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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 25, 2013 0:10:28 GMT -5
Helen,
One more question for you – does Denise Powell know about Anthony Mitchell and John McKinney, as well?
To me, the guy who would most likely talk is Mike Hastings. We don’t really know of any real connection between the Hastings and Chris Busch. However, I’m guessing HE was somehow connected to Busch thru Fox Island or just being the newsboy in the neighborhood. Perhaps old man Busch had his way with Mike. Chris Busch was a very convenient patsy, IMO. I still cannot get over the VW rabbit owner’s manual on his desk at the suicide scene. Why? He could get any GM car he wanted via his old man. That scene was staged.Xxxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 25, 2013 0:14:43 GMT -5
Helen,It’s good that you asked for the questions in writing. I know, here in my job, I always ask for things in writing so things do not get lost “in translation”. etc.
It’s encouraging that Xxxxxxx Xxxxxx is at least asking you questions. What is your impression of her? Is there any hope? Xxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 25, 2013 0:17:17 GMT -5
Good for you! Perhaps once they invest a lot of time into it, they won’t want it to go to waste. IMO, LE needs to take some “risks” in order to solve this case.
For example, ask for the public’s help in the press with McKinney, with the gas station where Sloan worked or any acquaintances of his to come forward. Also, that church group in Pontiac. What was McKinney really like? Who did he hang out with at the time of his death? Show that Nelson(?) person who saw two guys at the drug store the picture of John and Tom. Put the screws to the Little Leaguers and hockey team back then and ask them if they knew the Hastings. Find out from the King family or his friends who went to Tiger Stadium for Tim’s 10th birthday party?
What have they got to lose? Lord knows the last 37 years of this investigation’s direction hasn’t worked. Xxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 25, 2013 0:19:46 GMT -5
Hmm. The good news is she wants to see them. The bad news is ..she is lazy. Don’t know what to make of that. Ken
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 25, 2013 22:17:24 GMT -5
youtu.be/0oSbSHIoiZYThe opening statement (as narrated by Mr. King) is the essence of what was told to me. Those words and idea alone tell that at least one, and certainly more, individual(s) KNOW who did this, and despite any legal or professional obligations; actually Lacked the moral and human depth to do anything about it. There is of course more to what was told to me from that source, but that short statement really says it all. This case was never really a mystery at all as to who did this, and we now need to know not only who ALL those perpetrators were, but also to know who chose to cover it up. Bank accounts need to be researched in the time frame of relevance of who paid out, and who received. Enablers of child molesters are on par with being child molesters themselves, and no mercy should be shown them. TRUTHDUDE
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 26, 2013 12:07:08 GMT -5
TruthDude wrote: <quoted text> I would also say it needs to be determined to what degree Busch was an artist, or took such classes. His being a chef might lead one to think he was creative / left brain oriented. TRUTHDUDE Reasoning said- There is no way in hell that the sketch left at Busch murder/suicide was done by just an ordinary run of the mill guy from the street with a sideline interest in art. That sketch was done by a skilled artist that has done a substantial amount of artwork and training. Take a good look at the texture hatching technique in that sketch. For someone to draw like that it would be common knowledge that he was an artist by others around him like any skilled artist that does a substantial amount of drawing.
Too many blanks in the presentation that are left intentional but are very important. Mr. King states that the police investigated two individuals down in Georgia and Alabama. Originally he offered to pay the police to go down there and interview them but later it was accomplished. Most of us know exactly who these individuals are but to not cover it in the presentation is perplexing and gives it a incomplete feeling like there is huge hole. It leaves many who don't not know this case well to ask who are they? Almost like waving a flag around them without stating who they are. Mr. King must had been directed to tip toe around these type of things.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 26, 2013 12:14:41 GMT -5
Brass Tack said-I have not yet viewed the video so am commenting just based on your post, Reasoning. I am guessing that they needed to stick with as much direct evidence as possible. The guys in Alabama and Georgia have a huge back story but nothing concrete in the hands of LE to make them viable for the public. If you are going to put out a video like this that takes LE to task for massive miscarriages, you have to stick with as much tangilble, provable info as possible.
Again, I am just guessing. mbk
San Antonio, TX | #18971 3 hrs ago You are correct Brass Tacks, the entire video was directed by / written by the King family, with no outside 'directing'. We simply hired a production guy to do the video in a professional manner.
There is no fiction here; there are statements of facts and also questions we have, that law enforcement have refused to answer since 2006.
All you folks need to remember that we are seeking the truth here, no matter who was / was not involved. If any solid evidence points to other suspects we'd be thrilled; however, no one has looked my dad straight in the face to tell him why Busch is now not considered a suspect.
- Mark King
Brass Tacks wrote: <quoted text> The guys in Alabama and Georgia have a huge back story but nothing concrete in the hands of LE to make them viable for the public. Reasoning said The FOIA papers tell a different story! You may want to go back and view them. More likely the case is as soon as one associates the H name with this, they will get scuffed at. Same excuse that has been floating around on this case for years and of course same excuse for lack of media coverage. Actually cripples any true investigation on this for that matter. Other than a political circus wrapped around Cooper, there is also a political circus wrapped around Mr. King and Don Studt. Heaven forbid that Don investigated someone in 1992 and failed to interview the people that actually might have heard some of the discussion back then. Certainly no paper trail anyway that he ever really investigated Big Boy staff. No matter how much they have blown this off over the years and brush it under the carpet, it doesn't fix the problem. If someone is going to really question the OCCK investigation they better take a good look at what happen in 92 as well. Friends or not friends it shouldn't hamper the search for the truth and in this case presenting the whole OCCK case. There are just too many holes in the Busch case without touching on these other things. A questionable murder/suicide with a questionable sketch and no one. I will repeat, no one associated that even remotely matches the Mexican looking character described by a witness and shown in the OCCK composite sketches. Reasoning
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mbk wrote: All you folks need to remember that we are seeking the truth here, no matter who was / was not involved. If any solid evidence points to other suspects we'd be thrilled; however, no one has looked my dad straight in the face to tell him why Busch is now not considered a suspect. - Mark King Reasoning said- Don't get me wrong Mark. The video is outstanding and the effort is very praised by me. I think anyone that studies criminology should watch it and ask questions. Perhaps it will become popular amoung the universities. It's just that there are some big holes and what appears to be a dance or shall I say an intentional avoidance around some things. It is so bluntly obvious that it entertains me in that sense and I think I know why. It would just be nice if someone would actually come and spit it out.
Petoskey, MI #18974 2 hrs ago Helen Said Just a couple of question,since I can not ask Chris Busch-What was his Motive? Does anyone know where he was the day Mark Stebins was abducted? also where he was during his captivity and where he was the day of Marks drop off? Helen Dagner
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#18975 45 min ago Helen Said- Where did everyone go? Say did you know that Chris Busch' passport was missing when they discover his body and did a search of the parents home? He did have the cops go pick up his passport,from his parents home at the time of one of his interviews..and it was right where he always kept it. Having talked to one of those cop's...he said the strangest thing,that the passport was all wrinkled,but that it was a valid one,all the real stamps...now that mite not seem important to anyone else -unless you have read the FOIA Interview's that John had with Don Studt up in Alpena-But to me it put up a red flag-Don asked John,so you have a passport,can we go get it? John said,well it is 10 miles out of town-Studt said that is ok we will drive you out to get it--John said,well I want you to know it is pretty wrinkle. Studt said,that is Ok,the stamps would still have the dates and ports on-Right? John said,I guess so....Not another word about that passport--Hummm
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 26, 2013 12:18:14 GMT -5
Helen Said-(Sixth,) Taken from Truth Dudes list of Evidence- Don't forget a claim that another convict (Lawson) claimed he provided male juveniles to H. Lee Busch (Chris Busch's Father) in Oakland County.)" Helens Note to that statement: *Yep that Lawson was a Gusher-He also told the police ,that Moore the guy that owned a Bike shop was the killer---then he told the police that He knew the Killer was a guy named "Ted" -Then he tried to make a deal with Gray,but said he needed at least 50,000 bucks before he could give them this real important info--Gray told him they didn't have 50,000 bucks to buy info-Lawson said-well I need to leave my family something. And I put all that work in under cover and should be paid some thing. Well when he found out there would be no money coming to him,out of the goodness of his heart and to get this case solved -he would tell them-"This Ted I was telling you about had a photo of Tim King,he even held it up and said with a laugh,doesn't this look a lot like the King boy?" Lawson said,yes it was the King boy,so the cops asked him where was that photo now? Lawson said he didn't know,but he is sure that Ted wouldn't get rid of it--NOTE THE PHOTO WAS NEVER FOUND and no one other than Lawson has claimed to of seen it.--But did he mention Busch' Dad? Never! And Gray stayed a pen pale of his for a long time as did Cory Williams--
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 27, 2013 11:31:43 GMT -5
STC Bloomfield Hills, MI #19017
Hey Les you always brag how tough you are , why don't you take patrick up on his boxing proposal . I would donate $ to whatever charity you would like and gladly pay the admission to see you have your ass well kicked . Or are you just a Pssy boy and all talk ?? I think everyone here already knows the answer to that question .
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 28, 2013 3:16:24 GMT -5
I finish the King Video and it was done very professional,I thought Mr. King did and amazing Job,and he really believed what he was saying,I agree with Reasoning,that it was apparent they were dancing a round on some important Information,however most people who will view it,will never know that,because they don't know what we know,and that is fine... I did get a couple of Belly laughs out of Kathy's reporting-she did a great job because she has a very good speaking voice and I'm the only one that would be aware of the "Whoppers" she told,but you know what,time will take care of all of that. I say if you haven't view or order the DVD yet,you may want to do that-and really,it is not difficult to sit and watch,I view the entire DVD in really one siting as I just took a 15 min. break.A tremendous amount of work went in to producing that DVD...and I say-Job well done!!
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 28, 2013 9:52:46 GMT -5
Occk Sketch Contest-John or Greene?? Let us know what you think~ Post to site or Email Me at Bingotank@aol.com
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 28, 2013 12:45:55 GMT -5
Hey Helen. There was much shading done on the OCCK sketch to pronounce the dark skin the witness described as 'Mexican Swarthy' feature obviously. Does this Greene outfit have dark skin? That Greene Prison Inmate photo sure don't show dark skin but the one picture of John on your site sure shows it! Another vote for John he looks Mexican! Tell the Kings to open their eyes for god's sake! Dale
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 28, 2013 12:47:51 GMT -5
Helen other than the obvious face features John has over Green, there is also how the hair is parted. Lookin at the top of their hairline, Green is parted right down the middle while John is on the side exactly like the sketch. John is the winner. Scott
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 28, 2013 13:48:57 GMT -5
Helen was that one picture of John next to the mustache guy right after the OCCK sketch came out? The reason I ask is if one observes the photo from 1967 and from 1974 he had his hair parted on the side. While the dark looking mexican photo of him is a sudden change in hair style where it's not parted at all. That added to the mustache guy next to him makes me wonder if this was right after the OCCK sketches were known. Had they shaved their heads completely off it may had been a little too obvious however John's hair stlyle seems to be a sudden change. Matt
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 28, 2013 14:55:16 GMT -5
Helen here is one vote for Greene. Knowing that anyone that writes to you will be voting for John and I cheer for the underdog. That was why I never voted for Obama either. Jim
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