Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 21, 2007 4:13:39 GMT -5
Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:58 pm Post subject: That is a BIG FAT LIE!
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The Oakland County Task Force-Det. Garry Gray & David Robertson said/{This person was fully investigated by very competent investigators and closed for numerous reasons and documented facts. When we decided to rejuvenate the OCCK investigation several years ago, we did take a second look, and spent a reasonable amount of time combing over this particular suspect's case file and the information contained therein. I also talked to the investigators who actually worked on him. I concur with their findings and the matter remains closed.}/// Helen Says- I can positively say that a thorough Investigation was not done on John-Oh 10 years ago I would have just let it go-but I have Interviewed soooo many people over the last 10 years-that I know this is not true! Let's start at the beginning....I'm not going to quote my extensive Occk files-as all the information is so imbedded into my mind...that I am just going to start...and will see where this takes us-The first LE- I called was the Birmingham PD....That connection was to Det.Don Studt...after a few conversation with him...I started to mail him daily reports on John...then the night that John drew the Maps of the pick up & drop offs of each kid..I called Don...and told him I was sending them down...well with in a few days Don called to say he... and I believe his chief {I can not remember his name & I never ever even have asked anyone to tell me-as he was such and unmemorable person-I didn't need his name} would be up to talk to me & would also be at the Big Boy restaurant when John & I would meet for coffee-sure enough they arrived two days later and I was to meet them at the Holiday Inn in Alpena Michigan...just before noon-at the pool area...when I arrived I just found myself a table and sat down...seemed like I waited for a bit...and then I saw my daughter come out of a room ....where she had been interviewed by them{I had no knowledge that she would be there...{as she left she said..".I had to take off from work-for them to figure out -if your & my head were screwed on tight?"}...To this day she has not told me what they discussed...nor have I asked her. Then Don and his boss introduced them selves...they were all smiles...and had indeed been busy since they hit Alpena-they had already talked to my parole officer...who told them -she just loved me-I was such a great person{I just smiled...because I knew that she had said that-then she told them how I did under cover work-ect. ect....they also talked to a lot of other people about me-the chief of the Alpena police dept.-the Lt. ect. ect....I only mention all of this -so you will see that more investigation was given to me...than to John...so that afternoon we went out for dinner...and did not talk about the case at all...as they were still trying to size me up...I only order Orange Juice...and they found that quite upsetting....then back to their car...we went and pick up the mother of John's child...and the only questions they asked her...was do you think John is interested or in Love with Helen...she answer NO!....and then....Don & his boss had the opportunity...but did not take it...to view some physical evidence...that could possibly of contain the children's Dna....That is when I knew that they really did consider John a suspect...and were going to follow all the rules....We then drop off the mother of Johns child...and they dropped me off to meet up with Beth...and they would go get situated in the restaurant...So Beth & I took are regular booths and waited for John....Who for the first time ever...NEVER SHOWED UP....Then we all left separately and grouped back up a block down at the Gas station.....and they told Beth & I that they were going to see John in the am...so we rode by his apartment..I gave them the lay out...{his light was on}...and I knew what he was doing...He was still reading The book Sheep in Wolf's...a library book that I had just picked up that day...and asked John if he would like to read it first...this is the same day that I lied to John and told him I was going to meet with Mr. King and his daughter at Big Boy that night...and he was welcome to join us...this is also at the time he had a freudian slip...as he walked across his living room..He said" He will recognize me" MORE SOON....
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The Oakland County Task Force-Det. Garry Gray & David Robertson said/{This person was fully investigated by very competent investigators and closed for numerous reasons and documented facts. When we decided to rejuvenate the OCCK investigation several years ago, we did take a second look, and spent a reasonable amount of time combing over this particular suspect's case file and the information contained therein. I also talked to the investigators who actually worked on him. I concur with their findings and the matter remains closed.}/// Helen Says- I can positively say that a thorough Investigation was not done on John-Oh 10 years ago I would have just let it go-but I have Interviewed soooo many people over the last 10 years-that I know this is not true! Let's start at the beginning....I'm not going to quote my extensive Occk files-as all the information is so imbedded into my mind...that I am just going to start...and will see where this takes us-The first LE- I called was the Birmingham PD....That connection was to Det.Don Studt...after a few conversation with him...I started to mail him daily reports on John...then the night that John drew the Maps of the pick up & drop offs of each kid..I called Don...and told him I was sending them down...well with in a few days Don called to say he... and I believe his chief {I can not remember his name & I never ever even have asked anyone to tell me-as he was such and unmemorable person-I didn't need his name} would be up to talk to me & would also be at the Big Boy restaurant when John & I would meet for coffee-sure enough they arrived two days later and I was to meet them at the Holiday Inn in Alpena Michigan...just before noon-at the pool area...when I arrived I just found myself a table and sat down...seemed like I waited for a bit...and then I saw my daughter come out of a room ....where she had been interviewed by them{I had no knowledge that she would be there...{as she left she said..".I had to take off from work-for them to figure out -if your & my head were screwed on tight?"}...To this day she has not told me what they discussed...nor have I asked her. Then Don and his boss introduced them selves...they were all smiles...and had indeed been busy since they hit Alpena-they had already talked to my parole officer...who told them -she just loved me-I was such a great person{I just smiled...because I knew that she had said that-then she told them how I did under cover work-ect. ect....they also talked to a lot of other people about me-the chief of the Alpena police dept.-the Lt. ect. ect....I only mention all of this -so you will see that more investigation was given to me...than to John...so that afternoon we went out for dinner...and did not talk about the case at all...as they were still trying to size me up...I only order Orange Juice...and they found that quite upsetting....then back to their car...we went and pick up the mother of John's child...and the only questions they asked her...was do you think John is interested or in Love with Helen...she answer NO!....and then....Don & his boss had the opportunity...but did not take it...to view some physical evidence...that could possibly of contain the children's Dna....That is when I knew that they really did consider John a suspect...and were going to follow all the rules....We then drop off the mother of Johns child...and they dropped me off to meet up with Beth...and they would go get situated in the restaurant...So Beth & I took are regular booths and waited for John....Who for the first time ever...NEVER SHOWED UP....Then we all left separately and grouped back up a block down at the Gas station.....and they told Beth & I that they were going to see John in the am...so we rode by his apartment..I gave them the lay out...{his light was on}...and I knew what he was doing...He was still reading The book Sheep in Wolf's...a library book that I had just picked up that day...and asked John if he would like to read it first...this is the same day that I lied to John and told him I was going to meet with Mr. King and his daughter at Big Boy that night...and he was welcome to join us...this is also at the time he had a freudian slip...as he walked across his living room..He said" He will recognize me" MORE SOON....