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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 24, 2014 6:55:37 GMT -5
Helen, is there anyway you could inquire on a FOIA request? Simply state that you want the document that the FBI guy is summarizing from when he states that Jill's bike was recovered at Tiny Tims in King's DVD. Maybe they will send a police report to you. I think we all would like to see that one! Stan Note:I have a FOIA request out for that information and a lot of other request....here is the problem,basically what the FOIA papers are-is an accounting of someones...and it could be anyone-just stating that the topic was discussed...and everyone puts a different twist on what they assume to be the facts,so there really is no legal truth to anything said in the FOIA Documents,you have to really research it all down and when you do you find out there is little truth to any of the documents, however I will post what I get in...and we will take it from there....
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 24, 2014 11:12:20 GMT -5
Helen, I'm glad you ran the cars,they don't look anything a like,so for someone to even think that the woman who spotted the Gremlin,could possibly have seen a Blue Vega with a white strip,is crazy. But how convenient,that Busch had a Vega,right? Do they have any proof at all about Busch? So far all I have heard is a lot of twisting,assuming and people trying to fit Busch to these crimes,and they need to face the facts,Busch does not in anyway fit!!! Tony
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 24, 2014 11:15:18 GMT -5
Helen,The cars were a nice touch,you do very good on your graphic. Jay
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 24, 2014 11:18:07 GMT -5
Helen,I think the blow up on Busch really puts this in perspective,no child would have gone with him,except for street kids that were use to his game. Dale
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 24, 2014 11:20:50 GMT -5
What can i say Helen? Your graphics,are amazing and they sure keep these cases a live and interesting. Bev
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 25, 2014 2:14:58 GMT -5
This is the note that we have sent out to book stores in Michigan. Please help.
If you have any books of Little House on the Prarie that are 'inscribed' in any way with a person's name or something personal in it, please contact Helen Dagner. We're looking for a particular book that may have been a victim of a murder that was sold in Alpena Michigan in 1992. If a book is inscribed please give us the details.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 25, 2014 2:22:20 GMT -5
Robert,this is the kid from the water tower death, His parents, William L. Mitchell, lived at 420 Martell Drive Bloomfield Hills. That's just down the road from where Covington Middle School is now. Martell runs off of Quarton, which is 16 mile rd. Anthony could easily cross Quarton and ride his bike on side streets all the way though Bloomfield Village to John's house/the water tower less than a mile away. Note: So yes he lived very close to you. John's Mother said in her Police Interview that he would come to their house often and play the piano for her.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 25, 2014 2:27:39 GMT -5
Matt, these were all the distants from Johns house Mark: Distance from where taken: 9 Mile Rd. Ferndale 11 miles, 22 mins, Ferndale Police Distance to drop: 10 Mile & Greenfield Rd: 8.4 miles, 15 mins, Southfield Police Jill: Distance from where taken: 13 Mile at Woodward: 5.1 miles, 10 mins, Royal Oak Police Distance to drop: On I -75: About 5 miles 10 min, Troy Police Kristine: Distance from where taken: 12 mile and Greenfield Rd: 6.2 miles, 13 mins, Berkley Police Distance to drop: Bruce Lane, 13 mile and Telegraph Rd: 3 miles, 6 mins, Franklin Police Tim: Distance from where taken: 15 Mile at Woodward: 2.6 miles, 5 mins, Birmingham Police Distance to drop: 8 mile Rd at Farmington: 13 miles, 22 mins. Livonia Police, Wayne Co.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 25, 2014 2:35:54 GMT -5
Ron,John knew about DNA when he was a child of 11,one cop who interviewed him even told me,that most Law Enforcement did not even know what DNA was in the seventy's, so he was really impressed with Johns knowledge of forensics and to answer your question Ron, why would John have a collection of books about latent prints..how to pass a polygraph-how to change your identity,with out leaving a paper trail--and many books on forensics...and how would he know Jill's book was inscribed? -John had motive-means and opportunity-In checking a peretual calander,he was off work or unemployed on the dates of every pick up,murders,and drop off--How could he have a passport that showed he was out of the country on the date of one childs death?..because he had two of them-i saw them..and he told me one was fake-and then there were the letters,were he ordered the passport-and was going to go into the 2nd passport business. Then there is his alibi..his brother?I think they should ask ,the brother if he will take a polygraph ...or what about the sister,that called John before he went for the poly-and said-get out of there...before they find out the family secret...maybe she would take one too...about her knowledge of these events...and what about his mom--who told me she babysitted for John in the 70's...John had NO children at that time.....there's MORE
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 25, 2014 2:49:55 GMT -5
Do I think Danto was involved or knew of these murders,a lot more than he let on? Well there was a reason that Kris was dropped off on Bruce Lane, of course, and two really weird things stand out. First, the guy went to the Ferndale PD and offered his services as well as his belief that Mark's murder was the work of a serial killer. Well, if Mark was the first victim, why would he make such a statement? Maybe because he was treating the killer and KNEW or had serious reason to suspect that Jane Allen (and possibly others) was also a victim of this killer? The counter-argument is that he was just speculating just based on the fact that these other murders (of teenagers) had occurred in Oakland County. Danto was convinced that the killer left Kristine's body on Bruce Lane in order to personally confront him because of his involvement.
Second, and I find this really strange, when Danto appeared on t.v. to speak when Tim was missing, he was supposed to have given a subliminal message to the killer using the word "echo." They were hoping to goad the killer into leaving Tim's body on Echo Road in Bloomfield Township, and officers were assigned to stake out that road. Instead, Danto referred to the killer as a "squirrel." This suggested Squirrel Road, and the cops apparently had to quickly change course and stake out Squirrel Road. Now I don't know for a fact that Danto did not run this "squirrel" business by some of the task force before saying that on t.v., but my impression was that the guy did this on his own and the cops were caught off-guard.
So, (stick with me here--I know I sound crazy)--he subs in Squirrel Road for Echo Road, knowing that the area referenced in the note in Jane's pocket had relevance and that the killer would know that. In other words, the cops are going to figure out Jane's murder was involved, too, so give up because you are in too deep.
The guy isn't going to breach the doctor-patient privilege, but his patient doesn't know that for sure, so Danto gets close enough to the investigation to send a warning to the killer. The weak link in my speculation is that Danto might have found a way to breach the privilege if he knew who the killer was. But that is very debatable.
Danto then goes on to write/edit (with others) a book called The Human Side of Homicide. The book contains a compilation of the writings of numerous people, including Danto, who opens up the book with "A Psychiatric View of Those Who Kill." He ends by saying:
"This material clearly illustrates the fact that many violent and homicidal persons give early warning signs through their behavior. In my experience, these individuals are usually psychotic and usually suffering from either a schizophrenic reaction or paranoid type of personality trait disturbance. They are asking for help from others and communicating their need for control. When a homicide occurs, it is because that help and control has not been forthcoming and their cry for help has been unheard and unmet.
From my discussion, it is apparent that there have been many approaches to studying the psychological and psychodynamic factors in those who kill. Among those of us who deal with killers, study them, and treat them there has been a considerable move away from classical and traditional medical, psychiatric, and social models. Despite many insights that have developed from such research, there has been precious little money, talent or time devoted to this growing problem concerning the killer in society. . . . "
In a chapter called "Survivors of Homicide," he specifically notes that people who are related to or emotionally involved with the killer are victims, too. Of course all of this can be explained away just based simply on his training (the shrink-cop combo); the guy was just opining about an area he had studied and become an expert in. But thinking about that area described in the note and the obvious proximity of Squirrel Road, it really made me think. Xxxxx =
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 25, 2014 3:33:26 GMT -5
This is from Johns Mothers Interview with Don Studt from the FOIA Documents- BLK 01616
the house was not vacant for very long. The house was sold by her husband sometime around the time she was divorced. She said she believed that happened in about 1977. About 9 months before that or so, the husband moved out.
She said that they never owned the house on Squirrel Road or any property up there. She is not aware that the husband owned any property up there. She said the family relationship was characterized as terrible. Her husband, every time anyone would make a comment, she would tell him to shut up, and they were just trying to start an argument. was very upset when his father moved out of the house. However, he did not take on the traditional male head of the household roles. She said he was always working. He worked in restaurants. He had a very hard time growing up. He had no friends that she knew of during high school or after high school. She kept reiterating that he was always working, primarily a cook at various restaurants.
She said that he did very poorly in school, although he graduated. He got beat up when he was at Brother Rice by some unknown boys and did not want to go back to school, but his father made him go to school. She recalls an incident with a friend named where they were required to go back to the school on Saturdays to clean toilets as a disciplinary measure. only hobbies were painting. She said he was a natural born artist. He was very talented. She recalls an incident when he was young where (she believes it was at Brother Rice) $50.00 worth of his oil paints were stolen. She said that this was one of the few times that she
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 25, 2014 14:25:45 GMT -5
Helen,Doing alright, question did Tim King die at night? Robert Note: Yes he did,the time line for Tim's death will be coming up in a post,very soon.I am hoping to have the original map before I post it as it has the time notation ,written by the killer-I'm having a lot of problems getting it,as it wasn't enter in the FOIA Documents and I'm told it no longer belongs to me,I gave it up freely...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 25, 2014 14:28:15 GMT -5
Helen,did you read the posts on Cathy's site today? Jim Note: I did,and thought it was a good read.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 25, 2014 14:35:08 GMT -5
Helen,since you read the post,tell me what you think that Mikes problem is? Sue Note: I'm thinking he is a Les Martin wanabe,I know he looks just like him.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Feb 25, 2014 14:43:58 GMT -5
Helen,the other guy who did all the posting,everything he had written sounded just like John,I notice that in all his posts. He has described his feelings about this case,just like you would if you were writing about John. So how does Cathy think he is helping her conspiracy theory ?? Any way it was interesting and refreshing to read something of value on her site. Normally I don't finish any of her posts because REDACTED REDACTED REDACTED Ben
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