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[Helen Dagner]

Kristine’s Mom Speaks Out!
Interview With Deborah Jarvis
Part 1

HD Archives now goes directly to the heart of the matter, the victim’s family members. This is the first part of a four part series with an exclusive interview with Kristine Mihelich’s mom, Deborah Jarvis. She speaks out without holding back on anything. Listen to her talk over the frustrations with the OCCK investigation. She sets the record straight on her opinions of the OCCK investigation for the last 36 years. She tells the real objective behind the lawsuit she made against Oakland County with attorney Paul Hughes. Her personal contact and search over various lawyers and her secret informative ‘Bob’. Much of the speculation of the lawsuit in the news goes around the gossip of being some type of scam for money, which was never the real objective. She wants the case handed over to the Department of Justice and for good reason and she wants the public to know that was her motive to the lawsuit. Debbie goes into details about the many contradictions over the history of the case for the last 36 years and the snowball affects of dis-information surrounding the case and handled and passed around by the many different police departments involved. She covers the conflict of sperm found on the boys, the various locations reported where police recovered Jill’s bike, and questioning the significance of the blue Gremlin. She goes into details about the night Kristine became missing. TO BE CONTINUED

1977
TASK FORCE FORMED WHEN TWO MORE CHILDREN VANISH
Jan. 2: Kristine Mihelich, 10, of Berkley, had gone to a 7-Eleven store on 12 Mile near Greenfield in Berkley to buy a teen magazine. A mailman found her body 19 days later in a snow-covered ditch along Bruce Lane, a dead-end street near 13 Mile and Telegraph in Franklin. She had been smothered. *Kristine’s Mom Speaks Out!
Interview With Deborah Jarvis
Part 2

HD Archives goes directly to the heart of the matter with the victim’s family members. This is the second part of a four part series with an exclusive interview with Kristine Mihelich’s mom, Deborah Jarvis. She sets the record straight on her opinions of the OCCK investigation for the last 36 years. In this video she covers the fact that police never questioned her family back in the day which has always struck her as very odd. She was asked if there was any truth to the victim’s families being isolated from each other as taken right from a quote from Robertson Senior in an earlier video (OCCK HD ARCHIVES Pt9). Robertson Senior being ahead of the OCCK task force back in it’s day felt the families are best to be isolated from each other. Deborah admits that they did a real good job keeping the families isolated. She never met the Kings until meeting Mr. King recently in the last few years. She did get together with Ruth Stebbins and Karol Robinson in 1977 briefly at a meeting with Tobias. She did further get together with Mrs. Stebbins in the 80s to talk. Deborah talks in detail about Kristine and how she was such a likable child. She shared some photos of Kristine to us (Helen’s video crew) and this is the first time they are being shown to the public by kind permission from Deborah. The fact is that Kristine had her hair styled like Charlie’s Angels actress Kate Jackson (The shorter hair of the three) just weeks before she disappeared. So her hair was actually much shorter at the time of her abduction then her famous school picture that was shown in the newspapers. Another major mistake of the task force back in it’s day. Had these pictures shown in this video for the first time, had been shown to the public in 1977, it might have clicked with someone’s memory that saw Kristine from the Seven-Eleven-Store/Bowling Alley? Note-Her hair had much different appearance than what was known possibly throwing any potential witnesses off from ever making the connection. Deborah does a word-for-word reenactment dramatization of her discussion with Kristine begging to go to the store to pick up a teen magazine along with specific guidelines. That was their last words together. TO BE CONTINUED

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HD Archives goes directly to the heart of the matter with the victim’s family members. This is the third part of a four part series with an exclusive interview with Kristine Mihelich’s mom, Deborah Jarvis. She speaks right from the heart with her personal and up close discussions. She sets the record straight on her opinions of the OCCK investigation for the last 36 years. In this video she expresses her further frustration with the investigation. She has tried to contact Michigan State Police Detective Denise Powell and never gets a response of any type. Debbie was asked who reports status to who on this case wondering if she may have an idea. She assumes there is a task force doing something but just what it is, is the question. Debbie was further asked of the 36-year history of this case being over 3 1/2 decades old now, how many times did someone from the investigation ever contact her with any type of status? Her answer was less than 5 and could only name three times. They were 1st dealing with Norberg being exhumed in Wyoming, another with Detective Gray with some type of interview (She never returned to this to explain) and thirdly the special announcement of Jessica Cooper presenting a new suspect being Arch Sloan. This was a one-day in advance notice over the phone on her answering machine from Detective Miller before it made the news. She heard rumors that the hair found related to Sloan was originally from Mark and someway and somehow ‘resurfaced’ in recent times. A further rumor was mentioned to Debbie that the hair related to Sloan’s Pontiac is in fact old information from a police report from the late 90s and was nothing really new at all. Debbie expressed that she felt the case has no hope of ever getting solved unless the FBI took over. She expressed an independent source outside of both Wayne or Oakland County is needed. Her basic theme that she started her discussion in this interview was repeated where the Department of Justice would have to take over and it would be passed onto the FBI eventually which is a subdivision of the Department of Justice. Debbie was asked about her possible babysitter connections to possible suspects. Especially the possible link if Gunnels may had been a boy friend to one of Kristine’s baby sitters. She felt that there is probably no link to Gunnels in this way but stated her baby sitters were never looked into at the time much like everything else that was ignored in this case. She did ask a question to us over the possibility if John (Helen’s John) may have had any pedophile tendencies? Debbie admitted that she never bought into the pedophile angle completely, which some believe completely surrounds the case, and shared her thoughts on this. TO BE CONTINUED

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HD Archives goes directly to the heart of the matter with the victim’s family members. This is the fourth part of a four part series with an exclusive interview with Kristine Mihelich’s mom, Deborah Jarvis. She speaks right from the heart with her personal and up close discussions. In this final conclusion to Debbie’s interview, she admits that she has no idea after all these years what really happen to Kristine on that dreadful day. She has no idea if Kristine ever made it to the Seven-Eleven store. She has been told so many different variations of things that nothing stands out more than anything else. She was even told that Kristine was seen talking to a cop at the bowling alley the daay, it’s difficult for witnesses to ever make a connection to begin with. Debbie continues to ask the question why no one will talk to her? What information has the investigation really received? She concludes that with the Bob thing being as off the wall crazy as it may seem, that it was one of those things where you really had to been there. This video concludes with highlights of Bob’s phone conversation with OCCK authorities. Helen Dagner does not share the same views or support any of the claims that Bob has made. All communication with Bob has suddenly ended leaving Deborah holding the bag and he remains anonymous in silence today. So much for someone having all the answers to these crimes.

[Helen Dagner]

Spidey’s Testimony
Witness to Jill’s Bike

After a two-year break, HD Archives returns with more videos.

This first one details the mystery of Jill’s bike and how it came into the police possession. Using the screen name ‘Spidey’ his true story of riding Jill’s bike along with a friend has been around the internet for years but this is the first time he speaks up about the incident. Being only 9 years old at the time, he was never suppose to hang out around Woodward but he did. His mom would have killed him if she ever knew the truth even today. Him and his friend found a girl’s bike leaning against a tree in the middle of the Woodward medium unattended by anyone and decided to ride it home. After a short ride they decided that it wasn’t right and left the bike behind a building (28168 Woodward Ave.) They notified the person inside this building of the suspicious bike, which in turn this clerk called the police about it. At this time it was just a stolen bike and the importance of it was unknown until days later by anyone including the police. The police recovery of exactly where this bike was recovered was lost back then and was never really recorded correctly. In fact the very information about the bike’s recovered whereabouts in the Royal Oak newspaper days later was totally wrong. In fact the location given in the newspaper (East of Jill’s home and in downtown area) never made any real sense relative to her home and Woodward Avenue. The police didn’t know the significance of the bike until Karol Robinson came to identify it. Then the Royal Oak police turned the bike over to the Troy police. Even today the myths of where Jill’s bike was found varies as much as there are OCCK suspects. Folklore has it that the bike was even recovered by police right at Tiny Tim’s Hobby Shop at 13 Mile and Woodward, which is the most unlikely place! Had it been true, there would have been all kinds of witnesses and the case would have been solved long ago. Spidey did try to contact Detective Cory Williams in 2007 to set the record straight about Jill’s bike as he was nudged by Helen to come forward. That did not go over well though with Mr. Williams as too many years has passed for the cold case and no one cares about establishing any concrete facts about this case anyway. Old official records of where the police thought the bike was recovered in Royal Oak cannot be challenged with new information. Things simply do not work that way in police work! Plus they are still too busy chasing Ted and Chris shadows from the Cass Corridor and Fox Island connections. Does Spidey’s fingerprints really match to any type of trace on Jill’s bike? Very likely the answer is ‘Yes’ if there was ever any real forensics done on it but I guess the world will never know! Perhaps Jill’s bike was even lost in police storage through the years and the data taken from it is probably buried forever just like the victims?

[Helen Dagner]

****Greg’s Report
An Editorial on OCCK
Part 1

He goes by the screen name ‘Greg’ and he has been corresponding with Helen for years. Hear his side of the story as he has built up a case. It was a well kept secret for years as he personally spoke to Mike Cox the Michigan Attorney General at the time over the matter and eventually to the Michigan State Police. He eventually submitted a detailed report to the police. Now HD Archives gets to share his editorial on the subject with the public along with his discussions he had. This is the first part of a three part series covering Greg’s report. Hear him speak up for the first time over John being a suspicious suspect and the investigation. Greg goes over his first correspondence over the case with Todd Matthews and Helen. In 2007 he met Mike Cox at a Michigan State championship High School football game where he discussed John being a suspicious suspect. This led to an investigation with the Michigan State Police driving around Birmingham where
John’s old residence was and the water tower area with him where the tower once stood when the Anthony Mitchell incident occurred.

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He goes by the screen name ‘Greg’. Hear his side of the story as he has built up a case. It was a well kept secret for years as he personally spoke to Mike Cox the Michigan Attorney General at the time over the matter and eventually to the Michigan State Police. He eventually submitted a detailed report to the police. Now HD Archives gets to share his editorial on the subject with the public along with his discussions he had. This is the second part of a three part series covering Greg’s report. He summarizes the strange coincidences surrounding John’s old neighborhood. As he puts it, ‘the incredible odds’ of Anthony Mitchell’s accident (GM exec’s son), Chris Busch suicide (Another GM excec’s son) and John McKinney’s murder all demonstrate an eerie strangeness to a Birmingham landscape setting. Not typical for the area but it all seems to be following John and his family ties. He covers John’s motive of being a black sheep to
Birmingham and society. Greg also questions the conflict of the contradicting findings, mainly the autopsy reports of the victims that can’t settle on common results. The video will demonstrate the fault with the ones that propose that Gregory Greene (Chris Busch sidekick) is the OCCK sketch. It simply does not match due to the basic hairline feature while John’s own history of his hair-part matches perfectly with the sketch until the time the sketch became known in the newspapers. Then suddenly John’s hairstyle completely changes after more than 10 years! Greg concludes with John’s brother Mike being suspicious as well with some type of involvement. The video replays the screen captures of mystery YouTuber, MJH1922, which apparently was accidentally logged on when viewing Helen’s video creating a favorable video playlist making him Helen’s biggest fan by mistake. MJH happens to be Mike’s initials (MJH) and the closest to dad who was born
in 1922. MJH1922 has mysteriously disappeared from all YouTube accounts and the internet in a brief time. Pretty much how Mike miraculously vanished from Birmingham area before his school year ended right after the murders took place.

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He goes by the screen name ‘Greg’. Hear his side of the story as he has built up a case. It was a well kept secret for years as he personally spoke to Mike Cox the Michigan Attorney General at the time over the matter and eventually to the Michigan State Police. He eventually submitted a detailed report to the police. Now HD Archives gets to share his editorial on the subject with the public along with his discussions he had. This is the third part of a three part series covering Greg’s report. Greg goes into his own theory that perhaps John was spelling his last name when deciding where to abduct his victims and where to drop them off. It’s just as good of a theory as anything else when it comes down to it. Just as good as Dr Bruce Danto’s theories, which by the way John did include his name on the maps that he drew at Big Boy for Helen. The wild theory of spelling his name seems to go along with the bold claim that he made to Helen that his
last name was on the brand of barrel that shot Jill. Just as much as explain the odd Gill Road that was way in the distance and perhaps the strangeness of picking I75. He points out the suspicion of John’s whole family and the seclusion that they have chosen through the years. The very strangeness points to suspicions of hiding something and the FOIA papers on John covering interviews with John’s family and acquaintances seems make it all the more apparent. The point being that not only did John play the part of the OCCK killer to Helen at Big Boy but the whole family still seems to play the role of knowing it many years later. There is most definitely a family secret or two hidden behind this! Just ask them when and how John got to Europe in the 70s. You will get many different answers on police records and none of them will agree with each other. Greg brings up the investigation he did on the story John told Helen about being at a Detroit Tiger
baseball game on Tim’s birthday and Mark ‘The Bird’ Fidrych was pitching. Baseball records show that he did indeed pitch on that very same day. Greg suggesting that John may be tied to Tim through little league baseball someway.

[Helen Dagner]