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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 30, 2013 11:08:37 GMT -5
Talk about opening the Flood Gates-Boy the readers are upset with this latest BS---You would be even more upset -If I chose to post all of these posts that have come in--I have to think this over...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 30, 2013 13:55:29 GMT -5
Ok-I have thought it over-and I can not see where running any more of these post is productive or of any value to the out come of these cases-If others want to stoop to the all low level of posting all this side line crap-then let them-I find it totally discussing to even posts such far out junk,about these cases-and you all need to remember that there are four families involved in the murders of these children,so we are not going to single out one and beat them to death -personally I could not be any sicker of the Oakland County Child Murder story -then I am today!!!
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 31, 2013 7:31:42 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 1, 2013 5:49:54 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 4, 2013 3:18:04 GMT -5
The OCCK HD Archives project now goes directly to Helen for her own personal and up close discussion about John and how for 20 years she has researched and tried to convince the OCCK task force. A very compelling story no matter what viewpoint you may have. In Helen's Own Words - Part 1 Helen first meets John through his Daughter's mother. Public released photos of John as a young man from school yearbooks, the true story of John and his weirdness right from the start, the maps of OCCK locations drawn by John at the Big Boy on restaurant placemats and recently resurfaced from Barry King's FOIA request, a close zoomed up tour through two of the maps drawn by John, the story of Anthony Mitchell and his water-tower incident told by John, an uncovered artifact taken right from John's apartment 20 years ago and recently recovered from old storage which may shed some light on John's fake passport endeavor. Note - This video released today, September 3, 2011, marks the 20 year anniversary of Helen meeting John. ****Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds... In Helen's Own Words - Part 2 Helen's first contact with Tom Robinson (Jill's dad) about John, her first contact with police over the OCCK details given from John, excerpt from Jill's favorite song Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and confirmed by a cousin, conceptual view of Hunter Maple Complex from 1977 where Tim was abducted and it's distinct shape from John's map. the various police departments listed on John's maps, parts of John's interview with police from FOIA docs, the inconclusive search for John's passport records and the inquiry of the first interview with John from 1977 with no passport reference back then, the book Wolf in Sheep's Clothing by Tommy McIntyre lend to John from Helen, an excerpt from the book that includes an interview with the first eyewitness account to Tim's abduction and the description of the man talking to Tim standing near a blue Gremlin. ****In Helen's Own Words - Part 3 Mystery youtuber 'MJH1922' promotes Helen's videos on his official playlist, the first visit of Birmingham police to John's apartment, John's list of stolen goods from his apartment including 115 books that were pawned locally in downtown Alpena, more details of the hanging wall art piece missing from McKinney's murder/gallery including color display from memory, inconclusive results from John's polygraph test in 2009 in Georgia from FOIA docs, the fallacy that the police presented for years about a coincidence surrounding Helen that caused the lack of investigation taken right from FOIA docs, how this has impacted the investigation for 20 years and still counting, interview with John's sister from 1992 and in contrast to what she has written on the internet in later years, interesting findings of the sketch of the Mark lookalike from Chris Busch murder/suicide with what appears to be someone's initials, "JH", and some unique cursive style to John's maps.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 4, 2013 7:03:41 GMT -5
When You Are Wrongly Accused
False accusations and gossip can destroy lives, even if the accused is innocent. If your reputation is under attack, Dr. Phil has advice on taking your power back:
Accept that there is no way you can erase what has happened. Even though the accusations may be unfair and untrue, the situation is real. You need to get out of denial about that in order to deal with it in the here and now. Watch your catastrophic language. If you keep saying this is "horrible" and your life is "ruined," you add to the stress. Put things in perspective. An innocent child in a burn unit of a hospital is horrible. Perhaps your situation isn't as tragic. Perhaps your life isn't ruined, but just damaged. Change your internal dialogue, and you will feel better. Life Law #2: You Create Your Own Experience. The first person you've got to repair your reputation with is you. Are you a bad guy? Are you a bad citizen? Do you hurt people? Do you commit crimes? The answer if probably no. Stop feeling guilty and being angry with yourself. Own your mistakes, forgive yourself for them but don't continue to beat yourself up. Life is not a success-only journey. Learn from your bad decisions and move on. Ask yourself what you would like to see happen in order to clear your name. Is there anything that anyone " the authorities, your co-workers or someone in the community " can do that could ever make the situation better. Begin with your inner circle. Start rebuilding your reputation with your family, close friends and neighbors. You make sure they know the truth. When your inner circle knows who you really are, they will go out into the world with the truth, and it will create a ripple effect. And if you are confronted with these false accusations again, you look the person in the eye, and you tell your side of the story. You don't need to bring this up the rest of your life, but in your immediate circle and in this immediate time, you want to step up and tell them the truth. Understand that people might come forward to admit they were wrong. And they might not. It is up to you to put this behind you. Give yourself what you wish you could receive from others. You need to say to yourself, "I know I didn't do this. And I will give myself what I wish the community, the authorities, etc., would give me." Life Law #8: You Teach People How to Treat You. Dr. Phil tells his guest, "If you walk into the world, and you're hanging your head, and you kind of don't want to look anybody in the eye, and you're shameful, then people will treat you that way. You've got to decide, ‘I did not do this crime. I am innocent. I've owned my bad decision, which comes with being young, and I am not going to hang my head in shame.' If you do, you will engage people that way. That's the fundamental way for you to get through this. You have to be your best friend, and you have to decide who you are at the core." Begin the process of closure by not reacting to what you think people are saying about you. If you allow yourself to be intimidated, feel guilty or shrink away because of what people think, you are putting yourself in a prison. Don't try to address every accusation. "If you decide to start defending yourself, that will become your full-time job," Dr. Phil tells a guest. "If you answer every story, every piece of gossip, every allegation in your life, that's all you will ever do." You will be completely consumed by this and it will take over your life. Stop reacting to the rumors. "You give it legs by reacting to it," Dr. Phil tells his guest. Don't draw attention to yourself defending the rumor. "You need to give yourself permission to just live your life. If there are people out there who think something about you that you don't like, then those won't be your friends." There will be other people who will like and respect you for who you are, and they will be your friends. Stand up for yourself and say, "I'm taking my power back. I'm not going to give them the power to pick my feelings. They're wrong and I can look myself in the mirror knowing the truth." Dr. Phil tells a guest, "You have to decide that you believe in who you are, what you stand for, and what you do, and you just need to go forth and do it." You need to walk forward from the situation. "Who you are and what you do, that will win out in time." Know that it's normal to feel a twinge of guilt even if you're completely innocent. We always hear about guilt by association. But there is also guilt by accusation. People hear something negative and tend to believe it. If you accuse a person unfairly, he/she still has that twinge " just from having the finger pointed at him/her. Don't fall into the trap of acting out with non-directional frustration. The stress that comes with being wrongly accused can lead a person to act out with those closest to them, like a spouse or child. Remember that the enemy isn't your loved one; it's an outside force.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 6, 2013 23:21:22 GMT -5
I received , as it turns out,a fake email message from a victims family member address. The subject line is "Important Document" and I was instructed to create a Google Docs account with my email address and password in order to download the Important Document. I fell for it. It has taken hours and hours to clear up the mess it made in all of my acct's .... and I'm still at it--So I'm closing down Feedback,do not send me any email posts-and do not send me any emails requesting information as I will not answer them,in fact I'm not going to even read them,do not send me any info you feel is important to these cases-as there is none! The Baloney that is being posted on Topix ,is just that Baloney!... and not even a Oscar Meyer Brand name-- These cases have turned into a Circus of epic proportions, I do not want any part of it,it sickens me to read such garbage,and to see it go on and on,and to even have the morons believe this crap - It is Incredible to witness how many fools there are on the Internet who are absolutely clue less!!!
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 12, 2013 3:47:47 GMT -5
Why Would Truth Dude Filter The Info To The Kings That The Guy With The 136 IQ Wants To Give Them? Note:He is a friend of the Kings. The Guys IQ is 1+3+6 total 10. This guy only wants to talk to the Kings,and really only Mr. King,so he can tell him some tormenting things that he made up in his mind.He wants to see his facial expression,when he talks of the torment that his son Tim went through,of course none of it is true-but if he could only get to Mr. King,it would for-fill his dream of shocking this father,to his very core. He could get off on that for years to come...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 17, 2013 4:24:53 GMT -5
Mark Stebbins Abduction Chart
Sun: identity is a complex and troublesome concept that may become somewhat of an obsession. Individualists, free-thinkers and original personalities, bohemianism and unconventionality while quite detached and cold in personal relationships and in dealing with people. Possesses inventiveness and an inclination towards scientific, progressive and taboo-breaking pursuits. Mind is abstract and comprehensive, and there is often a special talent for associative thinking and a capacity for reasoning at multiple levels simultaneously further can reveals meaning at depth, beyond mere form to the actual ramifications of patterns and concepts. Great observers of human nature, with an intuitive sense for the interplay between surface phenomena and inner motivation. It is their task to reveal the "truth" within the limits of a mental perspective. Sociable, outgoing and sympathetic individuals with a sense of being a "loner" inside the mind of these people. Friendliness is universal, but more personally oriented people may find them aloof and somewhat indifferent. Their viewpoint is at core intellectual and unbiased, and thus the capacity for relating emotionally may suffer. Aquarius associations: Large groups, computers, electricity, science, charity, rebellion, thunder & lightning, the ideal, unions Moon: drawn to artistic endeavors, moves with dignity and nobility - even a truly bohemian, slacker still radiates an atmosphere of fine birth and pride. Possesses a certain natural charisma and self-image and personal success after all is so important, tends to be vulnerable to criticism and easily hurt in these matters. Lies and unrighteousness of any kind is perceived by them as a personal insult. Grand, sweeping gestures of generosity and one they often lack, however, is temperance and true humility, as well as the analytical-critical finds it hard (and seldom want to) hide their opinions and personality. Sometimes come off as pompous and dogmatic along with a narrow-minded moralism that can be quite annoying. Leo associations: Kings, queens, light, gold, nobility, children, games, luxury, radiance, majesty, heart-attacks, appearance, fashion Mercury: nature lies in deep winter rest, seriousness or a vague sadness feel as if they alone have to make sure everything is flowing along flawlessly, and their sense of ambition is usually highly developed. Has an ambivalent relationship with reality. Channels energy into action and organization. If ignored looses balance and intent on creating some kind of private, symbolical universe of their own. Cold and detached and have little patience with opinion and subjective reasons and shy away from displays of emotionality. Intent on gaining status and respectability in worldly affairs, they harden themselves in fear of social embarrassment and loss of control. Capricorn associations: Mountains, buildings, large companies, geometry, CEO:s, organizations, goats, limitations, common sense, utilitarianism Venus: correct, analytical, conventional, thorough, pedantic, humble and retiring but somewhat cool and distant. "Arty", bohemian disposition, day-dreaming. With their eye for detail, and attentively humanitarian disposition, they make fine good Samaritans. Emotional detachment used a boundary against people trying to probe their inner selves. Possesses unassuming friendliness and tact while tends towards a strange combination of devotion/closeness and distance in relationships. Virgo associations: Health, nutrition, purity, service, messengers, pets, craft, assimilation, management Mars: connected to mysticism and spirituality along with an impression of remoteness, of distraction from the constraints of physical reality. Daydreaming, escapism and imagination. Adept at deluding themselves and those around them. Everything has an additional, mystical dimension - an emotional and intangible component that remains indefinable to rational thought and more or less impossible to communicate to others. In tune with its surroundings, able to pick up on subtle energies and hints that others are untouched by. An inertia and a bohemian laissez-faire attitude. Elusive and slippery, they find honesty and straightforwardness difficult. Has a very personal sense of morality that denies conventional norms of society in favor of the individual or subjective predicament. Addictive behavior, orientation is partly genetic and a product of milieu. Has vision and inner strength enough to recreate the world, or at least contribute with something unique, magic and otherworldly. Pisces associations: Oceans, poetry, music, illusion, alcohol, Christianity, martyrs, hospitals, prisons, oil-platforms, infinity, eternity Jupiter: enthusiast, eager to initiate different forms of activity. Tends to be aggressive and undiplomatic. Keeps an open and slightly naive world-view through their lives, acting and reacting with immediate enthusiasm in any circumstance. Seeks the pure core of life, the simple passion of being. Straightforwardness and simultaneously concerned with their high ethics and standards of idealism, could easily become the annoying pilgrim of righteousness or some kind of Mr. Know-it-all. Reckless criminality and attracted to sports and athletics. Takes pride and honor quite seriously, unwilling to yield to unworthy behavior or likewise degrading treatment of others. Constant danger of being burned out, physically or psychologically. Aries Associations: Iron, fire, soldiers, metal, mountains, races, beginnings, physical labor, red colors, desert, dryness, enterprise, hunting. Saturn: driven and purposeful good at bringing tasks to their conclusion. Suffers from feelings of inferiority, yet this in itself acts as a drive towards accomplishment. Known to really "get close" to its nearest surroundings. Tends to be moody and easily influenced by milieu, sometimes a bit touchy and introvert. Phenomenal knack for sensing whatever is needed in any circumstance, an intuitive ability for guessing and coping with the needs of people. May be tempted to use their abilities for manipulation, since that innate sensitivity and "feel" for the opportunities at hand makes it easy. Shyness or at least a discreet humility. Seen as defensive and anxious to remain in control, inclined to pick up on hasty remarks. Express themselves with great self-confidence and grandeur further conveys a sense of trust and sympathy, enriching their immediate atmosphere. Have some kind of creative talent that is fueled by stubbornness and purpose - that is, once a decision has been made. Adaptability, preparation, tact and perspective are all traits. Insecurity and emotionality may sometimes stain the clarity of that placid lake of love, and shine through as jealousy. Cancer associations: Tide, full moon, rivers, shells, wells, silver, mothers, milk, family, relatives, nursing, nurturing Uranus: calm and quiet on the surface, there can be equal portions of intense emotion, empathy and jealousy beneath the surface. Reputation of extremism, sees everything all in black and white, with no middle ground. Tends to be relativists, seeing good and evil, pleasure and pain as interchangeable phenomena along the yin-yang axis of polarity. Point of view is intuitive and in general quite personal. Serious, eager folk with a very examinative attitude. Feels split between two ways of gripping with reality. One part of them is reserved, secretive and shy, unwilling to open up and risk to be "exposed" to the world. The other powerfully desires to express all the personality and individuality that is stored inside. Both halves of their personality are usually control freaks. Often show feelings of approval or dislike quite openly, they can be extremely impenetrable with regard to their thoughts and plans. Can perfectly hide what they really wish to hide because it’s all about preservation of the self and its powers; sort of like "tell it, and it's gone". Quite elitist, eager to differentiate between and categorize people and values. Personal ruthlessness, intense jealousy and a condemning, vengeful nature isn't uncommon. Uses sex as a means for power or manipulation, or demands it as a proof of love. Are great problem-solvers and advisors, intuitively understanding the complex inner processes of the human being. Likewise, they are very perceptive to subtle and "trivial", emotional, subjective matters. Scorpio associations: Deep waters, lakes, wells, secrets, transformation, rebirth, suffering, power, poison
Neptune: there is a great deal of enthusiasm and idealism, and often spirituality. If you come across a typically Sagittarian priest or rabbi, you'll probably find one out of two types. Either the traditional fundamentalist - intent on keeping the sacred, sacred and the profane profane, disturbed by modern attempts at vulgarizing religion and bringing it out of its ritualistic context. Or, you might encounter the very opposite, a reformer of spirituality, eager to transform the old and frozen. Detached, ironic world-view tend to keep a sense of spirituality and an inborn yearning for all forms of higher learning and metaphysical values. . Look around the room for someone who seems to radiate light and space - even shy or grouchy have some quality of lightness and untaintedness over them, and they exude a certain charitable nobility. Lack of self-consciousness and modesty prone to sometimes forget all norms of discreet and sensible behavior within the framework of human interplay. These people aim for highly set targets, and demand much - often unrealistically so more than others face disappointment and disillusion when they realize how many of their aspirations have turned to dust. Nonchalance and tactlessness though an honestness and eager search for truth. Loves people and social intercourse keep a sense a of childish magic and the spirit of youth, they are a great inspiration to the young, determined not the let the mundanely of the everyday quench imagination. Accused of being fanatic about what they pursue and besserwissers in what they believe. Independence and personal freedom is of great importance. Sagittarius associations: Religion, law, sports, mythology, spirituality, higher learning, growth, arrows, bows, idealism Pluto: peace-makers, diplomats and lovers of harmony but could easily also become trouble-makers, quarrelers and disrupters of balance. Can be quite selfish and are especially skilled at finding smooth ways of enhancing their own ego and making their own desires the primary target. Likes refined and lasting ideas as well as action-guiding principles of value. Paired with a desire towards objectivity with an detachment and occasional impersonality of the sign. Easily swayed and indecisive, but moves with considerable charm and social deftness. Have the ability of making their conversation-partners feel important and give them the impression that their opinions matter. Often artistically inclined. Libra associations: Art, courts, law, beauty, harvest, partnerships, museums, diplomats, romance
-----Original Message-----Robert
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 19, 2013 9:39:46 GMT -5
Hi Helen,
I hope your meetings go well with the Law Enforcement folks coming up to Petoskey to speak with you later this week. It’s about time they did and I hope something positive results from your discussions which will put an end to this almost 38 year old case. I have deep admiration for you and what you have done to keep this case alive; despite the several knuckleheads that think you are wrong or have some ulterior motive for your Hastings beliefs.
Greg
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 22, 2013 0:56:33 GMT -5
Helen, The Legion's Hall had trouble with the cooler the Saturday/Sunday of the weekend Mark was abducted. On the afternoon of his abduction Feb.15,1976 the cooler/refrigerator was being repaired by a man who worked for a Sears appliance company located down Livernois and & 7 mile rd. Sear's sent this man out after receiving a call from an individual, Poss?? (Ruth herself) since she worked there This repairman saw Mark while repairing the cooler/re fridge visiting with his Mom. This man brought his own vehicle to the Legion's Hall, as he was contracted out by his boss from (Deltron) which was Sears sub-contracting Co. who sent people who worked on call for Sears Appliance repair store to the locations needing service. This would have been a"Gremlin" this repairman drove to the job at the legion Hall. He left the Legion Hall as Mark was leaving, He heard Mark ask his mother for money for chips & candy, As he left to walk home the appliance repairman offered Mark some chips/pop, and a ride home.. Xxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 22, 2013 1:11:51 GMT -5
Helen, No,..that is not what I am doing (eluding) I do know things surrounding the case no one else knows, I am not an unwell woman who is delusional or otherwise, I have repeatedly discussed matter's over and over and information that does not seem like it is being attended to, nor looked-into. I can't make it any clearer to LE, you or these families of the victim's. Despite my rebellious nature in the past with any LE, with personal matter's ,jail-time, or pending charges for things in my past, is clearly irrelevant in this matter and, to make matter's worse any Psycho-analyzing of myself needs to stop. "I am" a not too sure woman some of the time,..have made poor decision's, have some unresolved family issue's , But surely am of sound enough mind and have enough sanity to know the difference between (wrong and right). The ridicule needs to end.Did you or any other LE ever stop and think.... Maybe this woman does know something significant, and maybe we ought to re-interview her, although we interviewed her before it might be worth our time again and again if need be. Why do you think I would be putting losing my children on the line, by talking about this nuts, when I could be doing something much more constructive and valuable with my time and family member's ,friend's and relations. You have to realize Helen ,I don't mean to be a pregnant dog about this or come off mysterious and evasive, But I grew up in Michigan,Did work with Marian King in a Birmingham dental office, personally talking to her about what happened to her son, and that was before I met my two-year olds father who owned a blue Gremlin and was investigated by the original task-force during the murder's.And when they re-opened the investigation in Feb. 2005, he went off the deep end that night, telling me "I have something to tell you", "I am involved in the Oakland County Child Killing's". Furthermore, I Do know a lot of people,"who strangely and ironically" cross a lot of path's with each other, and with some very significant people of interest surrounding this O.c.c.k case. I have lived in Detroit,lived in Ferndale, lived in Royal Oak,where my oldest daughter went to school(and yes a catholic school) lived in Grosse Pte. Park,lived in Warren, My real parent's before I was adopted lived not only down in Cass Corridor, but lived on Junction and Michigan ave.(south-central Detroit) And these were not short stints- each place was for several years or more. I just moved from Pontiac, (in which i spent 3-years there) from 2003-2005, Moved to Lake Orion last year and back again recently,(And yes I know xxxxxx xxxxxxxx is back in Lake Orion Xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx) Also as far as Pontiac is concerned, I am very familiar with Apple lane apartment's, d**n, I feel like I am writing a resume to convince you....YES, Strangely enough for only being XX yrs old, I have Been, Seen, And heard a lot of surprising, correlating, information here in Oakland Co.MI. I have quit a few friend's and connection's spanning across not just Oakland Co., but Wayne Co.and, Macomb Co. as well. This is what happens when you have come from an unstable and dysfunction environment as I have. Yes,... I do have a "criminal" record, so be it,I can't change who I was or what I did, I am just Xxxxxxxx, no mystery to it, check and see my life is an open book, ask LE what's up with me. I am not eluding anything, don't have no reason to. I am trying to tell what I know,also have heard, And until certain particular's that don't want to take the time, or make an effort to do a little more (in-depth) investigating, and take the cotton-balls out of there ear's, this will never be concluded. by the way what happened to all the feed-back on the information I sent you since January this year?I was always exchanging info-rarely ever seeing or hearing more than I did from you. Once again, you even say it yourself, how can a case be solved if people don't share and work "together"? Like for example info on the name/owner of the Le Man's I gave you yesterday? I am practically putting it right in LE's faces for them. did you get anything? his name is Xxxx Xxxxxxxxx, he had a "white" Le-mans bought it in Kentucky,it was a 1969-70 special edition. He had a hitch on the back, like I said, primer spots and a smash in the tail-end. At Kristine's drop-off he and another man put pubic hair in Kristine's mouth (i have made mention of this absolute fact before). (not Kristine's own hair), whoever told you that it was Kristine hair off her head is LYING.THIS IS FACT.I will swear it the truth until I croak.And it is fact that Kristine was sexually assaulted,post-mortem,with the end of a snow-scraper handle,Sgt.Anger will disagree with me at this til the cow's come home, oh well to him he's retired now.(this only the killer's would know as well) In the book "Sheep's in skin's and clothing" or whatever that dumb book is called, there states in a chapter a discrepancy over-weather or not,Kristine had been sexually abused, there is truth to that statement in that book that those two from the crime lab, were disagreeing about, there was a reason like"reasoning" would say.. for them adding that into the book that way.This was crucial evidence that women from the crime lab was arguing, then she was forced to agree with the male Dr.and no one cared to follow her opinion, that's a shame, and it was written-off. For starter's Xxxxxx needs to go back into those Dr.s opposite finding's on the girls being sexually molested (ALL OVER AGAIN). Tell him I said that next time you catch him skimming your site for clue's. You need to believe what I am telling you and compromise, I am telling you FACT. No one would know this type of information except the killer himself or someone else who was present when this was done, or someone who was told this information.(like me) I am going to ask you one last time, I want to know if you will work with me?...Quit being cold, and believing I am just a nut-job toying with you. I want you to really consider something, some of what I do know thus far, wasn't dreamed-up,you yourself have to admit you were surprised over me having knowledge to several topic's from past conversation. Helen you are fast- I am slow at corresponding. Don't mistake me. I am very sincere and have been very truthful in all the information I have provided to you,Or any of LE. all of it may NOT have been correct, Or "That's Not The Way It Happened"!! But give me the opportunity to help, and like I tried to bring to the table before maybe,between the two of us,we will have enough in-common-fact that the A.G. office can't deny bringing this in. Farewell and good-luck if I don't hear from you again,I am a big-girl, And "Big Girl's " Don't Cry. take care
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 23, 2013 8:09:13 GMT -5
I have a theory about that flyer that was put into that man's mailbox(Mr. Davis's) where Tim King was dropped-off. One of the abductors/killer's must have worked in a printing shoppe.Or wanted to be sick, and his sick sense of humour put a twist to St.Patrick's Day and Tim's kidnapping/killing. Either that or one of these killer's involved was, or used to be, worked delivering mail, or a paper route, the guy who lays the children out has them within several feet of a "mail-box" or the road/shoulder/ditch. The theories behind this is, that individuals who work for the post office deliver mail at the edge of the street (where a mailbox )most likely sits most of the time, esp. here in Oakland Co. And may have also been in Landscaping - this is usually where grass,leaves,even garbage belong out to the edge of the curb/street, so it is possible this individual worked at a job that required taking waste removal from landscaping, out to the curb by the mailbox ,and subconsciously by doing it this way everytime he murders he disposes of another body, (out of habit) the killer puts the body where he normally puts waste, trash, lawn refuse, and bags of leaves.etc Ordinarily out of his own habit. J Scott
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Post by Mike on Aug 24, 2013 15:47:30 GMT -5
A couple comments regarding your investigation. First, you have amassed an incredible amount of good information. I was 10 years old when these crimes happened and I was terrified by them.
The blue Gremlin, the composite sketch were possibly inaccurate and the news media spewed inaccuracies. (kind of like today but not as many media vehicles like twitter, internet , etc.)
Food for thought:
I bet I have been seen talking to people while standing next to a BMW. I don't own that car. I am not a suspect in anything. The blue Gremlin seems to be innocuous and coincidental.
I bet if these crimes occurred and we had today's technology (social media, security cameras) this would have been solved in very short order.
Jill A was going to Patrick Henry apartments based on the street names that were on the piece of paper. This is 1/4 mile from where I live now. There is a lot of drugs and criminal activity there even today. That part of the story confused me as far as what her connection to the main story was.
Sketch 1 and 3 are Chris Busch. The revised sketch#2 is John. Clearly with hair parted on the side in 70s fashion, no side burns. Why is he being protected??
Have to let this sink in more. I just watched 17 youtubes
Mike
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 24, 2013 20:37:20 GMT -5
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS STORY BY CNN?? Mark Stebbins was 12 when he was abducted in Ferndale on February 15, 1976. His body was found nearly a year later. Jill Robinson was also 12 when she was kidnapped on December 22, 1976. Her body was found four days later. Kristin Mihelich was 10 when she disappeared in Berkley on January 2, 1977, and her body was found later that month. Timothy King was 11 when he vanished in Birmingham on March 16, 1977. His body was found one week later. **** and how about their Title~(CNN) --" Michigan authorities are pursuing a new lead in the case of the infamous Oakland County child killer who abducted and murdered at least four boys "
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