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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 21, 2011 3:17:26 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 21, 2011 3:41:44 GMT -5
I had a lot of emails come in that offered to help in anyway they could--I don't really know how to say this with out hurting your feelings-However time has proven to us-that we can not leave anyone that we don't personally know -inside the loop-as it always comes back to haunt us-right now-there are only 3 people besides my self-who have the inside Info-and that is working very well for us-we do however have several people working on the videos and from time to time we ask in feedback for everyone's help-Just bringing a new person up to date-would be impossible-If you don't have at least 7- 10 years of knowledge about the case-it would just overwhelm you -I want you to know though that I do appreciate your offer...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 21, 2011 17:47:33 GMT -5
Just had a very nice call from Detroit about the Occk Videos,and how the caller thought that Alpena Witness Just sounds so credible ,he was impressed with the way he presented himself,,,and he can not understand why there has not been and arrest of this suspect-as we have convinced him-he is now a believer- Talked for nearly an hour-and he had some good ideas...so I thank you for taking the time to let me know how you felt about this investigation-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 21, 2011 18:58:05 GMT -5
Dear Helen;
After going back and re-evaluating the original drawing at Busch murder/suicide it has been undetermined if the 'JH' initials were in the mouth of Mark's lookalike or not. However this was gong back to the screen capture from the original news coverage which is very low resolution. In hopes of retracing, it has proven to be difficult. It is believed where the 'JH' showed up was from a pic that was provided to you that already had video filtering enhancements done on it where the letters are pronounce but perhaps not truly representative.
We ask that if anyone has a high resolution scan of the drawing without any type of graphic video hampering please send to Helen. We would like to go through video enhancing in steps and see if the results are repeated for ourselves.
Thanks.
Part of the video team
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 21, 2011 23:04:50 GMT -5
Kathleen, No I don't have a problem giving out the maids address from back in 1977,it is a public record-She owned or was buying a house at 34565 Navin Ave Livonia, MI -Hope that helps...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 21, 2011 23:26:44 GMT -5
I have received more than a normal amount of emails asking me -If there is a connection between John and Busch--See what you don't understand is-how can I say there is?...When I don't know and I'm sure not going to guess at if there is or isn't-What you fail to realize -is I am telling you Johns story-as it was told to me-he never mention Chris Busch by name to me-and How I came upon his name-was when I was working on another suspect -and I remembered John told me he had a friend who committed Suicide on the same day only 5 years earlier than my husband-I never gave it another thought until I was talking to Johns Dad in I think 2003 by telephone-and I was talking to him about the Water Tower death and at first he thought I meant his neighbors boy who had committed Suicide-I said what was his name and he said Busch-I explained to him that no I meant Tony-But I wrote the Busch name down and a long time later when I was looking up other Death notices -I remembered that John had told me about this friend of his -So I look it up by the date and it came up Chris Busch and sure enough it was the same date only 5 years before Wally's death-I did nothing with that Info until one of the cops asked me if I had a Chris Busch in my files-I said yes and told him about Wally and there having the same day and month of death...Well John was asked about this in 2008 in Ga at his then Interview and denied knowing anyone by that name or having knowledge of anyone who killed them self-and he added Helen was smart enough to research that and find a match to this Busch and her husbands death-So there you have it-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 22, 2011 16:54:35 GMT -5
Helen, well do you think there is a connection to the Busch's maid? Tim-Note-I really am not able to answer that-as plain and simple-I never had the opportunity to talk to her-I don't think I did-but then I talk to a lot of people-and get a lot of emails-and all through the years-many people have lied to me about who they are-so maybe I have talked with her??? Your guess would be just as good as mine-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 22, 2011 16:58:58 GMT -5
Helen, If Busch and John did know each other then do you think they both were in on the child killings-Ben-Note -I get asked this all the time-I can not be sure-but my gut feeling is NO-as John ,had a plan-and everything -I heard and have read-just points to John---I did a lot of research on Busch-I mean a lot! and nothing I see connects him to the Oakland County Child Murders-Nothing!
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 22, 2011 17:07:02 GMT -5
But Helen,there is the DNA that matches Gunnel, right? Don-Note -and how does that make Chris Busch a suspect?-I know your thinking -well he was molested by Busch-But how does that connect Busch to The Occk-all The Busch victims are a live-and as for the DNA-It is from a blood pool-all that means is-even my DNA could be a match-However They did not have my DNA to check it out-this DNA-doesn't even mean that a family member from down the line may have the same-and it doesn't mean that you have to be a relative of Gunnels to match this DNA--THIS DNA WILL NOT MAKE A CASE THAT WOULD HOLD UP IN COURT-UNLESS THEY HAVE A VERY STUPID JURY--
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 22, 2011 17:09:52 GMT -5
Helen, Well what about all that Newspaper coverage-that said Busch was the Killer? Sam-Note-I know you do not want me to comment on all that news coverage!!!!! I won't even go there...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 22, 2011 17:21:29 GMT -5
Helen, Why would the cops name him as a suspect if he wasn't the killer? Dean-Note-THE MICHIGAN STATE POLICE HAS NEVER NAMED CHRIS BUSCH AS THE KILLER PUBLICLY,SO YOU JUST MAY HAVE THOUGHT THEY DID-THE ONLY COP ON THE FACE OF THIS EARTH WHO BELIEVES BUSCH IS THE OCCK -IS CORY WILLIAMS- NOW IF THEY EVER ARE ABLE TO COME UP WITH SOME REAL EVIDENCES-I MEAN REAL-THEN WHO KNOWS MAYBE SOME LE WILL CHANGE THERE MINDS-AND LIKE I HAVE SAID BEFORE-I NEED TO SEE THE EVIDENCES BEFORE I WILL GIVE IN TO THIS- and I wouldn't even consider-a he said she said-Because it is really easy-to say anything you want about a dead guy-and this case has been full of that- SO I SAY IF YOU THINK BUSCH IS INVOLVED-PROVE IT!!!
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 22, 2011 17:25:05 GMT -5
Something must have made Mr. King think that Busch was involved. Ted- Note-Since I do not have a clue to why or what--It would be impossible for me to answer this question...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 22, 2011 17:37:57 GMT -5
Helen, What about those 8 rolls of film that Busch had when he was arrested on the sex charge,doesn't that point to his being involved in the Occk? Tess-Note-There was NOT ONE PHOTO OF AN OCCK VICTIM ON THAT FILM~
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 22, 2011 19:30:37 GMT -5
Helen, What about all the photos the Fox Island group took.Scott-Note- NOT ONE PHOTO OF A OCCK VICTIM SURFACED-EVER!
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 22, 2011 22:18:27 GMT -5
Published: Sunday, November 08, 2009
By Shaun Byron, Journal Register News Service
Michigan State Police officials have declined to comment on whether a suicide victim and suspected sex offender was a suspect in the Oakland County child killer case.
State Police Capt. Harold Love said they have no comment on recent media reports about the possibility Christopher Brian Busch is a suspect in the more than 30-year-old serial killer case.
The unidentified killer has eluded investigators since four children were found slain in 1976 and 1977 in Oakland County.
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