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Post by Helen Dagner on May 13, 2013 18:19:44 GMT -5
Helen, I do not get you,one time you are siding with Cathy over something she posts or writes and then when something comes up about Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica Cooper,your right there in her corner,that is a little strange to me,how can you do that? Jack *note You of all people Jack should know I have a mind of my own and I always say what I think and it always comes right from my heart and my gut feeling...I always recognize anyone that does a good job and I never appreciate anyone who doesn't do the same,just because you don't agree with some things a person does,does not mean you disagree with everything they do-look,I really believe that the best chance of having any resolve in these cases,is to let Jessica handle it-she is not involved in any type of cover up and she sure is not going to create one,she wants these cases solved just as much as the families and the public do-she is the sharpest knife in the drawer-she is not going to take these cases to court until she feels they should be there and one thing we should all realize-it isn't Jessica that keeps screwing up-it is the Investigators and she would not even be aware of the tricks they are pulling-I'm sure no one takes anything to her,unless they have evidence and here in -is the problem,it is the investigators that are feeding the families and the public all the crap, and the News Media it will run with anything,just mention the Occk and they are off and running like they have a new break through-when in fact it is the same old recyclable BS that we have been reading for years-The way to solve crimes is to get out there and talk to people -New people! This re reading old reports and putting the current LE's stamp of approval on them,is not going to solve anything! It is alright to read a report and then revisit witness,and get their current statements-but to just read the report and do nothing about it-does not make and Investigation! Nine chances out of ten,the old report does not reflex what the person saw or heard,and it is a proven fact-that these old witnesses will have info that they didn't tell the cops back in the day and now 36 yrs later are ready too talk...and no they are not going to seek out the cops-they are waiting for the cops to find them!
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 13, 2013 18:28:47 GMT -5
You know most of the feedback I get in has a connection to Topix,how many times have we been through this? Nothing is ever going to change over there as your dealing with a lot of really lost soles,who are just seeking attention,that they can not get any where else-I will have to think on if I will run any of the Topix comments- Your best bet is to go over there and post the stuff you send to me,if enough people do this,maybe a few of the morons will get the Idea,of what you really think of them,as for the moderator-I haven't a clue who it is and don't care-generally speaking-I would say it is a person so deceptive,that has no life,lol how dumb do they think any of us are -that we can't see them changing the judges mark,who has that time to hit a mark 17 times,and we all know they could never reach 17 readers on even a good day-lol
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 15, 2013 4:27:40 GMT -5
helen you said that you knew of a serial killer named "john" that i could read about online. obviously john is a common name and there are many johns in the crime library. so, do you know his last name? i'm just an ordinary person that enjoys doing research on my pc. today i am researching antique picture frames. did you fix your problems with your pc? BB Note:
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 15, 2013 4:36:25 GMT -5
Helen,I'm not sure whether or not you want to do this but if you give me just his initials, I can give you a list of all the kids from the time period who attended Brother Rice with the same initials. This way, I don't really know the name. For the year they graduated, I can also give you their address at the time. If and when you want to take it any further I have access to a Brother Rice alumni directory and could find his most recent reported current address by the individual, as well. Helen, I have no motive other than to see this guy caught!; even though it would be most embarrassing for the school, its students and alumni if he had indeed attended BR. If you don't want to do this, that's ok. I understand that you may want to keep things "close to the vest" as possible. Thanks. Keep up the great work. Xxxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 15, 2013 4:40:26 GMT -5
Helen, I have some questions. 1) Did John and David Norberg really work together at Biffs? I thought I read that in one of the posts. Where was Biffs? I forgot. 2) Did Mark Stebbins mom know John? 3) Is John a suspect in the water tower accident? I vaguely recall that incident as a youngster but will ask my buddy if he remembers anything. 4) Will John speak with you any longer or not? I know the sister doesn't want you speaking with John. Too bad, IMO. I think you should call him again. Thanks.Xxxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 15, 2013 4:44:30 GMT -5
Helen, John was not the only one not smiling. There were lots of kids in the yearbook who weren't (perhaps 50% or more). I think it was just the times where kids tried the "serious" look approach. I'm not smiling either and I was a happy camper. The JV baseball picture was taken in John's sophomore year (spring of 1965) so he would have been 15 and ½ years old. He's not in the junior year varsity team picture (spring of 1966) so I'm guessing he left the team by then. Dean
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 15, 2013 4:46:55 GMT -5
Helen, Just for the record, there were a lot of Brians at BR and a lot of dads who were auto execs. McNaught had a younger brother, Tom who garduated from BR a year or two later. I can't be 100% sure but I think he too, was homosexual. The dad, Waldo used to play golf at Bloomfield Hills CC. I think he was GM exec. Xxxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 15, 2013 4:49:16 GMT -5
Hi Helen, Am I imagining reading that John had Jill Robinson's father phone number? If yes, why wold he have it? Also, any guesses as to his possible connections to Jill, Mark Stebbins and Kristine Mihelich? Perhaps he knew these kids from working at Biffs? Also, I know John was a dishwasher and tried a passport business. Do you know of any other jobs he performed? Tim
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 15, 2013 4:54:09 GMT -5
Helen, I take his initiating the update call to me as a very positive sign, as well as the words he told me over the phone which sounded very sincere. Again, I am coming up with a binder of information (from your message board and emails to me) that I will present to him when we meet. I will be asking for some more information as the month progresses. Jim
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 15, 2013 4:56:38 GMT -5
Helen, What age group are you looking for? John's age group (late 50's?). Can I ask how he may be involved with the OCCK? If that's private, I understand. Just curious. Ray
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 15, 2013 5:02:47 GMT -5
Helen, Looks like your out of luck~• TENNEY, James Mack, died on Friday, Sept. 7, 2007, at the age of 89 in Knoxville. He was born Jan. 27,1918, in Tallmansville, W.Va., the son of the late Fred and Julia Bell Tenney. He graduated from Buckhannon Upshur High School, attended Glenville State Teachers College and taught elementary school in Upshur County and vocational education at Buckhannon Upshur High School. He served as scoutmaster of troop 138 in Buckhannon, W.Va. After service in the U.S. Marine Corps in World War II, he joined Ford Motor Company in Detroit, Mich., as an instructor in its training school and a marketing division analyst. He graduated from Wayne State University in Detroit with a Bachelor of Science degree in 1946, a master’s in education in 1946, and a Master of Business Administration in 1948. He joined American Motors in Detroit rising to general sales manager of the Kelvinator Appliance Division. While general sales manager of Kelvinator, it won the National Product Design of the Year for new appliance design. In addition, he was a board member of the National Association of Appliance Manufacturers, National Association of Furniture Manufacturers and National Retail Furniture Association. Following the sale of Kelvinator, he moved to Knoxville in 1967 as president and CEO of Sterchi Brothers, Inc., a New York Exchange Company of 55 furniture stores in the Southeast. Following the sale of Sterchi Brothers, he purchased eight furniture-manufacturing companies and in 1970 formed Dorset Corporation of Louisville, Ky., where he was president and chairman of the board. He sold Dorset in 1986 and retired. In Knoxville, he had been a director of The Church Street Methodist Church and The Webb School of Knoxville and was a member of Cherokee Country Club. He was preceded in death by wives, Lalah Shockey Tenney and Patricia Fleming Tenney; sons, Burtt Barton Tenney of Detroit, and Terry F. Tenney of Warren, Ohio; and daughter, Sally Tenney of Buckhannon, WV; and four sisters, Eva Grace Campbell of Buckhannon, Virginia Hirsch of Meyersdale, Pa., Madge Riggs of Tallmansville and Vonda W. King of Cleveland, Ohio. He is survived by wife, Barbara Kirk Tenney of Knoxville; son and daughter-in-law, James and Debbie Tenney of Atlanta, Ga.; daughter and son-in-law, Linda and Donnie DiBacco of Warren, Ohio; sister, Verma Campbell of Buckhannon; seven grandchildren; and four great-grandchildren. Funeral service was Sunday at Rose Mortuary Mann Heritage Chapel with the Rev. William J. Fowler and the Rev. Cabel W. Trent officiating. Burial will be at Woodlawn Cemetery in Wayne County, Mich. In lieu of flowers, the family requests that memorials be made to the American Heart Association, 4708 Papermill Road, Knoxville, TN 37909. The family received friends Sunday at Rose Mortuary Mann Heritage Chapel. ( Everyone is going to be dead,before this case goes any where)SID
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 16, 2013 9:02:33 GMT -5
Hi Helen, Just catching up as I have been in meetings all day today. Boy, I am really receiving an LE education from you! I did not know that about a confession but it makes sense because there are a lot of kooks out there. If John were to confess wouldn't he have some evidence of his own? Ken
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 16, 2013 9:08:29 GMT -5
Helen,I would appreciate your deleting my emails or at least modifying them so they are not so specific to myself. I have no problems with you using the pictures I sent you on your website, just the emails; unless I know ahead of time they are going to be used. I hope you understand my concerns. I do appreciate your efforts and hard work with the site and crusade to find the OCCK. Thanks. Ben
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 16, 2013 9:12:11 GMT -5
Helen, Why doesn't John email you back and deny the allegations or insist he was putting you on, if that's the case. How did it end with John and you? Rob Note: He quit talking to me on the phone after the cops flew out to Atlanta to interview him once again...
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 17, 2013 2:54:41 GMT -5
Helen,
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