 5-25-69, Contributing to the Del. Of a Minor, Flint, MI 1-2-70, Minor in Possession 9-13-70, Possession of Marijuana, Huntington Beach, CA 8-8-74, Felony Child Molesting, Sodomy, Sex Perversion—5 yrs. Probation, after being an in-patient at the Patton State Hospital in Patton, California, from January 24, 1975 to January 7, 1976. On February 11, 1976, Green left California for Michigan by Plane. Green was arrested by Flint Police on January 25, 1977, for the offense of sexual penetration of a 12-year-old boy in August 1976 in Flint. The investigation expanded to include over 50 victims of sexual exploitation and culminated in the arrests of Green, Chris Busch and Douglas Bennett. At the time of his arrest, Green was living at his dad’s house, 5510 Baldwin, Flint, MI. Green was living with his dad who was sick and dying.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 12, 2014 22:53:28 GMT -5
Geo,I think this is the post you asked for and yes this does appear on the site, However I do not have a clue where. My *confidential* thoughts on the whole investigation as it stands today just can’t be published Helen. Lilly is sp adamant that McKinney is involved in the killings, and maybe he was, but I think it’s far more likely that John’s Mom told him something that day at Landmark that caused him to be murdered that very night.
I don’t buy the fact that Busch is the killer. He did run in bad circles though, and he may have known a hell of a lot that important people didn’t want known. His *suicide* was awfully convenient for a young rich kid child molester who wouldn’t fare well in prison.
I think Cathy is just so desperate to see it solved that she’s grasping at straws. They don’t have much on Busch. So he was a child molester and a creep….so was about 300 other perverts in the area. Why would Busch take Jill and Kris? It doesn’t fit. If he was going to sell them why kill them? Especially Kris….she was kept 3 weeks!
I will say that it doesn’t surprise me at all if Lilly was threatened over the Redmond issue. There are some seriously deranged individuals in Detroit , and a LOT of people knew the Reverend. That angle makes a lot more sense than her being threatened over the OCCK case,
I will send you some more thought after I get unpacked,give me a couple of days.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 12, 2014 22:58:10 GMT -5
Helen, I read on your site about Dr. Danto and his ink drawings of telephones,do you have any idea why he drew telephones? Chris Note:I really don't have any ideas on why he drew them,but I know his office was full of them and they were huge.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 12, 2014 23:09:25 GMT -5
Ken, I have this about Common Ground,I think this was written by Cathy in response to some thing I had sent her or maybe it was Judi---The second interesting reference was at page 71–to Common Ground, 1090 S. Adams Road, a multi-service crisis intervention center and free clinic back in the day. John McKinney, the art dealer/chaplain/whatever murdered in his Birmingham studio very near Common Ground in September 1977, has been mentioned over the years in connection with Common Ground, as well as with these murders.
A third interesting reference is to “Camp Oakland,” a place for “bad kids,” where some have reported very bad things happened to them there.
Yeah, you could call this all just a big reach, but it’s interesting reading to those of us who lived in the community back then. And check out the epigraph, a quote from Socrates, on the opening pages:
The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority. They show disrespect for their elders, and love chatter in place of exercise. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs and tyrannize their teachers.
Seriously?! The children in Oakland County weren’t tyrannizing anyone. They needed to be protected from monsters like Chris Busch, Greg Greene, Bobbie Moore, Ted Lamborgine, Bill Shaffer and many others who were as sick as these men. ## I have a lot of information in my loose paper notes about many of the players named in the Occk cases,it seems they all had connections to Common Ground,and at the very same time-it is to much for me to type tonight,but I will try to get that info up on the site....some time...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 12, 2014 23:18:36 GMT -5
You have all asked some really great questions,I'm not sure how many I will answer,as some will be in up coming videos,and in site posts already in the works. Other questions,I'm not sure at this time I will answer,as I have to be very careful what I post now...as I do not want to screw up the solving of these cases,we have a lot of stalkers out there trying to derail this current Investigation,so it is best to with hold a lot of what we know,just to be on the safe side,as none of us want another circus like the Chris Busch Saga....
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 12, 2014 23:31:48 GMT -5
Don, Interesting question-your wanting to know why I don't go to the news Media with my story,what can I tell you? I have been asked to go on TV,radio,newspapers,you name it all the local media has contacted me at one time or another---The very first time the Birmingham PD Interviewed me,they asked what do you hope to get out of this for yourself Helen? My answer was nothing,I came forward because I felt it was the right thing to do,I still feel the same way today-I have done the right thing-I gave them information,that I felt was important to the Investigation,what they have done or will do with that information is up to them...they are in charge,they either want to solve these cases or they don't-that is not my problem,I am not responsible for these cases being unsolved,I do however hold someone responsible for these cases not being solved in 1992...and you will all learn about that soon....
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 13, 2014 12:59:42 GMT -5
Hi Helen,
Isn’t it odd that the maid could not get into the Busch house because the doors were locked, yet LE has a picture of the back door (to the garage?) being open? Bill
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 13, 2014 13:59:02 GMT -5
Let's see, Cynthia Cadiuex (who some think was really murdered by a Detroit cop to frame the guy convicted, his son-in-law), Sheila Schrock (murder supposedly solved), four OCCK murders, and John McKinney. That's six deaths in a short period of time. You'd think the police would be a little more interested in Busch's "suicide". Bunch of amateurs despite all that short-term experience .Mike
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