Post by Helen Dagner on May 22, 2011 22:36:17 GMT -5
I haven't any time to post on this tonight-as I have to go though my loose paper files to make sure everything is accurate-but since Rick and I were just talking about the Passport...I will tell you this-as it seems so strange-How many people do any of you know--that have two passports and who carry them on their body 24 hours a day-everyday???-When you have a very large apt...and a Shoebox office...that you could have placed them in,,,,
Post by Helen Dagner on May 23, 2011 14:03:09 GMT -5
I never knew what to make of this-I had written a very long letter to John-out lining how I thought he should go about confessing to law enforcement and telling him-I would make sure his daughter would live near him -If he should go to prison-and then I told him I would make sure that he always had money in his prison account-but that he really needed to do this as God demands this---and he never told anyone about the letter, by this time he was living at Scotts shelter, there were lots of guys there that liked John, plus he had a spiritual adviser and both John and I were friends of the local minister who stopped by Scotts several times a day-Now it just seems to me-that he would have said something to someone about that letter-like even-boy she is a nut case!...However he never even mention it to his family-nor to the cops who came to interview him....
Post by Helen Dagner on May 23, 2011 14:38:28 GMT -5
At one time John told me the number 555 would mean a lot to these cases-I can remember that my entire site team was working endlessly on this-and we did find a few things-like a mental health group that Danto and McKinney were connected to -but I dismissed them all-because I thought I was looking for a building that had an elevator that went up to the second floor,where a savings and loan business was located as John had told me a story about how the S&L had gotten in trouble and when he got off the elevator one day-there were so many flashing cameras and TV & Radio & Newspaper Reporters...He thought they had come for him--Years and years later I was viewing Chris Busch' autopsy report and when I saw that it was number 555...I still didn't think to much of it-but then I had remember that name from a conversation that John and I had-about the guy he knew that had committed suicide on the same day as my husband only 5 yrs earlier...and it would turn out that he lived a hop- skip and jump from John...wow!
Post by Helen Dagner on May 23, 2011 14:51:06 GMT -5
When John was in Alpena I found out he was a window peeker so when I had coffee with my Lt. friend -I said what do you think of that-does it confirm serial killer?...He said well Helen not all Window Peekers are serial killers-however all Serial killers have window peek...
Post by Helen Dagner on May 23, 2011 15:13:43 GMT -5
When John first started mentioning The Oakland County Child Killer cases to me up in Alpena-He always talked in the 3rd person-So when I asked him my first questions-I said-well who do you think killed these kids? He said a Cult...I just about lost it-I was laughing so hard-I guess because he wanted to talk about Cults-to me a small town girl? Give me a break!...So I asked the next question. Well how did they get the kids in the car? He said a simple snatch & grab...I told him I didn't know what he ment-so he showed me....I can remember saying to him-this story is going to have to get better...Pu-lease a simple snatch and grab? John you have got to be kidding me,in broad daylight? He explained to me-it goes so fast...no one catches it-it is a lot like a purse snatching-only tool require strong wrist...well he sort of got my attention then-as John had really big wrists-just like my Dentist-but I said you would think the Oakland County Child Killer would be a lot more creative..John mumble something...but I didn't catch it....this time....
Post by Helen Dagner on May 24, 2011 11:42:47 GMT -5
In one of your emails you had asked something about John knowing Mr. King...Well I believe he was absolutely fixated on Mr. king...as he was always mentioning him...and the one night I lied to him and said I was meeting Mr King & his daughter at the Big Boy in Alpena ...and he was welcome to join us...was the first night John never showed up for coffee with me...and wouldn't you know it was the night the Birmingham Police were in the restaurant waiting to observe him.....the next day I asked him why he didn't show up...and as he walked across the room he said...he would have recognized me! it was a Freudian slip...
Post by Helen Dagner on May 24, 2011 11:57:40 GMT -5
Helen, I based what I said about Mr. King on what you had previously told me. Due to John's reluctance to meet with Mr. King I have to think John and Tim knew each other previously. . My guess is that it is either baseball, a bowling alley or perhaps the slot car place on Woodward (Tiny Tim's).
One thing I haven't told you is that my youngest brother was in Tim King's 6th grade class (Adams Road School?) when he was abducted. It really supplies no extra motive for me or anything, just that my youngest brother was his age and couldn't sleep at night due to all of this. Now, he didn't really know Tim as my family had just moved back to Michigan from Massachusetts (my dad worked for Ford Mo. Co and was transferred a lot). However, I do recall that some of the bowling alleys and Tiny Tims as places my younger brothers used to go to all of the time during the late 60's and mid 70's. Tiny Tims was a REAL popular place for kids; sometimes with their dads because it wasn't within walking distance. That's one possibility. The bowling alleys are of course another. I used to bowl at Strike and Spare at Telegraph and 15 Mile (Maple), Birmingham Bowl and Thunderbird Lanes(Troy). It was popular for kids to spend time at the alleys. Did John ever mention slot cars or bowling to you?
However, my best guess is John knew Tim somehow thru baseball. He may have attended Tim's games (Poppleton Park - 15 Mile and Hunter by Tim's neighborhood?). Perhaps he may have played baseball with him informally (guys would get together and play at a park in those days, even if they didn't know each other). You once mentioned to me that he may have taken Tim to a baseball game. Now, I know John was into baseball. I think I told you that my H.S. friend went to Pistons' games with the Hastings family in the mid-60's but he was friend's of John's brother, Tom at the time. My friend only vaguely recalls John sitting in the front seat of the car with his dad as Tom, my friend and Tom's other buddies sat in the back of the station wagon(?). We are talking over 40 years ago so his memory isn't that sharp and he never saw Tom or any of the other Hastings after 8th grade (spring of 1967).
My hunch is John somehow went to a Detroit Tiger game with Tim the previous summer but that's just wild speculation on my part. We know John liked to attend sporting events. Could John have worked somewhere like a restaurant that Tim and his dad attended? I guess that's possible, as well. They may have had a mutual acquaintance, too, like Spike as we know Mr. King and he were friends. Ted
Post by Helen Dagner on May 24, 2011 23:32:22 GMT -5
Well I have told you all about the Many Nylon Stockings that John had tucked away-in all sizes and colors-but I never told you what was also tucked in with the nylons-a black pull over hood- that would cover the entire head...
Post by Helen Dagner on May 25, 2011 18:51:11 GMT -5
[redacted for a few lines].[John] did qualify this statement by saying he read the book that was given to him by Helen Dagner, "Wolf in Sheeps Cothing," [redacted, redacted][John] stated "I don't know how it came to this point because I had nothing to do with this case at all." [John] mumbled throughout the conversations, but this seems to be his speaking style.[John] adamantly denied any involvement with the case and added it may have been from his numerous contacts with Helen Dagner and his fixation with this investigation.
Due to not wanting to upset [John] by questioning him further in an accusatory manner, AND AFTER REALIZING STEVE DUNCAN'S POLYGRAPH WITH HIM AND HIS WALKING OUT OF THE EXAM VERY UPSET [emphasis added], the undersigned decided not to attack him further but to soften the process."Note:(it may have been from his numerous contacts with Helen Dagner and his fixation with this investigation.)-well I can tell you that when John and I had the conversations-he didn't talk in a way that would leave me to believe he was a serial killer junkie...he talked to me like this was his profession...just like any man would talk about his job....
Post by Helen Dagner on May 26, 2011 19:40:25 GMT -5
You know that John knew about DNA before the cops did-that was told to me by a LT. who had interviewed John-he said John knew in 1964 that dna would be a big deal-the cops didn't find out until in the 1970s-all of this John learned from reading books on forensic-and he had quite the collection-like the book from a specialist from Toronto-it said he could lift finger prints off another persons skin-and get this-this guy came to try and lift prints off Kris-strange that John would have known that this could be done and then it was on an Occk victim--the guy wasn't able to lift any prints off her...
Post by Helen Dagner on May 27, 2011 9:55:49 GMT -5
ASPERGER'S DISORDER: A POSSIBLE EXPLANATION FOR BEHAVIOR OF SUBGROUP OF SERIAL KILLERS?
A series of papers by J. Arturo Silva and colleagues suggests that some serial killers—including Jeffrey Dahmer and Theodore Kaczynski (the "Unabomber")—exhibit evidence of Asperger's disorder (AD), a variant of autism.
Autism is a neurological disorder that severely affects communication, social skills, behavior, and learning. Individuals with AD are far less impaired mentally and socially than other autistic individuals, and often are highly intelligent. Unlike people with autism, individuals with AD exhibit normal language development, although their speech tends to be somewhat eccentric. While very few people with AD are violent, studies do suggest that the prevalence of AD may be elevated in violent criminal populations.
Silva et al. say that Dahmer, convicted of serially killing and cannibalizing young boys, exhibited signs of AD from his earliest years. As a child, he exhibited poor eye contact, displayed facial expressions "devoid of emotional glow," had a rigid body posture and gait, and was isolated, socially inept, and "emotionally disconnected." He also strongly disliked change and was highly ritualistic and obsessive (with his obsessions including the collection of bones and dead animal bodies). All of these traits can be signs of AD.
Silver et al. argue that Dahmer's creation, collection, and utilization of cadavers can be viewed as "a sexualized form of the repetitive behavioral patterns typically encountered in AD." Dahmer's treatment of his victims, they say, is consistent with the fact that individuals with AD have trouble both in "theory of mind" (the understanding that other people have thoughts and feelings) and in distinguishing between people and objects.
Similar patterns, Silva and colleagues say, appear in the history of Kaczynski, who killed three people and wounded dozens by sending them mail bombs. Silva et al. note that Kaczynski was aloof and could not understand the feelings of others. He also exhibited an aversion to being touched and experienced extreme distress when exposed to noise, both common reactions in children with autism. A neighbor described the young Kaczynski as "a child who was an old man before his time," consistent with Hans Asperger's description of his young patients with AD as "little professors," and as an adult, Kaczynski was extremely impaired in social relationships. Kaczynski's preoccupations with bomb-making and the perceived evils of technology, the authors say, can be viewed as typical of the obsessive interests of a person with AD.
Silva et al. say their characterization of a subset of serial killers as having high-functioning autism could lead to a greater understanding of the etiology of both serial homicide and autism. "Psychological phenomena of central importance to understanding serial killers such as deficits in empathy have frequently been explained as originating from a psychopathic core," they say, "thereby missing the possibility that deficits in empathy may also be due to autistic psychopathology."
"A neuropsychiatric developmental model of serial homicidal behavior," J. Arturo Silva, Gregory B. Leong, and Michelle M. Ferrari, Behavioral Sciences and the Law, Vol. 22, 2004, 787-99; and "The case of Jeffrey Dahmer: Sexual serial homicide from a neuropsychiatric developmental perspective," J. Arturo Silva, Michelle M. Ferrari, and Gregory B. Leong, Journal of Forensic Sciences, Vol. 47, No. 6, 2002, 1-13; and "Asperger's disorder and the origins of the Unabomber," J. Arturo Silva, Michelle M. Ferrari, and Gregory B. Leong, American Journal of Forensic Psychiatry, Vol. 24, No. 2, 2003, 5-43. Address for all: J. Arturo Silva, P.O. Box 20928, San Jose, CA 95160, email@example.com. Helen Dagner
I just got this note in on my site-"Also, I was reading yesterday that in the 60s, autism was thought to be caused by the mother, than it was a psychological issue caused by detachment. I can see where a family living in West Bloomfield would be afraid to get help for their son."---you know Johns Mother had what others call a (nerve condition)-and John told me and the mother of his child that his Mother was crazy...
Post by Helen Dagner on May 27, 2011 11:58:53 GMT -5
Ok-When I saw the Dr. about John,it was because I couldn't put my head a round -Johns being able to Remember Kris clothing and all the other details so many years later-and after his having me tell him all I knew about John-He said John had a very rare thing called Eidetic Memory--I can not possibly go thru all these paper notes and type this up-so I went on line and looked it up-I haven't read this Info yet-so I'm hoping it explains it to you. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eidetic_memory
Post by Helen Dagner on May 28, 2011 11:37:57 GMT -5
John had these tapes of nature sounds-I don't know if they were to make him remember...or to forget-The ones that stood out to me-were the running water..and the snow one-where you could hear the sound of - crunching footsteps in the cold snow and in your mind you could see the sparkle of snow in the starlight falling to the ground....