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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 19, 2013 4:43:04 GMT -5
Helen, What do you make of the recent activity on the warrants of Frank Shelden and Dyer Grossman? The third part of the court docket information, Events, indicates recent activity on the warrants; i.e., a possible “nolle pros,” a nolle prosecution? I’ve heard of nolo contendere in criminal cases, but with my limited experience in state criminal cases, I am not at all familiar with this term. You asked JJ if they dropped the charges on these two guys-I don't think so as the file #4 which is the last file on this - -"The last entry says they were filed back in open warrants."
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 19, 2013 11:34:19 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 19, 2013 11:43:46 GMT -5
Helen, I'm sure there is something somewhere on the hiring of Wasser by B&B, but I don't know where. However, Burgess represented Busch at the time Wasser poly'd Busch. Wasser was very tight with B&B.Xxxx
Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:23 AM * Note:I did my best to find out about this-but there doesn't seem to be any proof -anywhere-If anyone out there can verify this--Just send it to me--
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 19, 2013 11:46:24 GMT -5
Helen, Thank You for Sharing Mike Stebbins story with us,I enjoyed it and seeing his photo,as I have not seen much of the Mark Stebbins family in the News Media. Ken
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Post by mbk on Jul 19, 2013 14:47:45 GMT -5
Attorney David Burgess will be representing Bill Shaffer in federal court. David is the sone of Jane Burgess, who represented Chris Busch. Jane was best friends with Jessica Cooper back in the 70's. Lawfirm of Burgess & Burgess is 535 N. Griswold, Detroit - the same address of James Feinberg, the attorney who represented Larry Wasser.
So, begs the question - just how did Shaffer find B&B to represent him? or, did B&B reach out to Shaffer?
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 19, 2013 15:22:43 GMT -5
I'm bringing up a lot of the older posts and re-posting them in the Index Page (under the heading-Oakland County Child Killer-1976-2013) We have so many new readers and they say they can not find anything on this site that they are looking for....I can not either-so I go to Google and Type in the subject----then add Helen Dagner--and it will come up-we have millions of post on google-and they can not list them all-but typing in as I mention above-will trigger there search for the items you are looking for---good luck!
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 19, 2013 15:37:53 GMT -5
Many Feedback posts on why we do not post the photos of the suspects from back in 1976-77----Well we have a couple of reasons-We are not sure that is a good Idea---as maybe when the cops get the energy,they may want to use the photos for some type of line up--and if we do this and post their names--some people may do like they do everything else--adopted the photos of someone they are sure they saw before-so that would take away from and ID of the suspect...and another reason-is we are the only ones who have photos from back in the 76-77 time span--and we may want to use them for when there is an arrest...so we realy do not need every news media in the Metro area picking them up and run with them like they did with Busch and Gunnel,Green and others-and then run a lame story that we would never be able to correct as the news medias -never say sorry to the public when they mis -lead them...they just ignore it and go on to what they believe is the next big story-and they get away with that-that is why so many people think they know who the Occk is---because they read or heard it in the media--and they sure wouldn't put out false info-would they?? You bet your sweet A$$ they would--they have been doing it for 37 years in these Occk cases..
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 19, 2013 21:32:52 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 20, 2013 23:30:35 GMT -5
Someone Out There Knows Something About These Child Murders,What Will It Take For YOU To Come Forward ? People Are Waiting To Negotiate With You~Right Now! *Call 231-881-3247- Bingotank@aol.com »
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 21, 2013 4:09:42 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 21, 2013 5:03:41 GMT -5
Helen, I was just thinking,I know you gave the cops a lot of "stuff" and you didn't even get copy's back from them,so how would one protect them self,so that they retained ownership of the item? Matt Note: You can not protect your property once you give it to Law Enforcement,their like a bunch of vultures,they just scruff up anything they can get. I am so regretting giving them all the drawings that John made in these cases-I could never even get a copy back on Jills bike,that John drew leaning up against the tree,nor could I get a copy back of Marks drop off site,where John had drawn the Dumpster and X it in the exact location of Marks body, nor the drawing he did of the tree covered road up to Danto's that matched the exact number of trees and other things connected to Danto....I still don't know if they still have these or did they get lost? -or did someone take them home to keep until they wrote their book?
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 22, 2013 7:00:18 GMT -5
Helen, If I call that phone number on the front of your site ,can it be traced? Jon *Note: No it is just a toss away phone...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 22, 2013 7:05:11 GMT -5
Helen, will you be recording the phone calls? Paul *Note: No,recording them for what and who?? You have been watching to much TV...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 22, 2013 7:09:35 GMT -5
Helen, If I call you do I have to talk to the Cops? Jeff *Note: Why would you,they are not at all interested in these cases. However,If you think they mite be interested in what you have to say...then you should be calling them,don't you think? I don't think people realize-If a cop wants to talk to you,you don't have to talk to them....
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 22, 2013 10:06:15 GMT -5
What about the Info you found out on Mike Stebbins parents. Sue Note: I know your waiting for it so you can move on with your book- But the part about Ruth's life was so upsetting to me,I had to set it a side for a couple of days,it is just so sad-and I need to stay in good spirits so that I can take care of getting the info ready for my meetings-as I feel this is the last chance we have coming up to get Law Enforcement to take another good look at these cases...
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