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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 4, 2014 22:43:36 GMT -5
Helen, I know my eyes are getting bad but I can't see a d**n thing. I think Cathy needs some of your staff to assist her in the graphics department. I can't make out a thing on the recent docs or her pics she has posted. They are just too small and don't cover the screen. Maybe I need a bigger computer screen? Ron
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 4, 2014 22:53:53 GMT -5
Helen,What the King family needs to do is quit Flogging a dead horse this particular statement or line of conversation is already foreclosed or otherwise resolved, and any attempt to continue it is futile; and to continue in any endeavor (physical, mental, etc.) is a waste of time as the outcome is already decided. Frank
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 6, 2014 6:28:12 GMT -5
WOW! Since the Feedback is so intense, It will have to wait until later today,as I will need to look up a few things....
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 6, 2014 7:03:22 GMT -5
At the closed facility in Northville, curious visitors stroll underground in the tunnels that once were used as service tunnels. www.ounewsbureau.com/?p=2734
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 6, 2014 20:24:31 GMT -5
What is a conspiracy theory? * NOTE: It is trying to add help to your worn out theory of Busch being the Occk,so you start rumors that his father was a pervert,who was supplied children by Bobby Moore and all the other Cass Corridor & Fox Island Perverts-It's NOT TRUE,However If it had been,What does this have to do with the Oakland County Child Murders?? We are looking for a KILLER! Not a Pervert!!
A conspiracy theory is a theory that claims that an event or series of events is the result of a plot by a covert group or organization.
In the Oakland County Child Killer cases there have been numerous conspiracy theories that have developed to explain the abductions and murders of these four children. Some very bizarre theories have been offered. - In essence, a conspiracy theorist forms an opinion and manipulates some of the evidence while ignoring other evidence to fit the theory.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 6, 2014 20:57:58 GMT -5
This Post appeared on the Topix #2 site today--*"Bad guy Richard Lawson, who ran with this pack of pedophile freaks and who was also a convicted murderer, told attorney Dave Binkley a couple years ago in prison that Bobby Moore (another OCCK suspect and pedophile) used to get little boys for H. Lee Busch. One needs to consider the source here, but nobody should be too surprised to hear this given that Chris Busch also sexually abused his nephews." See the manipulation-Just get it out there-toss it against the wall -like spaghetti and see what sticks!!! This is not the only post out there on this subject-and there is no proof anywhere that this ever happen,this all started making the rounds after the OC Prosecutor-stated publicly that Busch was not a suspect,that there was absolutely no evidence that pointed to Chris Busch as the Occk! You would think that would have been the end of trashing the Busch Family--But no these Conspiracy Theorist...would just not let go--Keep in mind that none of these people have done any research on Busch' Dad -But I have! And not once did anyone but the Kings followers bring this up--Why because it simply is not true!-And Now they point to Richard Lawson as having told this to Att. David Brinkley-- at and interview he had with Lawson while he was in Jail for murder and for child sex crimes--and notice the date that this was done does not appear--Well If Richard Lawson would have had any Information about Chris Busch Dad being a pervert,he would have told it long before this meeting with David Brinkley he had a lot of Interviews-where he always name a suspect.And he certainly would have told Det. Gray as he was trying to make a deal with the Michigan State Police,and for 50,000 Bucks,he would tell all,however when he found out that deal wasn't going anywhere,he told them what he knew...and it had nothing to do with the Busch Family-ever- ( I'm going to run a few news items about Lawson-- as you read them -keep in mind how many times he has made statements about Bobby Moore to make it appear he was really on top of the Occk cases all these years-ya right--He had no Idea that Bobby Moore was even Dead,so he switch to Ted--
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 6, 2014 21:00:31 GMT -5
30 YEARS OF INVESTIGATIONS~A LOT OF QUOTES LAWSON ~JAILHOUSE INTERVIEW~ March 21, 2006 Interview of Richard Lawson by Scott Lewis, Fox 2 Detroit reporter, in basement of Wayne County Jail, just after Lawson's sentencing for murder: Lewis said Lawson "weaved a tale" that at times chilled him and at other times seemed "far-fetched". Lawson claims he is NOT the OCCK himself, nor had any involvement, but he claims he knows who is. He said Bobby Moore was a pedophile who ran a business that catered to kids in the Cass Corridor in the 70's. He ran a bike shop and was involved with pornography. Lewis told Lawson that Moore is dead and he was surprised and said he wasn't aware of that. Moore died 15 years ago of natural causes. Lawson said he also knows of a second person involved. He would not give a last name but he said a man named Ted was a friend of Bobby's. He now lives in Ohio. Lawson said if what Ted said is true, than he's an accomplice. Lawson said he worked undercover as a paid informant for police, including the OCCK Task Force. The police told him who they wanted him to contact, and form a relationship with. Lewis asked him if he ever molested a child as part of operation. Lawson said he was told that if he had to, to get into the inner ring, they would look the other way. Lawson said he did molest to get into the organization. He said the authorities knew exactly what was going on. Through the pedophile ring, Lawson said he met Bobby Moore and his friend Ted. At some point, Ted held up a Polaroid and said "Does this NOT look like the King child?" Lawson said he was making a statement, rather than a question. Ted showed a second picture of the same boy that he said looked like King, with a man. It was a pornographic picture. Lawson said it looked like the King boy, but he wasn't positive on the ID. Ted from Ohio is positive on the ID of the picture and has told police he's absolutely, positively sure that's King. Bobby was not happy that Ted let something slip, and it basically busted up their friendship. Lawson said he knows who the man is in the pornographic picture with King, but he will not yet reveal the name. He says he expects to get something for his 20 years of work for the government. Lawson also said Moore stashed a car similar to a Gremlin, inside a big panel truck, kept outside of his apt. He took the car apart in pieces and disposed of it in the trash at Cass Tech. Lewis reported that the police have never found the picture. Lewis said he thought Lawson "stretched his credibility a bit" when he said the government knew of the porn ring and let it operate. Lawson said the people who bought pornography from the ring were blackmailed by investigators. Lewis said Ted took a polygraph on this case and failed.....
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 6, 2014 21:02:37 GMT -5
Man rejected deal involving Oakland County child deaths 3/22/2006, 1:11 p.m. ET The Associated Press DETROIT (AP) — A 60-year-old murder convict who gave police information about four Oakland County child killings in the 1970s rejected a deal that would have allowed him to serve his sentence in the prison of his choice, his lawyer says. The deal would have required Richard Lawson to tell all he knows about four Oakland County child killings in the 1970s, defense lawyer James O'Donnell told the Detroit Free Press. Lawson was found guilty March 7 of first-degree murder and armed robbery in Wayne County Circuit Court in the 1989 death of Exavor Giller, 67. The cab company owner was shot and killed outside his Livonia home. Lawson once worked for the company.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 6, 2014 21:04:29 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 6, 2014 21:08:39 GMT -5
And who could forget these Headlines-- ~ Oakland County Child Killer Caught! ~ | Life on the Row lifeontherow.proboards.com/thread/207Worthy's office also is bringing charges against Richard Lawson, ... Oakland County Child Killer Task Force. Lamborgine and Lawson face maximum penalties ...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 6, 2014 21:25:10 GMT -5
This is from Lisa' Blog-another Occk Group y that never could get it right-***There is one woman who posts on every single forum I have ever seen regarding the case. I'm not going to state her name here but let it suffice to say, she has been kicked off more than one forum, dismissed as a crackpot by law enforcement and has a criminal record herself. (I know this for a fact because I looked her up on Michigan's handy dandy offender tracking system and confirmed it.) She posits that she knew the OCCK, whom she refers to as "John" and over several months of coffee and gentle questioning, he eventually confessed and indeed, detailed all the reasons why he killed the children. She claims she has presented this to law enforcement and at one point, she had the support of a very active forum moderator.
All this panned out to nothing and I put it in the fruit and nuts category. What I'm trying to convey is don't always take what you read online as the gospel truth. If a law enforcement official is quoted, take that seriously. And you can bet, they are holding cards to their vests as well. Note:I have never been kicked off any forum--and I wonder how Lisa feels -now knowing this didn't pan out to nothing--I see her site never made it-and to hear her make the statement don't always believe what you read online as the gospel truth-that sure applied to her--she never even had the dates correct on the Children's Birth Dates-or there abduction and drop off dates-I couldn't even believe anyone would go on the Internet -who knew absolutely nothing about these cases--but there she was-she posted news about many suspects--and had it all wrong-Oh and did I mention she was an old Yahoo Group Member...I bet you already guessed that-lol Here are a couple of post from her Blog---
Posted by: Lisa***The fact that I approve comments has absolutely nothing to do with anyone disagreeing with me. If you had read my blog carefully, you would see that. It has to do with spamming of the comment section, a common problem with older entries on blogs.
Oh and by the way, Helen? I have been in contact with someone who knew Todd Warscka personally. The Task Force have met with this person and received very extensive information about Todd and his activites during that time frame. I wouldn not be surprised if the DNA proves Todd to be the OCCK.
What's with the~~~~~? That's not punctuation, you know.
Posted by: Lisa | October 10, 2005 at 02:39 PM Helen Dagner
LISA~I'm not sure you are aware~so thought I would stop by and tell you~The DNA did not match~Hmmm wonder why?Also Mark was abducted on the 15th of Feb.1976~thought you mite want to change your posted date on that~there are quite a few other items that need to be corrected in your post~However I am busy and don't have time to do it now~but if you need any help covering this story and bringing it up to date~just shot me an email~Best Regards,Your Web Friend~Helen Dagner
Posted by: Helen Dagner | December 04, 2005 at 07:06 PM
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 6, 2014 21:39:44 GMT -5
Information that Lawson has given police in the past year and a half has spurred new activity in the investigation of the child killings. His statements have led police to Detroit's Cass Avenue corridor, a neighborhood that was a center for prostitution and pornography at the time of the killings.
The deaths of 11-year-old Timothy King, 12-year-old Mark Stebbins, 12-year-old Jill Robinson and 10-year-old Kristine Mihelich horrified the Detroit area. All four were abducted from business areas in suburban Oakland County and found suffocated between February 1976 and March 1977. Two had been raped, and one also was shot in the face with a shotgun.
In a jailhouse interview with WJBK-TV in Detroit that aired Tuesday night, Lawson said he believed the owner of a bicycle shop in the Cass corridor, Bobby Moore, may have been the killer.
Moore died of natural causes in 1996, said State Police Detective Sgt. Garry Gray, who is leading the investigation.
Gray confirmed that police are investigating Moore's possible role based on Lawson's statements. He said there are several other suspects.
Lawson told WJBK that he had no involvement in the killings, and Gray said he had passed a lie-detector test to that effect.
Gray said he did not know whether or not Lawson had any other information that could help investigators.
"I think he's just playing games right now," Gray said. "We're not playing games."
Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy said Lawson's refusal of the offer has not stopped the investigation.
"I would especially like the families of the victims to know that our first priority is seeing that justice is served," Worthy said in a statement. "We hope there will be a resolution to this case that has haunted Michigan for three decades."
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 6, 2014 21:41:37 GMT -5
I will get back at this later-I can not bring up my Feedback file at this time-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 7, 2014 9:23:51 GMT -5
Our site was down last night,and it has put me way behind on my schedule Occk events and not being able to bring up my Feedback files has just added to the confusion,so sorry but I will have to put something on the back burner and it will have to be the Feedback...I will post it as I have time,It mite be a good Idea to not send any Feedback in this week-end,so that I can catch up....Thanks, Helen
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 7, 2014 9:35:47 GMT -5
Helen, one has to wonder about the day that the King family received their 3,200 pages of anticipated documented evidence of Busch being the OCCK, that the best thing that they could come up with for the news was a document dealing with a woman from Rogers City (Scott Lewis report on King family FOIA). Did the King family ever explain this to you? Did Scott Lewis have anything to say about it? Matt Note:I didn't talk to the Kings about it. I did however talk to Scott Lewis and he was totally amazed after he viewed the tape,that my team could have picked that up,as it was such a quick flash,he was Impressed,with the fact that we watch everything that close--This conversation with him is posted on the site,If I should run a crossed it by accident...I will re-post it...
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