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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 1, 2011 0:07:21 GMT -5
Lucy In The Sky With Diamond (You can listen to the Music on Video-16
Jill Robinson's favorite song-when she was abducted ...It made her feel Free..Her body was found Dec.26,1976..along the side of Interstate 75 in Troy...she was now Free...and 35 yrs years later her killer-still-walks free...
The Beatles Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds Writer, lead vocal: John Lennon
Picture yourself in a boat on a river, With tangerine trees and marmalade skies Somebody calls you, you answer quite slowly, A girl with kaleidoscope eyes. Cellophane flowers of yellow and green, Towering over your head. Look for the girl with the sun in her eyes, And she's gone.
Lucy in the sky with diamonds...
Follow her down to a bridge by a fountain Where rocking horse people eat marshmellow pies, Everyone smiles as you drift past the flowers, That grow so incredibly high. Newspaper taxis appear on the shore, Waiting to take you away. Climb in the back with your head in the clouds, And you're gone.
Lucy in the sky with diamonds...
Picture yourself on a train in a station, With plasticine porters with looking glass ties, Suddenly someone is there at the turnstyle, The girl with the kaleidoscope eyes.
Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 2, 2011 0:09:04 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 2, 2011 15:39:22 GMT -5
It was the day after Christmas 1976...Jill Robinson, spent her day...along the snowy shoulder of busy Interstate 75, near Troy Michigan....there you were Jill, on your 12th Christmas....alone. With your backpack and all, with the left side of your face and head blown off by a shot gun...the grisly discovery was made by a passing motorist...on his way home...to share Christmas...with his children.----The pathologist report said that you died from shock and hemorrhage due to a shotgun....However the killer told me...you were already dead, when he shot you....Insignificant perhaps,because in the final analysis by whatever means, you were dead Jill.....There was a lot of symbolism in your murder Jill, I was told by the killer -that there were many reasons for the shotgun blast to your face...one was to leave a very significant clue....the police never did pick up on it...but non the less...it gave your killer a sense of pride as the barrel of that shotgun carried his family name...also the Kaleidoscopic eyes mention in your favorite song -Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds...John was afraid....you might bear witness against him after your death...John said Jill may have known the killer or that perhaps you saw something ...that the other children didn't see...so he destroyed that part of you that offended him...
And...maybe in taking the books from your backpack he symbolically revealed himself to be a book collector , which he was still yet when I met him,14 years after your death....In destroying your face...he may have wanted to prove that your premonition ...that you told him about...of being shot by a man without a face...had come true...and then my knowing John as I do...he may have wanted to steal your identity-like he believed his own had been stolen when he was your age...or it could have been because your father was an English Instructor...and John felt he needed to reduced you to even greater anonymity that is why he took the books...stripping you of that connection to your father...underpinning all of this -is the possibility that you and your father represented the school education system in which he experienced so much pain & turmoil...when he was your age
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 3, 2011 0:36:04 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 3, 2011 0:41:13 GMT -5
Only John had inside information and the Nay Sayers...can continue to say what they want, their referring to the fact that they believe John got his info from media reports,well I'm sure an avid reader like John read everything available...but even if he had read and listen to everything ever written and said about it,he still could not have known the exact clothing that the children were wearing when they were picked up and dropped off....because even some family members did not know....and only 5 Law Enforcement individuals knew.....But that wasn't all John knew...He drew the exact location of Jills bike were it was found by two children and drew it on a map....and the Cops did not even have this information until the one child {now a man} came forward a couple of years ago. However I had all this info in 1991....and where would I have gotten this info....I didn't even know that there was a Oakland County Child Killer...in 1976-77-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 4, 2011 0:11:04 GMT -5
The Oakland County Child Killer was an unidentified serial killer responsible for the murders of four or more children in Oakland County, Michigan, United States in 1976 and 1977. The killer was also nicknamed "The Babysitter", as all four victims had been recently bathed. Case background During a 13-month period, four children were abducted and murdered with their bodies left in various locations within the county. The children were each held from four to 19 days before being killed. Their deaths triggered a murder investigation which at the time was the largest in U.S. history. The murders are still unsolved. Fear and near- mass hysteria swept southeastern Michigan, as young people were inundated with information on " stranger danger", and parents clogged streets around schools dropping off and picking up their children. The few who did walk walked in groups and under the watchful eyes of parents in "safe houses", where children could go if they felt uncomfortable. Children even avoided using a playground directly behind the Birmingham police station. One incident in Livonia involved a tow-truck driver who assaulted a man he had seen asking two boys on the street for directions. He turned out to be an Ohio tire salesman who had gotten lost with no knowledge of the slayings. The Detroit News offered a $100,000 reward for the killer's apprehension. Victims Confirmed
* Mark Stebbins, 12, of Ferndale, was last seen leaving an American Legion Hall on Sunday afternoon, February 15, 1976. He had told his mother he was going home to watch a movie on television. He never got there. His body was found just before noon on February 19, neatly laid out in a snowbank in the parking lot of an office building at Ten Mile Road and Greenfield in Southfield (some reports claim Oak Park; Greenfield is the boundary between the two cities). He had been strangled and sexually assaulted with an object. Rope marks were seen on his wrists. He was fully clothed in the outfit he was wearing when last seen alive. * Jill Robinson, 12, of Royal Oak, packed a backpack and ran away from her home on Wednesday, December 22, 1976, following an argument with her mother over dinner preparations. The day after her disappearance, her bicycle was found behind a hobby store on Main Street in that city. Her body was found on the morning of December 26, along the side of Interstate 75 near Big Beaver Road in Troy. She was killed by a single shotgun blast to the face. She was fully clothed and still wearing her backpack. The body was placed within sight of the Troy police station, once again, laid out neatly in the snow. * Kristine Mihelich, 10, was last seen Sunday, January 2, 1977 at 3:00 p.m. at a 7-Eleven store on Twelve Mile Road at Oakshire in Berkley, purchasing a magazine. A mail carrier spotted her fully clothed body 19 days later on the side of a rural road in Franklin Village. She had been smothered. The body was laid within view of nearby homes, eyes closed and arms folded across the chest, once again in the snow. * Timothy King, 11, borrowed 30 cents from his older sister and left his home in Birmingham, skateboard in hand, to buy candy at a drugstore on nearby Maple Road on Wednesday, March 16, 1977, at about 8:30 p.m. He left the store by the rear entrance, which opened to a parking lot shared with a supermarket, and vanished. An intensive search was executed that covered the entire Detroit metropolitan area, and there was widespread media coverage, already heavy with coverage of the previous three slayings. In an emotional television appeal, Timothy's father, Barry, begged the abductor to release his son unharmed. In a letter printed in the Detroit News, Miriam King wrote that she hoped Timothy could come home soon so she could serve him his favorite meal, Kentucky Fried Chicken. In the late evening hours of March 22, 1977, two teenagers in a car spotted his body in a shallow ditch alongside Gill Road, about 300 feet south of Eight Mile Road in Livonia, just across the county line in Wayne County. His prized skateboard was placed next to his body. His clothing had been neatly pressed and washed. He had been suffocated and sexually assaulted with an object. The postmortem showed that Timothy had eaten fried chicken before he was slain.
Suspected There were other abductions and murders around the Oakland County area within the same period. These are not specifically tied to the four victims above due to variations in the cases.
* The 1972 killing of teenager Donna Serra in Ray Township. * Cynthia Cadieux, 16, was abducted and bludgeoned to death on the evening of January 15, 1976. Missing from Roseville, she was discovered nude and battered in Bloomfield Township in the early morning hours of January 16. * Sheila Srock was raped and shot dead while babysitting in a home on Villa Street in Birmingham on January 20, 1976. Her assailant had burglarized several homes in the neighborhood earlier in the evening. A neighbor had watched the entire attack in horror from his roof, where he was shoveling snow. * Jane Allen, 14, was murdered by carbon monoxide poisoning after accepting a ride while hitchhiking in Royal Oak on August 7, 1976. She was found floating in a river in Miamisburg, Ohio, on August 11. * Kimberly King (no relation to Timothy King) disappeared from Warren on September 16, 1976 after leaving a friend's house to use a payphone across the street. Her remains have never been recovered. Investigators believe David Norberg, who lived two blocks from Kimberly's home at the time of her abduction, may have been involved in her apparent abduction if not the murders.
Investigation After the discovery of Kristine Mihelich's body, authorities quickly realized they were dealing with three cases and evidence that were closely similar. Reports were released publicly of the possibility a serial killer was operating in the Oakland County area. The Michigan State Police led a group of law-enforcement officials from 13 communities in the formation of a task force, devoted solely to the investigation. Soon after Timothy King was abducted, a composite drawing of the suspected kidnapper and his vehicle was released. A woman claimed she had seen a boy with a skateboard talking to a man in a parking lot of the drugstore that Timothy had told his parents he was going to ride his skateboard to. The vehicle was reportedly a blue AMC Gremlin with a white side stripe. Authorities would eventually question every Gremlin owner in Oakland County. Investigators put together a profile of the killer based on witnesses' descriptions of the man seen talking to Timothy King the night he disappeared—a white male with a dark complexion, 25 to 35 years old with shaggy hair and sideburns. Authorities believed that the killer had a job that gave him freedom of movement and may have appeared to be someone that a child might trust, such as a police officer, clergyman or a doctor. He was also believed to be familiar with the area and had the ability to keep children for long periods of time without rousing neighbors' suspicions. Detroit psychiatrist Dr. Bruce Danto, who worked with the task force, received a letter several weeks after Timothy King's body was found from a man named "Allen", who claimed that he was the killer's roommate and even helped look after the victims. Allen said his roommate had been traumatized by killing children in the Vietnam War and was taking revenge out on more affluent citizens. Soon after, Danto got a phone call from Allen, who offered to provide photographic evidence in exchange for immunity from prosecution. Under police surveillance, the psychiatrist arranged to meet Allen at a gay bar near Detroit's exclusive Palmer Woods neighborhood. Allen did not show, and was never heard from again. The task force checked out more than 18,000 tips, but was unable to make much headway in the investigation. The task force disbanded in December 1978. The killer never struck again. Theodore Lamborgine Police in Parma Heights, Ohio arrested Ted Lamborgine, a retired auto worker believed to have been involved in a child porn ring in the 1970s. On March 27, 2007, investigators told Detroit television station WXYZ that Lamborgine was considered the top suspect in this case. Lamborgine pleaded guilty to 15 sex-related counts involving young boys rather than accept a plea bargain that would have required him to take a polygraph test on the Oakland County child killings. Lamborgine also rejected an offer of a reduced sentence in exchange for a polygraph on the case. In October 2007, the family of Mark Stebbins filed a wrongful death lawsuit against Lamborgine seeking $25,000. The lawsuit alleges Lamborgine, who lived in Metro Detroit in the late 1970s, abducted Mark and held him captive in a Royal Oak house for four days in February 1976 before smothering him to death during a sex assault. Lamborgine has never been formally linked nor charged in the death of Mark Stebbins, the first of four children who were abducted and slain between February 1976 and March 1977. Attorney David A. Binkley seeks compensation, including funeral costs, for Stebbins' brother, Michael, but stressed money is secondary.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 5, 2011 0:06:28 GMT -5
In Helen's Own Words - Part 2
Helen's first contact with Tom Robinson (Jill's dad) about John, her first contact with police over the OCCK details given from John, excerpt from Jill's favorite song Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and confirmed by a cousin, conceptual view of Hunter Maple Complex from 1977 where Tim was abducted and it's distinct shape from John's map. the various police departments listed on John's maps, parts of John's interview with police from FOIA docs, the inconclusive search for John's passport records and the inquiry of the first interview with John from 1977 with no passport reference back then, the book Wolf in Sheep's Clothing by Tommy McIntyre lend to John from Helen, an excerpt from the book that includes an interview with the first eyewitness account to Tim's abduction and the description of the man talking to Tim standing near a blue Gremlin.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 6, 2011 0:15:26 GMT -5
Part 2
Jill Robinson's mom, details of argument with Jill, father Tom Robinson, locations of Jill sightings, details of Jill's Bike and locations, and Spidey's testimony.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 6, 2011 23:44:54 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 6, 2011 23:50:31 GMT -5
This is what i can tell you about the one book.Hope you will understand,who the players are...Johns,common -law-step-son broke into John's Apt.in Alpena...I remember it was in the Winter time....when John and I were out for coffee...among what he stole was Jill's book...Little House on the Prairie-He sold it to a local book store only it never was put on the shelf or recorded on the store computer,as the clerk was a children's book collector....and when she saw this first Edition book of Jill's,she decided to keep it.In 1992 she needed to raise some money and sold her collection of books to another dealer in Alpena who kept Jill's book and gave it to her daughter for a gift..5 years later the girl had a yard sale and made the decision to sell the book. OK THAT TAKES US UP TO WHEN TOBIAS ENTERED THE BOOK INVESTIGATION WITH ME..
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 7, 2011 0:02:37 GMT -5
Jill was a sixth grader at Longfellow School in Royal Oak at the time of her murder...and just 2 weeks before her abduction she had a party for her 12th and last Birthday.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 8, 2011 0:05:47 GMT -5
Part # 3
Jill Robinson, Jill's premonition of being shot, Helen's description of Jill's books & Jill's favorite song, Kristine Mihelich murder, Kristine's mom describes her going to buy a magazine. mailman discovers body, LE Brooks Patterson, Helen's description of Kristine's clothes base on John's description and later confirmed by police photo.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 9, 2011 0:08:44 GMT -5
Part 9
Tom Robinson’s complaints on the OCCK investigation and the lack of uniting the families to find commonality, LE Senior Robert Robertson’s approach of keeping the families isolated, Helen documents the 3 other families getting together in 2009, Jill seeing counseling over her premonition of a man killing her and possibly a link, Karol Robinson complains about their LE contact not even knowing the case, art dealer John McKinney’s murder and if it relates, Helen’s find of John’s family having connections to McKinney, description of the wall hanging piece of art stolen during McKinney’s murder with more details than ever revealed before by the convenience of seeing it in John’s apartment in 1992.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 10, 2011 0:19:37 GMT -5
TESTIMONY by HELEN DAGNER ~ MARCH 2001- (2011) All Four Cases Still Unsolved~
During the winter months of 1976-77, four children between the ages of 10- 12 were abducted and killed in towns in and around Oakland County, a suburban area north of Detroit. Authorities said the children were held from 4 to 19 days before being killed. They had all been bathed after being abducted, thus earning the offender the nickname the "BABYSITTER".
VICTIMS:
Mark Stebbins, 12 of Ferndale was last seen alive in an American Legion Hall on February 13, 1976. His body was found February 19, 1976,in a parking lot in Southfield. He was strangled and sexually assaulted, post- mortem, with an object.
Jill Robinson, 12 of Royal Oak ran away from her home December 22, 1976. Her body was found December 26, 1976 dumped along the side of interstate 75 in Troy. She was killed by a single shotgun blast to the face. She was fully clothed and still wearing her backpack when she was found. Kristine Mihelich, 10 was last seen alive January 2, 1977 at 3p.m. at a 7- Eleven store in Berkley. Her fully clothed body was found 19 days later dumped off a rural road in Franklin Village. She had been smothered to death. Timothy king, 11 was last in a Birmingham parking lot March 16, 1977, at around 8:30 p.m. His body was found March 22, 1977 in a shallow ditch in Livonia. He had been suffocated and sexually assaulted post-mortem, with an object.
Now who would do such a horrible crime, and why?...Could it be a home town person? Yes, John lived in Birmingham, attended school, and graduated from High School in Birmingham...and when he worked, it was also in Oakland County... Why did he do this? When I first met John, I didn't know he was a killer , this was september 1991, and although I was married to a police officer, I didn't even know that four children had been murder in Oakland county... I had met John for coffee at a restaurant...it was by invitation, the mother of his child, had asked me if I wanted to meet John, I always went for coffee at that time of day, so I said sure...little did I know what was to become of this meeting. The first question John asked me was so what are you doing with your life...why I said this I will never know...but I said it...oh I'm going to write a book on serial killers...he said that is a horrible idea, how could you stand to be around some one like that? I remember saying, "I'm not judgmental". We weren't through with the first cup of coffee, when he asked what I knew about the Oakland child killings, I said nothing, what do you know? The first thing he told me was the guy really took good care of the children...fed them there favorite foods...cleaned them all up...and was very nice to them. I said, "Well why did he kill them?" John said he was saving them from a life as he knew it...that he was probably living in what should have been a well to do community, yet his mother might have had to baby-sit to make ends meet...I said, "John it almost sounds like you know this guy!" He said well I was interviewed by the original task force...I ask how was that? His reply was they were interviewing every one in his age group... We continued talking...then he said would you like to go for coffee tonight, I could probably help you with your book... I said well what I really need to do is talk to a serial killer...we all laughed, and he said well maybe I can help you to find one.
This started a 9 month, daily coffee meeting with John, 3-6 hrs a day every day... That night I ask John what he thought the killers motive was? He started by telling me, he felt the killer was inadequate socially, most likely couldn't get a girl friend and wound up doing odd jobs like washing dishes. He couldn't get a higher education felt he was cheated out of his rightful place in society...I realized, at some point in the conversation...John was no longer talking in the third person...he was talking in the first! When I was driving John home that night, it started to snow, he was sitting in the front passenger seat, the head lights were cutting a beam in front of us... John went into a trance like state and appear to be completely unaware of anything I said to him or that he was even in the car going down the road...upon arriving at his apartment he seemed to smoothly shift out of the trance state...back to his normal self...the whole thing gave me the creeps. I didn't know at this time that I would see this same thing ...every time I was with John, driving down the road, when it started to snow...It was at least 3 weeks before I realized John was reliving the body drop off nights...once I had this realization...I started asking more questions. He was now talking in the first person...he thought his father had money because he owned 2 homes, but let the family struggle financially, he attended and all boys Catholic school, which made him feel more out of place-something happen at that school, a boy was found dead, and there were rumors of sexual assault, as John told me about this, I felt he had been sexually assaulted...also a boy that was his friend fell off a water tower to his death, John was present when it happen...my thought at the time was John pushed him...he didn't go to the funeral...but his family did. Just prior to the first murder, John's first girl friend, that he had hoped to marry, dumped him-because he was broke, with no prospects....It was then he stared thinking more about the injustices social & financial class system and how he was a victim of it all- He wanted to cause the upper class deep and permanent pain, he decided that since money could be replaced the only way to do it was to strike at their children, besides this was something he could do, were as taking their money was beyond his ability...each killing gave him a sense of power and significance and intellectual superiority...yet some how he felt he was saving the children... At the time of the murders, John was writing a book on the economic collapse, and causing a major depression, ruining the upper class...bringing them down to his level...he was still working on the book when I last saw him. We talked about the murders everyday...a very few words were ever spoken that didn't included the Oakland County child killings...then one night when we were having coffee I told John I was having difficulty...not having ever been to Oakland County...figuring out the body drop off sites...he took 4 place-mats...and drew the areas...I had never seen anyone draw maps like that...they were perfect...just like a store bought map...I was impressed...the next day is when I called the Birmingham police and told them they had to see these maps...and they had to talk to john as he seem to have a lot of inside info. I remember their telling me, they would have to have more info...so that night at coffee I told John, I don't think you are the killer and you need to give me some information about each one of the kids that only the killer ..and the police...and the family would know...he said are you nuts? When he realized I was going to leave...or he thought I was thinking less of him...he said, "I put a chicken bone in Tim's pocket" I told him I thought I had heard that before, then he said "Kristine had little orange or pink things on her slack's...Jill had a book in her back pack and a quarter in her pocket." One of the boys he dropped off with no shoes...he ended up telling me 300 plus matches to the crimes...then the police came up...he took 2 polygraph's...showed them a pass port were he was out of the country at the death of one child...and they let him walk... I told them Johns passport was a fake...that he had wanted to go into the second pass port business...but they just couldn't get be on the pass port. I remember when they called me, late one night at my daughters...he's not are man Helen...I couldn't believe what he was saying...when they mention the pass port...I asked if they had someone who knew about these things, to check it out...they said no...I then asked, did you ask him were he stayed aboard? No....did you ask him were he ate, who he talked to. NO....well did you check with INTER-POL, yes...but they couldn't confirm... I remember thinking...COP'S!!! In fact, I said it a loud...my daughter, a detective, just looked at me...the next day I called Mr. Robinson, in fact John had given me his number, I came right out and told him the name of the book in his daughters back pack...the next day Det. Anger and some other officer came up to Alpena.. I gave them a sample of John's hair and a note book of facts, we drove by John's apartment. They took some photos...I gave them a photo of John...I didn't realize Det. Anger, had his own suspect...David Norberg...who's body he would exhume some 8 years later, trying to match his DNA, to a hair found on Tim...so many years had gone by, but when I read were the DNA didn't match...I had to call Anger again and ask him if John's hair had matched...he didn't even remember my giving it to him...he still works with Jerry Tobias on the case...but he will probably go to his grave...thinking Norberg is the man....but I know better, no child would have gone with Norberg, as he always smelled of liquer. He couldn't feed him self...much less the children, and he certainly wouldn't of bathed the children...and he had nowhere to keep them for the length of time they were held.
8 years after he died, his wife shows up with a necklace...with Kristine's name on it...that was suppose to have been in his personal stuff...it may have been...but it took 8 years to find...when the man didn't own a shoe box full of stuff...besides, I already had met the killer...and yes a child would have gone with John...3 weeks ago Tobias told me yes we have to talk to John. So the next day, I called Det. Anger... I thought well if there going to talk to John, I will give them some of my hold back info...he was to busy to talk...was on his way out of the office...when he didn't return my call...I realized it was the old smoke- and mirrors game again. No one was in search of a child killer, at least no one I knew.
Somewhere, would I find these people in Oakland County who were still alight with public outcry over the seemingly never ending spate of murders.
It's been 25 years....I decided I would join a Cold case group on the internet...I stared receiving 25-50 e-mails a day wanting to know about this case. It was then I thought I would e-mail the attorney generals office, and the FBI, and ask every one else to do the same...so that is were it is at on this 24 of March 2001
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 12, 2011 0:54:49 GMT -5
The Case (Jill Robinson)
Jill Robinson was only 12 years old, but already she had a deep horrifying fear. She was scared that someone, a man most likely was going to shoot her. "I know it's crazy,but it feels like someone's going to shoot me." She told her mother. She was then taken to a child psychologist to deal with this persisting fear of hers. One night in December Jill's mother Karol found her daughter on the verge of tears. "I hugged her and held on to her and we both cried." About three days before Christmas on Wed. Dec. 22, Jill had an argument with her mother over who was going to make the biscuits for dinner, and left home on her bike. Possibly to go to her father's house. She never made it there. The last anyone saw of her was around 7:30 at "Tiny Tim Hobby Center".
The police thought she was likely a run away, and would turn up eventually. As a result the case wasn't worked as an abduction right away. The day after her disappearance, her bicycle turned up behind a hobby store on Main Street in that city. Still the police thought she was likely a run away, and weren't too worried about her. On the day after Christmas December 26, Jill finally turned up. Her body was found along the side of Interstate 75 near Big Beaver Road in Troy.
Just like Mark it appeared she had been taken care of by her killer. The only difference was that she suffered a twelve gage shot-gun blast to her face. It would appear her fear of being shot had came true. The left side of her head was blown clean off. She was fully clothed and still wearing her backpack. Despite being shot it appeared she died from shock and hemmorhage due to the shotgun blast rather than the actual wound itself. It's thought that possibly Jill told her abductor about her fear, so the killer specifically chose this method of killing her. This change in method confused the police and at first made them uncertain if this was the work of Mark's killer. Also there were no obvious signs that she was molested, but it's felt that the killer may have engaged in some sort of sexual act with her, possibly oral sex.
The body was placed within sight of the Troy police station, once again, laid out neatly in the snow. The dump site appeared to be chosen deliberately as a taunt by the killer. Almost daring the police to try and stop him. The grisly discovery was made by a passing motorist on his way home to share Christmas with his children. The case was handled improperly due to the original belief that Jill had been a run away, and lots of evidence in her case was lost or accidently destroyed. Neither the state police crime lab nor the sheriff's department crime lab were called to the scene.
Jill's father Tom Robinson was angry at the police for their handling of the case. "They won't respond to what they consider a runaway for 48 hours, but she wasn't a runaway. She was a kid who got angry and stomped out of the house and got picked up by a creep." At one point during the investigation of Jill's death an officer working the case told the Robinsons that he hadn't even read jill's case file, leading the family to believe the police had given up on solving their daughter's murder. The family still struggles with Jill's death to this day. "It's the small things that get to you. The hardest thing is when someone asks how many children I have and I automatically say three. I can't believe that now it's only two," said Karol.
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