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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 12, 2011 2:50:44 GMT -5
Late in the afternoon of December 22, 1976, l2-year-old Jill Robinson had an argument with her mother, Karol Robinson, with whom she lived in Royal Oak, Michigan. Their dispute involved some household chores Jill had failed to do, and at its climax, Jill's mother told her to get out until she could become part of the family. Jill went to her bedroom, packed some clothes and a blue and green plaid blanket into her denim backpack and, dressed in blue jeans, shirt/ snow boots, bright Xxxxxx winter jacket, and blue knit cap with a yellow design in its border, walked out the door. She hadn't returned by early evening as her mother expected her to do, and at 11:30 p.m. that night, Jill's father, who is divorced from her Mother and living in Birmingham, Michigan, reported her missing. She was not seen alive again. Her body was found about 8:45 a.m. on December 26, alongside Route I-75 just north of Sixteen Mile Road in Troy, Michigan; her killer had laid her down on her back on the snowy shoulder of the road and blown the top of her head off with a l2-gauge shotgun. She was wearing her backpack, which still contained the plaid blanket. The autopsy report on Jill Robinson was prepared by Dr. Robert F. Sillery, chief pathologist for the Oakland County Medical Examiner's Office; it said she had died from Shock and hemorrhage due to a shotgun wound of the head. There were no signs of sexual molestation or penetration, and her hymen was intact; a lightly stained tampon was in her girl thingy (it had come from a box which she had purchased herself and which her mother later discovered). Despite the many reports that were telephoned to police of seeing a girl Jill's age in cars or along 1-75, no valid leads were developed, and there is little or no real information regarding her disappearance, where a bouts for four days, or who her murderer might be. The police know what kind of shotgun shell was used and what size shot; it is a common variety, easily obtainable in a number of local gun and hardware stores. One unexplained aspect of the case: Jill's bike was found by a neighborhood boy on the afternoon of December 27 behind the Valenti and Lieberman offices on N. Main Street in Royal Oak; no one knows whether she rode it there on the 22nd when she disappeared or whether it was placed there later.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 12, 2011 23:36:43 GMT -5
1. All four victims were alone when abducted; also, they were all taken from business areas, in or near parking lots. 2. Two victims were abducted on a Sunday afternoon, two on a Wednesday evening. 3. Victims were held captive, for periods ranging from 3 to 19 days. 4. Victims appeared to have been well fed while held and not subjected to weather or other exposure. 5. The victims were well cared for during their period of captivity, including caring for their normal biological needs. All the bodies were clean, and Tim King's body was described as Clinically clean (his finger and toe nails had been scraped). 6. All four victims were dressed in their own clothing (possibly by someone else) just before or after death. 7. All four bodies were deposited along roadsides where they would be readily found. 8. There was no evidence of sexual molestation of either girl; both boys showed obvious anal dilation. 9. Apparently little if any force was used in the abductions; no commotions were reported in this regard. On the other hand, there are certain differences that tend to make the interrelationship of the crimes less positive. For example, Jill Robinson was killed along the edge of a highway with a shotgun, a noisy and attentiongetting method, while the other three were smothered, probably by holding a hand over their mouths and pinching their nostrils shut. Students of the pathology of sex would probably point to the probable lack of interest in pre-adolescent girls on the part of a homosexual assailant of young boys. And, the killeld~ timing was inconsistent; the Stebbins boy was murdered in February, 1976; the next victim was seized at the end of December, 1976, followed by one in January and one in March. Also, the victims were kept for varying lengths of time: 3~, 4, 6, and 19 days. There are other contradictory aspects as well; the cleanliness of the victims has been seen by investigators as a largely successful attempt on the part of the killer to destroy possible evidence--scrapings from under fingernails, dirt from clothing, or handprints on skin. These procedures, on the other hand, could have been part of the compulsive cleanliness of a far-from-normal individual. Perspective takes on special significance when making judgments on such details.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 15, 2011 2:24:42 GMT -5
It became necessary to make some plans for continuing the Task Force, whose costs were becoming an increasingly heavy burden on the budgets of the many police departments that had sent volunteer detectives (in late March there were still as many as 134 detectives on the day shift-plus 18 Michigan State Police officers running the tip room). By March 31, efforts were underway to seek Law Enforcement Assistance Administration funds in order to allow the Task Force to continue operations for up to six months. Chief Tobin was the spearhead of this effort, working with Dr. Noel Bufe and Don Jackson of the Michigan Office of Criminal Justice Programs and James Rhodes, coordinator of the Oakland County Criminal Justice Program, in preparing the preliminary request for grant aid. On April 12, Robert O. Heck of th~ LEAA Office of Regional Operations and Tom Tubbs of LEAA Region V in Chicago met with the Michigan state planners, Chief Tobin, and Michigan State Police officials. The final grant requests were worked out at that time, with LEAA assistance being predicated not only on the need to continue the investigative task force but also on the desire to document the incid~nts and the investigative activity in a process-evaluative manner so that future such major investigative efforts could fierive the benefit and guidance of Michigan's experience. C. The Grants As approved, the grants for the Task Force were as follows: Grant I, funded through the State Office of Criminal Justice Programs, was broken down like this: $306,888 in Federal funds channeled through the Michigan OCJP; $17,049 in state funds; and $17,050 in local funds ($2,131 apiece for the eight commmlities involved), for a total of $341,987.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 16, 2011 12:01:23 GMT -5
Oakland County prosecutors would not take this case to trial even if someone walked into the office and dumped the bones of other victims on their desk...and said-I am The Oakland County Child Killer--Yet i have known cases to go to a grand jury with much less than what they have -right now--Is there any hope for resolution on this matter...that has gone ignored for 35 years..???Let us know what you think-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 17, 2011 5:06:37 GMT -5
By A 15year old school girl ~Occk 1977~No Title
He is a maniac killer, obviously sick. Why these children did he pick?
All were good, no problems, no fears. The thought of their death brings us to tears.
We've grown to love each of them and are convinced this killer must be condemned.
No matter how long this killer is sought, the thought lingers on; how hard they all fought.
All these children were terrified He had no emotions Begging for mercy through muted cries.
Now seven are gone. . . Who will we find come this dawn?
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 18, 2011 5:05:05 GMT -5
Video #13
Alpena Witness Speaks Witness to Big Boy (2 of 3)
Alpena has two Big Boy restaurants, the discussion in front of him and the eeriness, the Troy map that AW could see briefly, 'Lucy In the Sky with Diamonds', AW's wrong conclusions about the discussion and why.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 19, 2011 2:32:02 GMT -5
Jill Robinson
Jill Robinson, 12, of Royal Oak, MI, was last seen alive on December 22, 1976. She and her mother had an argument over making dinner rolls; Jill went to her room, packed clothes and a blanket and left on her bicycle. When her mother first reported her missing the police treated it as a runaway situation. Four days later Jill’s body was found on the shoulder of Interstate 75 in Troy, MI. Police believe she was held for four days before she was murdered by a 16-gauge shotgun blast to her face. There was no sign of sexual assault.
Jill is believed to be the second victim of the Oakland County Child Killer.
Investigative Contact: Oakland County, MI Sheriff 888.TURN-1-IN or 888.887.6146
Date of Birth:
Age at Death/Disappearance: 12
Date of Death/Disappearance: December 26, 1976
Case Type: Homicide
Case Status: Open
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 20, 2011 3:57:27 GMT -5
The Troy Police failed to call a crime lab to process the scene where the body of Jill Robinson was found. "'Noting the similarities in the two cases, it was suggested that a coordinated effort involving the State Police, Sheriff's Department and the local authorities involved be implemented in an attempt to solve the crimes,' Spreen said. 'The suggestion was submitted to the local agencies by the State Police, and the offer was declined.'"
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 20, 2011 4:26:05 GMT -5
Alpena Witness Speaks Witness to Big Boy (3 of 3)
AW realizes 13 years later what the crazy discussion at Big Boy was really about from a written post from Helen on America's Most Wanted (AMW) website in 2004, AW's rude awakening to Helen & John story and the reality, Big Boy restaurant 'lower level' unknown to many young Alpena residents - exclusive photos of the 'lower level' of the Big Boy restaurant from employee private party from over 30 years ago, AW's several attempts at contacting LE and his own ventures in seeking the truth, AW's correspondence with John's family members on AMW website and an attempt at getting the truth out of them (Note - Thread was closed down by request of Helen Dagner), quest for search of Jill's books last seen in Alpena. Michigan (Please ask book collectors you know!!!!).
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 21, 2011 3:13:05 GMT -5
reading old Detroit news papers from 1976 and 1977. Its very strange to read a story one day and see it changes the next. Nothing was reported about Jill Robinson as a posible victim untill the day before she turned up dead. Then the news reported that she was killed while she tried to escape. Then they reported that she laid in the snow and was shot.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 22, 2011 0:43:56 GMT -5
Interview Alpena Michigan by BPD -John answered Don Studt- No, I didn't. She mentioned something about....the guy put her clothes back on and they weren't right or something like that. And I said did you see that Colombo TV episode where the guy put the girls pants on backwards, or the tag was on backwards, and that's how they found out that she didn't put them back on or something like that.
DS Did you offer a theory as to why Jill Robinson was shot in the head?
i might have. I might have said, well maybe she may have given him some trouble when he tried to get rid of her.
DS Before he got rid of them all, eventually.
Helen tile me that she was the one 14 going on 24, I believe.
DS Helen said that?
Ya, and she was kind of hard headed. As a result, he could have resorted to violence. I think thats about all I concluded about that.
EPO Did you say anything about maybe she was hard to handle and wanted to go home all the time, and the other ones didn't? She was real demanding?
No, I didn't.
EPO Did Helen say that to you and you responded to that question? I don't believe so. Other than he might have wanted to get rid of her, you know, because she was giving him a hard time. SO, I can't...I don't think we talked about anything more than that.
DS We've been talking about this case for 2 hours. Never once did
BLK 01702
you say you didn't do it. i didn't do it. I told Helen that one night. I said "listen, I'm not the guy. You're either going to believe me or not."
DS I'm not going to tell you that we've known one of those kids for a long time. Why should believe that you didn't kill him?
Why should you beleive that I did do it?
DS You were in the area at the time. You may or may not have been Europe for a couple of months in '76 that we;re concerned with. I ;m real interested to see the passport. Very interested to see the passport.
Ok
DS You were in Europe at the time. You weren't working, you were working weekends, maybe, but were unable to verify that. You stayed with your mother and there was a house next door that your family owned that may or may not have been vacant for a period of time. You could pretty much come and go as you please. There is some indication that there were a couple of vibrator incidence, whether of not thats important or significant, or true. They're out there yet to be resolved. You're a smart guy, you're quiet, intelligent, a soft spoken guy. I don;t think you'd have any trouble relating to kids. Whether or not that would be for a positive purpose of not,I don't really know. But, thats a few reasons.
EPO And somebody thought you were suspicious to start out.
Who's that?
DS Back in 1977.....
BLK 01703
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 23, 2011 4:51:55 GMT -5
Helen, We are at a complete loss as to why the present day task force hasn't investigated the finding of Jill's bike by the two boys who have since come forward with what could be vital information.This could be of paramount importance,as it would precisely pin point the spot where Jill was most probably abducted,we found it to be of great value,as it was yet another data point we used to help connect the Geographic Profile dots. Another logic defying stunt by the TF when dealing with witnesses in a flippant manner or just ignoring them all together. Helen,we are not surprised that this case remains unsolved.At this rate it never will be solved.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 23, 2011 8:03:26 GMT -5
The Detroit Free Press article on September 8, 1978, appears to be
the last public word on the possible involvement of a Pontiac in these crimes. I believe this information was both inaccurate and incomplete.
The most critical part of the car information came from Kristine's
crime scene. The mailman who found her was bored and was driving along following in some fresh tire tracks that had been left in the powdery snow on secluded Bruce Lane. He followed these tracks until they came to a point where they swerved across the road. At this point, he saw Kristine's body. The imprints in the snow indicated that the car had swerved to turn around at the crest of a hill, at the point where the driver would have first seen the houses down below in a cul de sac. As it turned around, the front left side of the car left a mark in the snow. The car backed up and struck the opposite snow bank, leaving an impression of not only the bumper, but the rear undercarriage of the car. The car then completed the turn and footprints were left in the snow leading to the body.
The bumper/car imprints were photographed but not actually measured
at the scene. Police took these photos to car manufacturers in an effort to identify the car. The only positive response was from GM, who provided the names of several models which could have left the impressions, but without more specific measurements, they could not make further identification. LE then took the photos to an trained photo interpreter who was ultimately able to figure the measurements within 1/32 of an inch. The interpreter also noted that there was a trailer hitch on the car and that it had been pulled to the left, as in an accident. There was obviously a lag time between the first go- round with the car manufacturers and the subsequent GM inquiry after measurements had been figured. GM reviewed the more specific measurements and reported that the car involved was a 1971 or 1972 Pontiac LeMans. I believe the police and the FBI know exactly which year--1971 or 1972. An FBI agent worked on this project along with local LE.
I believe, but I cannot prove, that this much more specific determination of car model was made in June 1978. If that is the case, I have no explanation why the press release is issued three months later or why it inaccurately states that the vehicle in question was a 1964-1967 Pontiac Tempest or Buick Skylark. Wikipedia describes the 1971 LeMans as an upscale Tempest, and states that all three of these GM cars in fact shared what was known as a "Y" body"-- a semi-universal car body that was then modified according to model. It would make sense that the initial response might mention these three vehicles as possibilities, since no actual measurements were provided, but the second response was quite specific--a 1971 or 1972 Pontiac LeMans with a V-8 engine. Again, I have been unable to find any indication that this more specific information was ever provided to the public. The task force ran out of funds and was dissolved some three months after this Free Press article ran.
Why else is this so relevant and disturbing? Because the man who saw the car on the left side of the shoulder of N.B. I-75 at 3:30 a.m., near where Jill's body was found hours later told police he thought the car was LEMANS because he had owned a LeMans in the past and recognized the make/model. This witness also described primer spots on the left side of the vehicle. I believe this same witness stated that the left taillight was broken. (Damage to left side of vehicle--consistent with the much later observation by the photo interpreter that the car had a trailer hitch that had been pulled an inch or so to the left.)
Furthermore, as stated in the 1978 article, which was based on a press release from the task force, a small, shiny Pontiac or Buick was seen near where Mark's body was found. No color could be given-- just that it was "shiny." A lot of Pontiacs and Buicks from that era look very similar, but this seems very relevant in light of the car seen on I-75 and the car impressions left at Bruce Lane.
The color blue is mentioned in the article, but I cannot determine
where this description came from, nor can I determine if they are talking dark blue, light blue, shiny blue. I don't know how "blue" figures in, just that this color is referenced .
Attempts to have this information about the LeMans released by LE post-2005 have been rejected. I have reason to believe that two Detroit-area press reporters learned of this information at some point in the last two years, but they either did not follow up or were somehow convinced the story had no merit or would not be helpful in solving these crimes.
All of this being said, the world does not need to know about every
creep who drove or could have borrowed a 5 or 6-year-old LeMans in 1977 in Oakland County. But if someone knows about a 1971 or 1972 LEMANS WHICH IN LATE 1976 HAD PRIMER SPOTS ON THE LEFT SIDE, A BROKEN LEFT TAILLIGHT AND A TRAILER HITCH THAT WAS PULLED TO THE LEFT IN SOME TOWING-RELATED ACCIDENT, THAT WOULD BE EXTREMELY RELEVANT. These specific markers could have been noticed by a neighbor, gas station attendant or mechanic. Someone could have been a passenger in such a car when there was an accident that damaged the left side of the car, probably while it was towing something. Poke holes in my statements and assumptions all you want, but I would bet my life that if this guy is ever caught, he drove or had access to this car.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 26, 2011 7:09:02 GMT -5
Victim Jill: These are the Distance~ From the Killers Lair~ Distance from where taken: 13 Mile at Woodward: 5.1 miles, 10 mins, Royal Oak Police Distance to drop: On I -75: About 5 miles 10 min, Troy Police
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