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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 24, 2013 21:39:15 GMT -5
A couple comments regarding your investigation. First, you have amassed an incredible amount of good information. I was 10 years old when these crimes happened and I was terrified by them. The blue Gremlin, the composite sketch were possibly inaccurate and the news media spewed inaccuracies. (kind of like today but not as many media vehicles like twitter, internet , etc.) Food for thought: I bet I have been seen talking to people while standing next to a BMW. I don't own that car. I am not a suspect in anything. The blue Gremlin seems to be innocuous and coincidental. I bet if these crimes occurred and we had today's technology (social media, security cameras) this would have been solved in very short order. Jill A was going to Patrick Henry apartments based on the street names that were on the piece of paper. This is 1/4 mile from where I live now. There is a lot of drugs and criminal activity there even today. That part of the story confused me as far as what her connection to the main story was. Sketch 1 and 3 are Chris Busch. The revised sketch#2 is John. Clearly with hair parted on the side in 70s fashion, no side burns. Why is he being protected?? Have to let this sink in more. I just watched 17 youtubes Mike Hi Mike, Thanks for taking the time to post,I was a little confused by your statement"Jill A was going to Patrick Henry apartments based on the street names that were on the piece of paper." You meant Jane Allen right??
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 25, 2013 0:23:29 GMT -5
Helen, I found this old post.Jeff The first three children were found lying on their backs with their arms crossed over their chests. The source stumbled on the connection between this case and ritual or cult activity when trying to connect a possible acronym to the cities the children were kidnapped from and the cities where the bodies were left. The forth victim, Timothy King, was found dumped on the side of the road. The source theorizes that because of the huge police presence that night the killers had a close call in Lathrop Village, and were therefore force to dispose of King’s body in Livonia by rolling it out of the van as they drove down Gill Road just prior to turning East onto 8 Mile Road.-First sentence John said that in his interview-and The Girlfriend of his who turned him in-Said that is the way they had sex ****NOTE: Tim's arms had been placed the same as the other three-his one arm just rolled to the side,when he was placed-He was not rolled out of any Van-he was carried to the ditch and then the killer got down on one knee and rolled him to the side-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 27, 2013 0:36:26 GMT -5
Hi Helen,
Thanks for sharing this information. All I can say is “wow”.
Questions
1) “They need a witness or for the family to break down-and how is that going to happen??” My thoughts - can they show the photo to the guy who saw the man speaking with Tim and the other man in the car at the drug store? The guy Doug Wilson was on Channel 7 recently and had been an engineer in Troy, now lives in California. Also, would there be any harm in showing Mike Stebbins or the King family the picture of the Hastings from back then? It may ring a bell with the little league's, etc. too.
2) Arch Sloan – why on earth is this guy unwilling to talk? It not like the Hastings family are mobsters and will come after him if he were to be released from prison. Did they offer why they think Sloan is not talking?
3) Xxxxxx Xxxxxx-she picked out John as someone she knew – Did she recall where she knew him from?
4) The gay cook from Biffs – he is still accessible? Does anyone know how to get a hold of him?
5) Could Tom still have the gun (which killed Jill Robinson)? Have police asked him if he had any weapons?
6) Did LE give you “what the next steps were?”
I know it a lot of questions. Thanks so much.
Greg
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 28, 2013 4:46:49 GMT -5
Helen, Did you see the letter at Cathy's from the guy who thinks he saw Kris at the Tic -Toc Dinner,what do you think? Jan Note-Yes,I saw the letter and there is no doubt in my mind that the man,thought it was Kris,However,it wasn't,because the Jacket would not be what he would have remember about her clothing,It would have been her pants.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 10, 2013 12:09:09 GMT -5
faxed to Amazon Law Dept as well
Amazon’s Support of Pedophiles and Satanists.
This morning I awoke and realized that although Amazon banned me yesterday for defending myself, they left up all of the comments calling me a liar, fraud, and psycho. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that Amazon supports such trolls as Critthink- Karmakaze and ac2012- all of whom have pedophile protecting, satanists promoting backgrounds in which they do their best to promote Doug Mesner/ Luciean Greaves/ Doug Misicko’s satanic sex club, I mean- it wasn’t until the public got outraged that they finally pulled a book promoting pedophilia, so it shows where Amazon’s loyalty lies.
“The Pedophile’s Guide to Love and Pleasure: A Child Lover Conduct of Code” was written and published by Philip R. Greaves II, (notice that his last name and Doug Misicko’s CHOSEN satanic last name are the same), was published and defended by Amazon until the book got media attention and to save face it removed the book from its sight. This is an example of the code of conduct Amazon allows and promotes on it’s website, and the fact that it allows survivors of extreme sexual abuse to be trashed by it’s trolls- and BANS THOSE DEFENDING THEMSELVES- is a clear example of where Amazon’s loyalties lie.
Amazon will claim that it does not believe in censorship- but that is exactly what they promote when they ban people who are simply defending themselves. The last time they banned me- although I have on tape their lawyer telling me I was NEVER banned- I spent a year watching this group defame me and trash me while Amazon sat by complacently and allowed the attacks to happen. This, in my estimation- is wrong- and contrary to what they believe, they ARE RESPONSIBLE for what happens on their site.
This group of satanist promoting, survivor attacking, pedophile defending pack of dissenters are obviously not only welcome on Amazon’s site- but are promoted and protected by the organization. Although they have had complaints that this group- complete with people like Argo- who is a nobody named Jenette Bartha who was/is a proud member of the pedophile defending organization False Memory Foundation, have published people’s private information- including financial documents and a video of a 12 year old girl, grand daughter to one of the people being attacked, dancing- these are just a FEW OF THE ATTACKS that Amazon has not only allowed, but by their complaisance, have promoted and ENCOURAGED.
Such a site that allows victims to be reabused while promoting the satanic agenda of it’s online trolls who protect pedophilia MUST be recognized- as our corporate institutions MUST BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE for the things they allow others to engage in on their site. Doing their best to censor those who would defend themselves- they will leave the ugly allegations up so that others may be swayed against the victims as well. THIS IS WRONG IN MY OPINION, AND AMAZON NEEDS TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. David Shurter
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 11, 2013 8:39:17 GMT -5
Gang Stalked/Reported on Amazon By the False Memory Trolls
Yesterday- while I was looking on the web- I found some postings at a site named Randi.org that showed, without a doubt that there is a political group that formed involving the False Memory people who gang reported me to get me banned from Amazon. They do not like the fact that I and another survivor named Felicity fight them and their inane ideas so hard concerning a book by Judy Byington called 22 Faces. Having stalked the three of us, not only on the web but in real life, this group has done everything and anything it can to cause problems for the three of us and silence what we have to say. Obviously- judging by the fact that they have gang reported me before to Amazon, I am one that they need to be silenced, and Amazon has complied each time.
Felicity and I are getting ready to do a webinar today in which we detail our experience with the trolls on Amazon and who they are. We will also try to demonstrate and show how they work to surround, intimidate, and ultimately silence people who have come forward about their abuse. Talking about the strong satanic component that binds them- as their leader Doug Mesner/ Lucien Greaves/ Doug Misicko is founder of a satanic sex cult and was touted as a spokesperson for the False Memory Foundation in a January newsletter by the group, although his chosen satanic name of Luciean Greaves is after a man named Philip R. Greaves II who wrote The Pedophile’s Guide to Love and Pleasure: A Child Lover’s Conduct of Code. Always a joke and a slap in the face with these people- they love the play on words and their verbal attacks have been worse than them actually turning the three of us into every place they could think of to screw us over. Have no doubt though, all of it has been pretty bad.
Felicity and I are in hopes that this webinar will help other people identify and recognize trolls and how they work so that in the future they can be better dealt with and contained. And hope that the attacks stop soon.David Shurter
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 14, 2013 1:10:55 GMT -5
Occk Feedback~Site readers don't understand deeming Gunnels hair insignificant when it is comparable to the Sloan hairs?? Note: Sorry I had to take care of some Important Occk related Info-so I will post this later -I'm going to bed!
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 14, 2013 18:02:05 GMT -5
LAB FINDS DNA MATCH BETWEEN SUSPECT AND KRISTINE MIHELICH March 5: The FBI says its lab technicals have made a mitochondrial DNA match between James Gunnels, 47, of Kalamazoo and a hair found on Kristine Mihelich. Investigators say Gunnels was sexually assaulted by Busch and later socialized with Busch and Greene. Gunnels rode in Busch’s car many times but says he didn’t know Kristine or how his hair might have gotten onto her. Mitochrondrial DNA match isn’t as precise as nuclear DNA match. Note~ The Task Force has been well aware of how the hair could have been transferred and it was not from Gunnels association with Chris Busch-I'm not sure that Gunnel has even been advised about this development -as they have not even talked to Kris' Mom--and she is the only one who can give them the answer to which babysitters she had to watch Kris- one of the babysitters, Boy friend was a friend of Gunnels-they were both 15 1/2 yrs old at the time-I have talked to him,and he said he cried and cried the day this news was releases and he realized he unknowingly made the transfer-because James Gunnel, didn't even know Kris,there was no reason for him to mention her,because he didn't know Kris either,he was just over to her house to see his girl friend who was babysitting her...( now what? Will any Law Enforcement ever Interview Deb Jarvis-as in 36 plus years -none have--)
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 17, 2013 6:11:11 GMT -5
Re-Post-Early this morning a thought jumped out at me about John. Remember I told you that soon after we started communicating in March of 2006 (and you told me John went to Brother Rice) I recalled a conversation I had had with my dad about a suspect who went to Rice? I was back home and it was obviously after 1992 because I had my son with me, who was born in 1992. He was still little and it was before 1995 when my daughter was born. My dad mentioned that the cops were looking at a suspect who had graduated from Rice a couple of years ahead of me--that he was not a whole lot older than me. My dad said Don had spoken with this suspect (obviously John) and that he was crazy and had been in and out of mental hospitals. My dad also said that the cops' attempts to get cooperation from the family concerning dates he/they were out of the country, etc. had not been successful. That the family was not helping--"that it was too long ago; they didn't remember," blah, blah, blah. I remember him mentioning something about that the dad and step-mom couldn't even say when they were on their honeymoon. I said "how can they NOT HELP?!" My dad just shook his head and shrugged his shoulders. Cathy
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 17, 2013 7:17:04 GMT -5
NOTE~The Cottage at Ess Lake~Author: Cathy King Broad~ But Where is the rest of the story? *****This New Thread,Is not meant to cast doubts on Cathy's Posting or her Research-It is only to point out why these cases can not be solved on any FOIA Documents,or 1976-77 Police reports-The New Thread Is Located On The Front Index Page...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 18, 2013 8:18:16 GMT -5
Look-I know you all have questions and I still have all your email posts and some of them will get answered ...and some of them will not-the reason for this is---I still believe that there is hope that these cases can be solved-and there are just some things I will not answer because of this hope-There is so much junk Info out there on the Internet now--and I am not going to add any more to it...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 22, 2013 4:49:36 GMT -5
Ok -lets get the feedback started-the question I am asked the most is-Do I think Chris Busch was involved in the killings of the Occk kids? Let me say this,that is very difficult to answer.because I did a lot of research on Busch-long before he surface,with the King family,or any of the new investigators-by new I mean any of them from 1999 on-However Busch was not on my radar until about 2003 when Johns dad brought the Busch family name up in a telephone interview,I had with him in 2003---- I put a lot of time into this and after his name became public-I took another long look at him--and there is nothing that I can find that ties him to these murders or any murder of children for that matter- My opinion is,that if there was some evidence,not just hearsay that can not be backed up...maybe I would change my opinion,but until then,I have to agree with Jessica and the other LE dealing with this case-"That nothing points to Chris Busch as the killer"
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 23, 2013 0:04:39 GMT -5
Helen,those photos are great! In the one John looks just like Green,with that curly hair and there was a com posit just like that. Jess
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 24, 2013 1:59:58 GMT -5
www.topix.com/forum/news/jonbenet-ramsey/TGCT4DRIT9SGLAF3D/p890 (It Is The Six Post Down) On Topix Forum- Les wrote: <quoted text> You steered that conversation where you wanted it to end up. What gives you the right to muscle info out of me? Ursula says: And who are you to talk about rights? What gives you the right to threaten me because you didn't 'like' something I said? What a bad-ass man you are - and so scared inside - all because this 'woman' didn't 'mind' what she said! Oh, d**n, it's that loss of control again! Well YOU listen up! I don't respond well to threats! I'm not one of these beaten-down, easily intimidated women you like to surround yourself with, you got that? You have crossed the line, no going back. You have now inserted yourself into my life as a potential threat to be dealt with. Therefore, I can and do assure you I will immediately attend to this matter in pursuance of each and every legal recourse and remedy available to me. Note: Sorry the site here wouldn't post the direct Urls -But you will be able to view these emails by using the Topix Url at the top of the page
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 24, 2013 9:44:50 GMT -5
To go with the post above-we have this breaking news-Brass Tacks
Rockford, IL
Helen Dagner wrote: Look guys I need to go over to my site and make up some Feedback to post,you do not realize how time consuming that is,trying to think of a subject,then a name to add to the post in order for it to look authentic.
Here, let me help.
There is this dude on Topix that is self destructing. He is lashing out like a cornered animal, making threats to kill people, talking about going into hiding. He has done nothing but insert his bloated body and diseased ego into the OCCK cases with NOTHING to offer but empty promises. I advise everyone to stop reading there - or at least to stop responding to this guy. His value = ZERO.
Oh, and please give me a different name to protect my identity... how about COn? ; )
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