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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 23, 2013 6:23:44 GMT -5
Helen, just don't tell us it's not true,tell us why you think that. Ron * Note: I will in different postings but not right now,I'm on my way to Bed
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 23, 2013 6:28:48 GMT -5
Helen, why do you not put all of the one days Feedback post on one page? It drives me crazy when I have to back track to the prior page as that is were the best posts are.Jack * Note: Whatever?? I can only do it that way ...unless I would start a new thread for each day...and I don't see that happening anytime soon...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 24, 2013 0:20:59 GMT -5
Hi Helen, I have been to your site twice and my computer freezes then shuts down. Is there a possibility that someone is messing with you? It was when I was reading about Patrick. You know just because JH didn't tell you everything does not mean he wasn't involved in these killings. No serial killer on earth has ever told everything. They always hold back. It is control. So he's still in this and most people know it too. Xxxx * I have really high security on my site,so if someone has a virus on their site and click on-The site will not let you enter -until they block your Bug
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 24, 2013 1:22:23 GMT -5
Helen,I use to be a member of that Old Yahoo Group That Kevin Ran (Into The Ground) I laugh every time I read the Posts that He and Les were posting and at the time I thought they were all the truth,but boy did I get an awakening when I started to check out the things he would say about you and John. No wonder he Kdogg doesn't show his self on the Internet any more. I would like to meet him and Les face to face so I could confront them about all their BS that they fed us.I want to personally say Thank you for sticking to the true facts and not backing down! I would like to say to Kevin and Les, so you think John gave Helen information he found in newspapers and the Wolf book, looks like you and the newspapers and the Book were wrong and so were the cops! Here is just one of his posts. Xxxxxx
Hey Holly, good questions. Keep asking them. I'll see if i can help answer some of your questions. First, I would suggest looking over as many old posts as you can, if you havent already done so. Check out Helen's site and join the yahoo occk group. There is a lot of info at the yahoo site.
Ok you asked about police not looking into Helen's "John" and Susan's brother. I think I can shed some light on this. A few months ago I began reading old Detroit news papers from 1976 and 1977. Its very strange so read a story one day and see it changes the next. Nothing was reported about Jill Robinson as a posible victim untill the day before she turned up dead. Then the news reported that she was killed while she tried to escape. Then they reported that she laid in the snow and was shot. The news paper also reported what she was wearing, what she had in her bookbag, and witness statements. Let me tell you, everything Helen said that Jill was wearing that day is right. It was reported in the news, every detail. Also the news posted other composite drawings of the suspect. Untill a few years ago all I saw was one sketch.
The police didnt really start working together untill the Tim King case. All the kids were abducted in one city and dropped off in another. 8 different police departments plus wayne and oakland county sheriff and state police didnt start working together untill right around the time Tim was taken. And even then they still held information back from eachother. Even checking on the same tips 2 or 3 times. Then the murders stopped. When these murders accured, crazy people came out of the woodwork. People confessed to being the killer at different police departments. The police received thousands of tips. "The killer is my neighbor" "The killer is my school teacher" "The killer is my priest" and so on. One person even showed up during Jill's funeral claiming to be the killer. Ransom calls were placed to Kristines mom. To this day detectives still get calls claiming to know who the killer is and why. Unless you show up in their office with pictures of the dead kids, they are not gonna do anything. The police have chased to many false leads and came up with the same story, this guys not the killer. If today was 1977 and Les and Susan told the police what they know, then they would look into their claims. Otherwise there better be a lot of evidence before the police will take a look. And to be honest with you, all we have are little things that point to him maybe being the killer.
When I first started looking into this case I came up with almost 7 different suspects. Looking into all these suspects I have ruled out all but 2. "John" and "Susans Brother".
More in a minute. Email: krundel@twmi.rr.com
kdogg
Dec 8th, 2004 - 9:33 PM Re: Holly asked.....................
I then began looking into Helen's claims about John. I did find a lot of the things John said to be found in the old news papers. I recently read "Wolf in SHeep's Clothing" and found some more of the things John said to be in this book. And I found that some info that John gave to be false. While looking into John I found that he has been traveling around the country using different names and ssn's. I still consider him a suspect because there is something really strange about this guy and his family.
The police did visit Helen in Alpena about John. That is true. From what I've been told John did pass at least 2 lie detector tests. The police put more faith into this test than I do. The detective was given some of JOhn's hair, by Helen, to test against DNA evidence found on Tim's body. Helen stated that the detective threw this hair out the window on the drive back from Alpena. I believe the only witness to this has passed away. That Detective is also the same detective that SUsan and Les contacted 2 years ago. That detective believes that David Norberg was the killer. I've talked to the Norberg family and checked into the evidence that this detective has reported to the press. I have found most if not all of the evidence to be a stretch of the truth. I do not believe David Norberg was the killer. I belive that this detective tried to make people think that he was the killer so the family could have some closure. I believe that when this case is solved that the Norberg family will sue this detective.
I contacted this detective about Helen. He was kind enuff to tell me what he thought about her suspect. I then asked about SUsan and Les. He told me that he was aware of them and that there are better suspects out there. That was the end of the conversation. I then started looking into Susan and Les and I found out some info that they were not aware of. I then went from police dept to police dept. Finally I found one detective involved in the case that would listen. We talked for hours and he thought that there was enuff evidence to do a simple boco swobe test. He knew the detective I talked about previously. They have been on a few flights together around the country testing other suspects DNA. The detective also told me that I gave him more to go on than the info given on the other suspects that they flew out to test. He spoke to the detective. He called me back and said for me to call the first detective back and they would do a DNA test. I called im back. He had no idea who Susan and Les were. As I told him about the info that I told the 2nd detective, he placed his hand on the phone and began talking to someone else. He wasnt listening to me. I asked him about doing the DNA test and he told me that a DNA test cost about $2000 and he wasnt gonna do one. I told him that we would pay for the test and he said no, there's a 3 year back log anyway. He then told me that he KNEW the killer took pictures of the kids and that I should go and get those pics and bring them to him. At this time I told him about Susans brother having these pictures of young boys and girls that were taken at a cabin up north. The pictures were of a naked girl about 13 locked in a room in the cabin with the windows boarded up in the back round. The brother was envolved in some questionable child "things" with his former boss. How was a priest. The priest in question has been arested in a different city and found guilty of having pictures of naked girls and boys. I believe that these pics could be the ones that SUsans brother had. I contacted the police department who has these pics. He will only release the evidence to another detective, not some dumb kid whos into serial killers or reporters. Detectives only. The chief is not aware of occk and would not know what the children look like. SO here's the problem. The chief will only give the pics to the detective in charge. The detective in charge wont call him, and told me to go get the pics and bring them to him.
When I called back the detective that has been very helpfull to him, he stated that he called the other detective to hear what he thought about my evidence. that detective told him that he checked into all my info and it came up false. That detective never heard a word I said. That detective was talking to someone else while I tried to tell him what I knew. That detective never called the chief to check out the pics. That detective has thrown away evidence that may have proved John was the killer. That detective has told lies in the press about the killer and his family. There is difently something wrong with this detective. Has for the helpfull detective. he has agreed to bypass this detective and interview Susan and Les in person. I really hope that this detective finally checks out the info and finds out once and for all if Susans brother was the killer or not. Thats all we want. Email: krundel@twmi.rr.com
kdogg
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 24, 2013 12:37:02 GMT -5
Helen, Thank You so much for posting news about Kris,I knew there must be lots of things about Kris that we have never heard and the fact that she was held for 19 days,really seems important to me. Your doing such a great Job. Donna
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 24, 2013 12:40:35 GMT -5
To all that have asked...yes I'm still taking Information however you do know I have NO legal powers,so you mite want to give it to the cops...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 24, 2013 12:47:56 GMT -5
Hi Helen,
I just read the Danto letter from Allen on your site. Although a Viet Nam veteran, Allen claims to be beaten and whipped by fellow vet Frank??? Give me a break. Isn’t Allen a big boy and free to leave? There are too many sounds of desperation and intentionally misspelled words within the letter. It may have been written to throw police off from the real killer or someone (possibly the real killer) playing games with Danto. Since Kristen’s body was dumped off on Bruce Lane, it could very well have been written by the killer. However, aren’t there some who think Danto wrote this letter himself?
Where is the actual letter now? If available, can they get fingerprints off of it? *Note- The Prosecutors Office has the letter in their files-BOB wanted info on this and they turned him down-He asked for just the mailing Zip Code-but they don't give that type of Info out to anyone-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 24, 2013 12:50:56 GMT -5
Ken, don’t know which funeral home did Mark’s service. My *guess* would be Spaulding and Curtain on 9 mile in Ferndale , that seemed to be the usual when the locals passed away.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 24, 2013 12:54:17 GMT -5
Helen, Do you think it’s possible Hastings and this Anderson guy knew each other?Matt * Note: Well anything is possible but I never found a connection~
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 24, 2013 12:56:55 GMT -5
So Helen,were is this case at now. Tim Note: At Ground Zero...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 24, 2013 13:00:02 GMT -5
Helen, do you have a photo of Kris Mom? JJ Note: Try This
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 24, 2013 13:04:14 GMT -5
You know, they said they matched the DNA hairs to their main suspects DNA with no success. They even said suspects not known to the general public (which would include Hastings) did not match and I assume they included Hastings DNA from the swab obtained in Atlanta. IMO, these hairs may be just another piece in the puzzle. Those hairs do not necessarily mean that hair IS the killer’s does it? Certainly someone close to the killer but not 100% for sure the killer. Is this correct or am I missing something? James Note: It means what ever they want it to-IMO it means nothing~
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 24, 2013 13:06:22 GMT -5
The girl friend that turned John in back in 77-Her Interview with Birmingham PD
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 24, 2013 13:13:48 GMT -5
This is what Kris went out to buy on the Day of her abduction
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 24, 2013 13:32:05 GMT -5
Helen, what is taking so long to solve these cases? Ron *Note: These cases move at the speed of glaciers. I've never seen anything quite like it....
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