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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 6, 2013 10:38:06 GMT -5
Helen, on the King DVD the former FBI guy stated that Jill's Bike was recovered at Tiny Tim's. This was supposedly where Busch was sighted also. So much for the FBI being a good reference. Sad, very sad how the basic facts get so distorted! Del
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 6, 2013 13:33:45 GMT -5
Mr. King claims in the video that a LeMans was seen by a witness on the opposite side of 75 where Jill was found in the morning of her discovery. Could this be John's mystery small dot on the map? Maybe his lookout spot? David
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 6, 2013 17:09:18 GMT -5
Hey Helen. If he's former FBI, he's entitled to change the facts to which ever way he seems fit. Unfortunately that is the way it is. Bob
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 6, 2013 20:45:02 GMT -5
Helen, I'm curious what LE has told the Robinsons after all these years. Surely they must have been told where the Bike was found. Didn't Mrs Robinson have to come and identify it? We know the Robinsons were the only ones that complained about the investigation back in its day. For the FBI to come out now and make some wild claim that goes against the history of what is known about this case just to support this Busch angle is rather disappointing to say the least. Ken
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 6, 2013 20:48:51 GMT -5
The person making this wild claim of Jill's bike recovery at Tiny Tim's in the video is Bill Beachum. Friend of the King family. Former LAPD and FBI..........Note: lol-lol-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 7, 2013 6:45:57 GMT -5
William Sullivanposted toHelen Dagner 4 hours ago Happy Birthday Helen. Thanks for being out there. William Sullivan Note: Thank you for always remembering my Birthday and The Oakland County Child Murders-We need more people like you in the world!!! Helen
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 8, 2013 0:59:41 GMT -5
Helen,
Happy Birthday! I hope you have a GREAT day!
Greg Thanks Greg,It is not until the 9th...but now that I'm Older -it takes me all week to celebrate it- lol
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 8, 2013 1:03:38 GMT -5
Reviewed the 1978 “suicide” report from Christopher Busch's death.
Several things do not make sense to me, so I thought I would outline them for you, and you could draw your own conclusions.
Time Line Of Events:
On 11-20-1978 at approximately 8:37 a.m. Charles Busch called the Bloomfield Township Police and requested they check on the welfare of his brother Christopher Busch. A Bloomfield Township Police Officer was dispatched via radio and arrived at the Busch home two minutes later.
The Officer met with a maid (Christeen) who had been cleaning for the Busch family every Monday. The maid advised that she could not get into the home, she grew concerned seeing that the news papers were still at the door and the door was latched from the inside. The maid told police she felt something was wrong with Mr. Busch (Chris), so she went to the neighbor's knowing they also had a key to the house. The neighbor called Chris's brother Charles. Charles then called the police. The police arrived at 8:39 a.m., Charles arrived at the residence at 9:00 a.m. Charles attempted to gain entry into his parent's home, his efforts failed. The police officer then force entry into the home.
The officer on scene then allowed Charles Busch to enter the home with him, after all this was “just a welfare check”. The report reads that the officer and Charles then went right up stairs and found Chris Busch in his bed, dead, a 22 cal rifle by his side. The officer writes that he was “obviously dead + for some time (3 or 4 days). The report reads that Chris was laying in the bed face up. Victim had an apparent gunshot wound to the head. A rifle was found next to the victim, pointing at his head. The report did not indicate where on the head the bullet wound was, no did it indicate the position of Chris's hands or arms. The report did not indicate if Chris was dress, in his PJ's or in the buff. Additional officers were then summoned to the residence.
The police report indicates that a check of the home inside and out found that all the doors and windows had been locked from the inside, except the door from the garage, it was standing open. But the outside overhead doors were closed.
As I reviewed this report, I had several questions. I could see the maid being some what concerned, the home was locked. This was 1978, WHO LOCKED THEIR DOOR!! Especially in the affluent neighbor hood where the Busch's lived in Bloomfield Township. The maid later told the police that she and Chris were “good friends”, they kidded each other about things. The maid said that she last saw Chris on 11-13-78 and he was “very happy”. The maid DID NOT SAY that Chris was down, moody, or “dispondant” when she last saw him.
The maid went to a neighbor's house who also had a key to the home. The neighbor did not go to the house with the key, or try to assist the maid in gaining entry into the home, he instead called Chris's brother Charles. Charles Busch then immediately called the police. According the the police report, Charles had not seen his brother for three weeks, yet Charle's wife Nancy spoke with Chris only four days prior and they discussed Thanksgiving plans. According the police report, Nancy stated there was no indications that Chris was “despondent” at that time.
Chris Busch was 27 years old at the time of his death, he often traveled. Why was Charles so immediately concerned. Has no one ever locked all their doors and exited out the garage? Has no one ever forgotten to stop the news paper, or forgotten to pick papers off the step for a day or two?
The police spoke with a personal friend of the family. He stated he talked with Chris a earlier in the week and his wife talked to Chris on 11-16-78. Neither noted any concern for Chris's well being,“he seemed fine at the time”.
he maid went to a neighbor's house who also had a key to the home. The neighbor did not go to the house with the key, or try to assist the maid in gaining entry into the home, he instead called Chris's brother Charles. Charles Busch then immediately called the police. According the the police report, Charles had not seen his brother for three weeks, yet Charle's wife Nancy spoke with Chris only four days prior and they discussed Thanksgiving plans. According the police report, Nancy stated there was no indications that Chris was “despondent” at that time. Chris Busch was 27 years old at the time of his death, he often traveled. Why was Charles so immediately concerned. Has no one ever locked all their doors and exited out the garage? Has no one ever forgotten to stop the news paper, or forgotten to pick papers off the step for a day or two? The police spoke with a personal friend of the family. He stated he talked with Chris a earlier in the week and his wife talked to Chris on 11-16-78. Neither noted any concern for Chris's well being,“he seemed fine at the time”. The report states “Task Force was notified at 10:45 a.m. John Davis and Ron Pierce came to the scene. Is that the Bloomfield Township Suicide Prevention Task Force or the OCCK Task Force? Does the Task Force get notified after every suicide? And if it was the OCCK Task force why did they not use the suspected suicide to get a search warrant and tear the house apart. If Chris Busch was ever a viable suspect in the OCCK case, his death just handed the police the golden ticket to put a microscope on his life and in his house. The report notes that Friday-Monday's paper's were found on the porch. Charles Busch brought in the mail, not date stamp information was given on the mail. The Thursday Edition of the Newspaper was found in the living room, opened up to the movie guide.(Sounds pretty dispondant to me!!!) The police spoke with Chris's former employer. Chris quit a job in order to pursue a new job.(Sounds really dispondant and lost to me). The police talked to Chris's dad, Lee. And according the the report I have reviewed, only verified that Chris was going to start his new job on 11-20-78. They did not ask or document any information as to how Chris was doing emotionally, financially, or how long they had been in England. The icing on the cake. The police spoke with the Probation Officer from Oakland County. The probation officer told the police that Chris may have been dispondant over the four cases against him and may have committed suicide because of it. OH MY GOD!!! The probation officer did not say that he saw Chris, not did he have any first hand information that Chris was “dispondant”. Their was the co-worker who said that Chris showed her some scars on his wrists and talked about how he tried to attempt suicide two years ago. The co worker stated that Chris seemed to be joking about the who thing and did not at any time indicate that he might attempt suicide again. The co-worker was quite surprised when she heard of his death. Did the police every check out this “attempted suicide”. Did
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 8, 2013 1:12:40 GMT -5
*This is printed on Department Of State Police Stationary-It is the Laboratory Report-Evidence reportedly placed in Firearms Locker-on 12/22/78 at 10:30 AM-Evidence removed from Locker on 12/26/78 at #:00 AM by Robert H. White-Reference-Suicide-Victim -Christopher Busch-Evidence Recived:-1-.22 L.R. caliber Squires Bingham {K-Mart} Model 20,semiautomatic rifile serial #23-891528-Tag#6040 attached.-1-Pressure sealed plastic bag,containing:-1-Lead bullet.-Marked #1 by Undersigned.------1 Coin envelope containing:-1.22 {L.or LR.-Caliber"F"-fired cartridge case-{Marked #2 by undersigned{F}-----1"prin t} envelope,containing:--!-.22 {L.or LR caliber "F" fired cartridge case-Marked # 3 by undersigned}-1-"Print " evelope,containing:-!-.22 {L.or LR calibber "F" fired cartridge case {Marked #4-by Undersigned}.---1"Print " envolope,containing:-1-,22{L.o r LR} caliber "F" fired cartridge case-{Marked #5 by undersigned--------1-"Pri nt envelope containing-10-,22LR caliber "F" caridge{3 used for test}---RESULTS OF EXAMINATION:--The one {1} metal jacket lead bullet{ Item #1}and the {4}{L or LR} caliber "F" fired cartridge cases --{Item #2 thru 5} are identified as having been fired in the -,22 L.R. caliber Squires Bingham {K-Mart},Model 20,semiautomatic rifle Serial #23-891528. Robert H. White-Laboratory Specialist-1/19/79-Long Gun File-*NOTE-ALL THOSE MIS SPELLED WORDS ARE IN THE REPORT~LOL-However I probably would have spelled them the same way
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 9, 2013 0:48:05 GMT -5
We have not decided yet what Law Enforcement Agency,we will be turning the Info over to,but we will a sure you,that it will reach one that is going to act on it--I do want to personally thank everyone who came forward,and trusted us with this Information,personally,I was even loosing faith that these cases would ever be solved,However you have given us new hope, and you have done the "RIGHT THING"! God Will Bless You For This!!!
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 9, 2013 7:33:58 GMT -5
Happy Birthday and best of wishes to you, Helen. Hope it's a beautiful day for YOU!!!! Sincerely, Kathy NOTE: It sure is starting out to be and a very busy one! Thanks for remembering. Helen
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 9, 2013 7:48:13 GMT -5
To Serialkillerfacts03@yahoo.com Oct 8 at 8:49 PM Hello helendagner,
We at Crime Case Files would like to wish you a happy birthday today!
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 9, 2013 17:11:49 GMT -5
Robert Southwood posted on your timeline "happy birthday" Note Thanks Robert,lol--I still do not know how to reply on FB...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 10, 2013 5:12:14 GMT -5
Ok-I think I now have my Yahoo files straighten out (as of 10 min. ago) But since I am totally exhausted from the en tier ordeal -not to mention,these Occk cases are sucking the life right out of myself and others...I have got to take a break from this Insanity! I have no Idea -If that will be hours-Days-Weeks...or what ever.....
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 17, 2013 4:41:59 GMT -5
At present I am receiving about 100 to 110 email posts a day for Occk Feedback- I have read some of them-I have kept all of them,However I can tell you right now-the majority I will not be running on the site-The place you should be posting these is at Topix,my readers are a cut above,the low level type of discussions that you are presenting,we are not interested in these 5th grader debates,that are posted by people who make up different screen names daily and really know nothing about these cases,but still think they are clever enough to fool us- I do not know how many times I have said this,I am not interested in your posts about the King Family or Patrick the polygrapher,or Les or Ursula,or Brass Tacks or the other screen names that they use at Topix--I am only interested in Facts,I do not mind running some ones theory,if you keep it in the realm of reality. With that said,If you do not see your post and it is within our guide lines,it is only because I am including that subject in my new series of Oakland County Child Serial Child Murders Videos.
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