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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 20, 2011 17:59:26 GMT -5
Feedback will be late tonight-I have not even read today's-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 20, 2011 18:13:03 GMT -5
I'm going to take a nap-So could some one find out what they can on a -Beach Rd. Tobias said there was no such road in 1976-77--but I think there was because I have it in my loose notes 3 times-well anyway see what you can find-and email or post on feed back- Bingotank@aol.com Talk to you all later~
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 20, 2011 19:50:15 GMT -5
Mike ,you wanted to know if John was a drinker? He never drank in front of me,I suspect he did though,because everyone else in his family did. In the FOIA Documents-Studt asked him If he thought the Occk went in to the drug store to buy a six pack and John said I told him that he did-lol-I didn't say that to John....Then in another Document -Studt said what about the 6 pack of beer from the drug store and John said,yes I read that in the Book-Wolf In Sheep's Clothing--now that maybe in the book-I have no Idea-I only know -that I never talked about anyone going in to the drug store where Tim was the night he was abducted-to buy beer-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 20, 2011 19:52:45 GMT -5
Tom,No what John said was-The children were cleaned up so they could be presented to the world like a gift package.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 20, 2011 20:11:07 GMT -5
Dean-Your right-John did say he traveled 13 and 1/4th mile before he dropped Tim's body,and that he had a friend that lived that same distant from his place -I did talk to a guy in Livonia-that did know him-but he said they were not close friends-and when I mention The Occk-he never called me back and I had his email address where he worked at the car dealership-and when I emailed him a list of questions -he did not respond---and then-I mapped out the route John took and I got the addresses of every thing that was in 1/2 mile of where Tim's body was dropped-I checked out the owners of Property-and got a Big Shock! when I found the name of -Chris Bushes Maid-1/2 mile from Tim's Drop off....By the time I connected this...I could not get a hold of her-Her Phone was disconnected-I sent someone out to the house-They said it appeared empty-They went to the neighbors and were told she had not been there for a while-they did not know her-So I checked to see if she still owned the house -and she did-and also owned another home in Livona but court records -did not give the address-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 20, 2011 20:16:23 GMT -5
Kim, I think the name of the Cook at Biffs where John worked and who had the Satan ring was named Larry-I think you mean his friend who he borrowed the car from-the one who ask John if he fed Tim the Chicken?
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 20, 2011 20:21:39 GMT -5
Ken, I don't know at this time if I can post the drawing -that John did of Danto's yard and home and all those trees-I know I sent a copy to Tobias-But I don't know where the Original is right now-I'm sure the BPD has one~But they don't give back stuff that you give them-nor do any other Police Dept.s-I found out-lol
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 20, 2011 20:46:55 GMT -5
Ok-So Beach Rd is in Troy? You guys will have to look a little deeper-because I can not connect that to Tim-Can you see how far Beach Rd goes? Does it come near Livonia?-We need to find this out-I just can not do it-you all remember the last time I did some mapping-we were all laughing for a month-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 20, 2011 20:51:04 GMT -5
Welcome Barry,so we have you hooked now that we have the Videos up-good!--I'm not sure if we will be putting that in a video-but what John said was-"Don't put me in your book! I will sue you if you do,I'm not going to have people looking at me!! Do you understand that!!!"
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 20, 2011 21:00:23 GMT -5
I saw your post on Beach Road. You mean Beech Rd or more appropriately Beech-Daly Rd. This road runs north and south and is one mile west of Telegraph and four miles east of Farmington. . By the way - Beech-Daly begins way south (Inkster?) and ends at 10 Mile Rd until you get to Holy Sepluche Cemetery, It is a well-traveled north -south road (4 lanes with a center turn lane) . People refer to it simply as "Beech" sometimes without the Daly part. I'd be glad to answer any follow-ups Greg
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 20, 2011 21:03:25 GMT -5
Hi Helen...here I come again with 20 questions! I know you're busy, so I'll throw them out there and see how they land...
How did J get out to 6 Mile without crossing through roadblocks? Was he already out that way by the time the roadblocks went up? If so, where would he keep Tim?
Is there any connection with Busch's maid that you know of? Were they the same age?
Did J ever house-sit for M, particularly during the time of the Stebbins abduction? (Perhaps the second home was still being rented at this time...? Also, if J really did head off to Europe between February and December of '76, it would make a lot of sense for a couple of reasons.)
On a related note: I don't have the resources that you do, but I believe that Gill Road is also literally around the corner from the house that the Ferros moved to (on Gary Rd. in Livonia) just before Judy's murder. Like I said, my info comes from limited resources, so I could be wrong. And I'm not suggesting that J killed Ferro, but that it may have been a trigger (like Danto said) especially since you stated that J originally lived in Redford. Xxxx Note -I'm going to be on the phone for a bit-so will answer this later-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 20, 2011 21:38:11 GMT -5
OK-Lets Answer this-Sorry about the delay-but I know the Laziest people in the world-and instead of them sending and email-to tell me how great the Videos are-they call- This is your post-Hi Helen...here I come again with 20 questions! I know you're busy, so I'll throw them out there and see how they land... How did J get out to 6 Mile without crossing through roadblocks? Was he already out that way by the time the roadblocks went up? If so, where would he keep Tim? JOHN WAS ON THE MAIN STREET OF BIRMINGHAM WHEN HE SAW ALL THE ROAD BLOCKS-AND HE THOUGHT THAT EVERY CAR HE PASSED-THAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT HIM-HE WAS SCARED- TIM WAS IN THE CAR-BUT HE NEVER TOLD ME WHERE-HE SAID HE PRAYED TO NOT GET CAUGHT- HE SAID HE WENT TO THE BACK ROAD OF FARMINGTON-AND THEN YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP SITE WHICH ROADS HE TOOK- Is there any connection with Busch's maid that you know of? Were they the same age?RICK AND I WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS-AND RICK WONDER IF SHE COULD HAVE BEEN THE GAL IN THE TRUCK OUT AT DENNY'S AND HOLLOW DRUG STORE_AFTER ALL SHE ONLY LIVED 1/2 MILE FROM TIM'S DROP OFF-SO SHE COULD HAVE BEEN THERE SHOPPING-AND WHEN I TALKED TO THE WOMAN WHO CALLED ME ABOUT SEEING JOHN OUT THERE-SHE COULD HAVE GIVEN ME A FAKE NAME-I NEVER FOUND ANYTHING THAT I COULD CONNECT-BUT SHE WAS A COUPLE OF YEARS OLDER THAN JOHN-AND JOHN LIKED OLDER WOMEN-MAYBE HE WAS SO UP TIGHT HE DIDN"T RECOGNIZE HER-HE DIDN'T RECOGNIZE ME ONE TIME WHEN HE WAS UNDER STRESS Did J ever house-sit for M, particularly during the time of the Stebbins abduction? (Perhaps the second home was still being rented at this time...? Also, if J really did head off to Europe between February and December of '76, it would make a lot of sense for a couple of reasons.)I KNOW THAT JOHN DID HOUSE SETTING-BUT FOR HIS SISTER-I DON'T KNOW? THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT JOHN WAS IN EUROPE AFTER MARKS DROP- BUT THEN HE WAS BACK IN 45 DAYS-SO THAT WOULD;T COVER HIM FOR ANY OF THE DEATHS_ On a related note: I don't have the resources that you do, but I believe that Gill Road is also literally around the corner from the house that the Ferros moved to (on Gary Rd. in Livonia) just before Judy's murder. Like I said, my info comes from limited resources, so I could be wrong. And I'm not suggesting that J killed Ferro, but that it may have been a trigger (like Danto said) especially since you stated that J originally lived in Redford. Xxxx WELL WE KNOW HE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH JUDY'S DEATH_AND NO I DON'T THINK HER DEATH WAS A TRIGGER FOR HIM-HE DIDN'T REALLY NEED ONE -HE WAS ON A PRE-DETERMINED MISSION-TWO BOYS AND TWO GIRLS-OK I DIDN'T RE READ THIS-SO HOPE I ANSWERED ALL YOUR QUESTIONS_
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 20, 2011 21:51:00 GMT -5
This Just In->> Subject: something you need to know about >> Hi All, >> >> Please read and consider. >> >> Kids are putting Drano, tin foil, and a little water in plastic drink bottles and capping it up - leaving it on lawns, in mail boxes, in gardens, on driveways etc. just waiting for you to pick it >> up intending to put it in the rubbish, but you'll never make it!!! >> >> If the bottle is picked up, and the bottle is shaken even just a little - in about 30 seconds or less it builds up enough gas which then explodes with enough force to remove some of your extremities. The liquid that comes out is boiling hot as well. >> >> Don't pick up any plastic bottles that may be lying in your yards or in the gutter, etc. >> >> Pay attention to this. A plastic bottle with a cap. A little Drano. A little water. >> >> A small piece of foil. Disturb it by moving it; and BOOM!! >> >> No fingers left and other serious effects to your face, eyes, etc. >> >> Please ensure that everyone that may not have email access are also informed of this.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 20, 2011 22:04:54 GMT -5
OK that is it for feedback tonight-I'm not going to read any more of it until tomorrow-sorry -but I need to get back at the BIG OCCK PROJECT-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 21, 2011 1:44:20 GMT -5
Helen, I have been all over the web reading your old post and I saw the one were you said , you always trust your instinct, you go girl! Women have an amazing ability to sense things. David Wicker
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