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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 28, 2013 15:39:22 GMT -5
Helen, I believe that this green dude looks as close to the sketch as their Vega looks to a Gremlin. If that tells you something? Don
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 30, 2013 5:00:28 GMT -5
I am not Interested in any Occk conspiracy theory,so please put your time to something more productive-*some of you do not even know what A conspiracy theory is,so let me tell you,it is *an explanatory proposition that accuses two or more people, a group, or an organization of having caused or covered up, through deliberate collusion, an event or phenomenon of great social, political, or economic impact--that is not what happen in the Oakland County Child Murder Cases--So do not send in posts beating up on the Kings or Patrick or Les-because quite frankly they do not know what the Hell there talking about,they just are not accurate on their details or the facts of this case,it is all just spin--one problem is-everything they have to say --is all hear say-No Evident s--They got it in their mind,that this or that is proof--proof of what? That there is a Conspiracy?? Oh please...!!!What would the value of a conspiracy in the Serial Deaths of four children be? And don't give me the sex angle-that is a whole different can of worms-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 30, 2013 9:29:08 GMT -5
Hi Helen,
I think both John Hastings and Gregory Greene look like the photo. However, wasn’t Greene in prison at the time of the drawing and abductions?
Greg
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 30, 2013 15:02:32 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 30, 2013 15:04:32 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 30, 2013 15:07:08 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 30, 2013 20:44:43 GMT -5
Take a Good Look at this Information-That Truth Dude Calls Evidence!!!In The Occk Cases Helen, Thanks for asking in a civil tone. It would be actually wholly insufficient to just list one thing, as there are many.
1. Chris Busch DID CONFESS to Larry Wasser as reported, and which he Wasser repeated to me, and to law enforcement; about Busch orating his involvement in the death of Tim King.
2. Chris Busch DID TAKE one of his Nephews to the exact site where Tim King was abducted and speak as if in the first person telling him "This is where it happened" pointing to the exact spot where Tim King was taken.
3. Chris Busch DID get sent away to boarding school in Europe based on his own Parent's inability to control his pedophilia, even with his own young nephews as victims. One of the very nephews who later informed the Police of Busch taking him to the spot where Tim King was taken. Not a general parking lot, but exact spot.
4. Chris Busch DID tell law enforcement in his interview that he trolled for kids in the exact places where these four were taken from. Further in that same interview, he spoke openly as a convicted pedophile; and admitted he had a problem which appeared out of control.
5. Chris Busch DID actually fail his polygraph test about the death of Mark Stebbins upon review with modern scoring methods, as well as Greene's test. Greene told his own cell mates, his brother, and authorities that Chris Busch DID kill Mark Stebbins in the woods.
6. Chris Busch DID tell law enforcement authorities that he and Greg Greene did have a with to hold a boy in captivity while one had a day job, and the other had a night job; and that the male child would be tied up.
7. Chris Busch DID have a set of parents and a lawyer who paid off, or attempted to pay off, his many known victims throughout Michigan, and perhaps elsewhere.
8. Chris Busch DID own or use a car that is consistent with the description of BOTH the blue car with the white stripe, AND ALSO the other known description of a 60's / 70's LeMans.
9. Chris Busch DID take an unknown boy or boys to the Lake Ess cabin in the time frame of Tim King's abduction in 3/77, and the local Sheriff's office failed to respond to that call as a neighbor woman knew Busch was not to be in the company of minors from his prior convictions.
10. Chris Busch DID have an obsession for photographic child porn and/or imagery of children sexually; and was caught with same as evidence against him, as well as the presence of a charcoal pencil drawing of what appears to be Mark Stebbins as determined by Stebbins brother, and others at his suicide scene. The very person he took a polygraph test about killing, and was reported by Greene to have killed in the woods.
11. Chris Busch DID have residence in a home near the abduction sites with carpet that matched the fibers found on all four victim's socks / pants. Further, a dog(s) with the same color hairs as well found on these four children.
12. Chris Busch DID & HAS received preferential treatment in the court system compared to John Q. Public, and despite all these above variables and MORE, the OCP refuses to investigate this client of her former best friend in deceased Attorney Jane Burgess; if not for other reasons.
* The King family and law enforcement have even more than this which all point in one direction, and mathematically exceed to the minds of a former FBI agent, and highly experienced career lawyers; that Busch and associates were clearly involved in this case. ** All of this and MORE are contained in the current King family video "Decades of Deceit".
Each member of this forum owes it to themselves to get a copy, or share their copy with others.
TRUTHDUDE
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 2, 2013 18:19:09 GMT -5
As I told you all in 1993 and again in 2004--golden carpet fibers and dog hairs -are not in the least a smoking gun in this case-everytime I see one of you go on and on about the dog hairs-I realize how little you know about these cases--and how far behind you are on updates--you really need to catch up-and stop making yourself a fool--and quit passing on in correct information--- The White hairs-are not Dog hairs--they are animal hairs,plain and simple--and in fact they are Cat hairs and rodent hairs and even a horse hair--So quit with your trying to match them to this or that ones dog! It is a waste of brain power to try and make this in to evidence--Yes-white animal hairs were found on each child--But they all were not dog hairs and they all did not match on each child--Now for that Gold carpet--nearly every home every where had some form of gold carpeting in--the carpeting samples they have from this cases are in volumes-The carpet in Busch hoes was not Gold-but an off white-it did not match the fibers of the known carpet fibers--many others came in like a horse shoe-(Close) but not a ringer--others actually,were not of the same material -or color--THIS IS NOT A SMOKING GUN EITHER--AND IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T EVEN RANK AMONG BEING IMPORTANT-You all discuss this like you know what your talking about-however you don't--and your really wearing out-the friendship-Of Jessica an Busch's attorney-so what they were friends-so that is your proof of a cover-up? Oh Please-Patrick claims to be a professional person and we take him at his word that he would not screw up a polygraph on Les-yet someone like Jessica Cooper who is also professional-you accuse her of covering up for a dead friend!! Give me another break-Cooper didn't even get to the prosecutors office until late 2009 -so if she is such and evil bit-h-then why wasn't the case solved before she took office?
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 3, 2013 21:13:26 GMT -5
Helen,
Please have the decency to view the full King DVD before passing judgment on their efforts. You can say what you want about me; but I am in the investigative and intelligence business and don't just toss out my sources to any curious Joe or Jane. You may regard the info that came to me about JH as coming from an official source, and that others were also told that beyond myself. Truth Dude~~~~~~~~~~~~~- *******Well Truthdude-Since you want to continue this game of trying to make us believe that you have inside info-BS--to begin with you can not comprehend the written word-EVER!!!--I have seen the entire King Video-and not only on my own site but on here-I have said it was done excellently-I have said that Mr. King did and amazing Job-ect. ect. ect-I have also said that Mr King-believed every word he said--BUT I DO NOT HAVE TO SAY THE DVD IS ACCURATE-BECAUSE IT ISN"t It is full of distortion,it is full of twisted information and Constance out and out Lies-Thank you for giving this opportunity to vent -and I will take advantage of it--not that it will do any good-but all the info you also post is wrong--There were no panties at the Busch Crime/Suicide-Chris Busch had nothing to do with these murders-it it is a Cory Williams -Cathy Broad King-LIE!!!! You bring on anything you have about these cases -and I will tell you how it really is--and I am sick of the Kings pity party-because it is not genuine -There were four children murder by the Occk-and they would like the people to think that Tim's is the only one that matters-For god sake they didn't even have the decency to send the Family members a free Video-What does that tell you-also with all the chapters of plain crap-why didn't they make a chapter on each of the other children-At the very least it would of made the Kings look Human-Instead they enclosed a bunch of papers stating on relevant info to the case-that everyone has read a dozen times-and you your so behind on these cases-you should be ashamed to even post-I'm not done with this-I just have another commitment-So do not think I am not going to give you the rest of the story-Including how Cathy has removed some of her BS info from her Blog-to make it appear she didn't run it--and how she is not running good decent posts from certain people-because she doesn't want anyone to know the truth-Yep-you think you know the Kings-Well Patrick-you need to remove your rose color glasses-and tie your pant legs shut!--Later-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 3, 2013 23:27:54 GMT -5
Earth To Patrick Aka TruthDude--Helen Dagner
Petoskey, MI
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1 I finish the King Video and it was done very professional,I thought Mr. King did and amazing Job,and he really believed what he was saying,I agree with Reasoning,that it was apparent they were dancing a round on some important Information,however most people who will view it,will never know that,because they don't know what we know,and that is fine... I did get a couple of Belly laughs out of Kathy's reporting-she did a great job because she has a very good speaking voice and I'm the only one that would be aware of the "Whoppers" she told,but you know what,time will take care of all of that. I say if you haven't view or order the DVD yet,you may want to do that-and really,it is not difficult to sit and watch,I view the entire DVD in really one siting as I just took a 15 min. break.A tremendous amount of work went in to producing that DVD...and I say-Job well done!! (Note-Patrick Maybe you should read the other posts on the site instead of just your own-then you wouldn't make such stupid comments) Please note the date I made this post on this site and read the first line-It clearly says -I finish the King Video- So once again I did your research for you-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 4, 2013 9:15:12 GMT -5
Helen,
Very well then, with that you have met your burden. Further, with what you have written it shows you are entrenched in your position about JH. I accept that about you despite anything you could be, or would be shown; this despite teams of lawyers and an ex-FBI agent's input, and just too many variables to dismiss. I accept you are where you are.
Two questions for you then. One, if John Hastings was the OCCK and you believe him to be a serial killer, if not pedophile; then how did he get cured and stop once moving away from Michigan ? Second, if he can easily kill as you suggest, why not target you to eliminate your ongoing focus on him ? I know that even you have had to wonder these things yourself. By definition serial killers don't stop, and you would have been clearly next on his list in the threat you have posed to him. Did JH ever threaten your life in person or in writing ? I claimed in all I have read that he appears to be a Beta Male; so convince me otherwise or make an argument for his being an Alpha Male which all serial killers are as sociopaths. Again, just trying to ask reasonable questions here that you yourself should have the answers for given your focus on your suspect. TRUTHDUDE ****Note-This is your apology for being and A-hole yet again? I do not owe you the time of day-You need to use your time more wisely-and bring your self up to date on these cases-and stop passing along bad Information-your mouth flops around like a whipper wills A$$-Which certainly reflex's on your LV conversation-*Do not-*Donot-I repeat! Address me ever again on this board * I am not interested in anything you have to say* I have yet to see one time -any of your Info has been correct-and I'm sure after all of this time-there never will be-Saying I met my burden of proof-You dumb A-hole-I have no burden of proof that I need to have-I will not be the one making the decisions on this cases-nor will you-nor will the Kings-It will be the Oakland County Prosecutor--and If I recall,she already made the decision about Busch-and that was NADA-(Not Involved)* Let me give you another reality-These cases will not be solved on the DNA that -they have at this time-and you don't even know why--Helen
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 5, 2013 11:27:18 GMT -5
Helen, further observations of Greene photos on Cathy's blog reveal a window's peak feature to Greene. All the Greene photos seem to reveal this V-shaped point in the hairline in the center of his forehead. Very rare on males but he had one and would had been easily recognized and remembered by a witness as it most definitely stands out. Since John's hair part (on his left side) already matches the sketch along with other features perfectly, he wins by a long shot. Since this Patrick-TruthDude seems to push his theories so much but also seems to lack any common sense. Ask him along with Cathy and Mr. King as far as that goes, how Greene parted his hair to the side like the OCCK sketch? I think it's impossible with this window's peak feature in the center of his forehead unless of course Mr. Greene had this surgically removed before breaking out of prison and abducting Tim. Scott
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 5, 2013 14:06:34 GMT -5
Dang it Helen. Now Cathy is going to remove the Greene pics just like she did on the Bennett stuff. She may have to remove everything before it's over with. Mike
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 5, 2013 14:20:02 GMT -5
Greene was much like Eddie Munster in fact he looks like an older version of him. The poor kid couldn't have his hair parted on the side like most kids. Dave
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 6, 2013 2:52:01 GMT -5
We will continue with the Greene-John Sketch contest-to date we have 118 for John -and 27 for Greene-and 11 who couldn't decided who match the Occk sketch the most...
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