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Post by Casual Observer on Jan 10, 2014 10:09:23 GMT -5
The first time I read the narrative above it didn't sit well. A passport is not going to show anything beyond Busch arriving back in the states via New York. There is no call to even show a passport beyond the entry into the US so the cop that checked out this claim and verified it using the passport either did not detail where else he went to confirm the route or it was shoddy work. The same goes for checking John's passport. It was a cursory glance that lead to an acceptance of his alibi which still doesn't sit well. I don't believe that anyone followed the claim to its true conclusion -- it was just easier and more reasonable to believe John. I am crawling back into my cave now
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jan 10, 2014 19:40:16 GMT -5
The first time I read the narrative above it didn't sit well. A passport is not going to show anything beyond Busch arriving back in the states via New York. There is no call to even show a passport beyond the entry into the US so the cop that checked out this claim and verified it using the passport either did not detail where else he went to confirm the route or it was shoddy work. The same goes for checking John's passport. It was a cursory glance that lead to an acceptance of his alibi which still doesn't sit well. I don't believe that anyone followed the claim to its true conclusion -- it was just easier and more reasonable to believe John. I am crawling back into my cave now Hi Casual Observer, Thanks for taking the time to post your opinion,which is always respected.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jan 10, 2014 19:43:15 GMT -5
The passport is very important ,however not in the way we all thought through the years....I will catch you up on this soon. Helen
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jan 10, 2014 21:51:13 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jan 11, 2014 3:21:10 GMT -5
Helen, I just looked the guy in the Photos in the eyes, "Oakland County Child Killer~LOOK ME IN THE EYES AND TELL ME I WAS CLEARED!" and it instantly came to me,hey I know this guy,I worked at the auto plant with him for at least 10 yrs! I have been reading your sites for longer than that and not once did I make the connection,so it really is the eyes! Mark L.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jan 12, 2014 9:03:26 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jan 13, 2014 1:23:40 GMT -5
Helen, I wish you would put your photos up of the Busch Home as they are so much better. Tess Note we mite save them until we post the info,as most of what we will be talking about is in them and large enough for you to see,what went on.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jan 15, 2014 0:25:20 GMT -5
Occk Feedback~ IMAGES: Inside Christopher Busch's home ~Was The Theft Of Busch's Exculpatory Passport Motive For His Murder? Some LE Ponder That As Investigation Into His Staged Suicide Takes New Turn »
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jan 15, 2014 0:45:51 GMT -5
So you say there is a cover -up in the child murders-? Then please quit your whining and show us your proof-or at least name your Puppet Master,who so diabolically, was pulling all these strings for all of these years! Tell us who is the Mastermind who is behind all of this BS??? Index Header ~Occk Feedback~Interference and wild speculation from conspiracy theorists? Enough Already!!!There was no cover -up In Oakland County Child Murders!!! So There Are People Who Just Need To Get Over This!!! * Note I do have a post to go with this~Hang in there
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jan 16, 2014 3:34:17 GMT -5
Thanks Sgt. I just knew you would have all those post.I bet you didn't think after 10 years of this crap,you would still be saving everything posted about me.lol I do Thank You, and for going the extra mile and matching them with the truth...and for putting them all in a file! So many of them she deleted or had someone delete,but you caught them ALL! Your the MAN!!! I owe you Buddy!!!
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jan 16, 2014 4:40:23 GMT -5
Oh My!! I do-not know why so many of you can not understand this-What Cathy posts on her Blog~ Is Cathy's business-If you don't like it-just stop reading it-personally,I don't agree with a lot of what she says,but she has the right to say what she believes.I just can not wrap my head a round why so many of you write me about Cathy,she has a comment area,and I feel very confident that she would welcome your posts on what ever subject you want to comment on . You know, what some of you fail to realize and I mean this about all of the families,not just the Kings...These Families have the right to approach these cases as they feel in their Heart,that it will do the most good-They have lost a Son or Daughter, Sister or Brother...to MURDER!!!-They think about it everyday-they wonder what happen? It goes over and over in their mind,did they suffer? Did they cry to go home? How and why were they abducted? Did they go willingly? Why can't these cases be solved? Who would do this? They want to know ...WHO KILLED Mark,Jill,Kris and Tim !!!! Think of that before you write me again!!!!
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jan 17, 2014 1:10:26 GMT -5
Investigation busts online sex abuse ring targeting children in Philippines www.cnn.com/2014/01/16/world/europe/britain-philippines-child-sex-abuse/index.html?hpt=hp_t2The problem that I have with this story is that in the details- it says that 733 suspects WORLDWIDE have been arrested since they started busting online pedophile groups, and yet trafficking and sex exploration of child is a PANDEMIC. Always wanted to be commended for the job they do- I just can’t herald these attempts when considering the number of children being abused- worldwide as well as in the US. The NSA and Obama got in trouble for eavesdropping on the American people- just as Rupert Murdoch eavesdropped on the UK- so you would think that they could use this information to deter crime- but instead they are just using the info to target normal individuals. This tells me that the MONEY that is behind all of this must be vast- and that the real men behind most of this pandemic are POWERFUL- since no one seems to be focusing on the core of this problem. Reports such as this on CNN are meant to appease people and make them think that something is being done when in actuality- very little is being done to curb the overall problem. Again- I think that much of this problem stems from our institutions of higher learning and with their connections to non profit child organizations- like the one that Jerry Sandusky set up. I believe this is what Ray Gricar discovered when he was investigating Penn State- and what Aaron Swartz discovered when he downloaded the files that were connected to MIT. I KNOW that Boystown- THE Catholic boys institution, was involved with what was happening in Omaha up until the late 80s, early 90s= so to say that there isn’t a history of this activity is just plain wrong. However- NO ONE is looking into these connections- and we STILL have a pandemic of child sexual exploitation the likes of which the world has never experienced before. I think the strongest factor in all of this is that the general public DOESN’T CARE IN THE LEAST. Acting outraged at first- our society quickly becomes disinterested when given time- and this is why none of this has been effectively dealt with. Getting stories such as the one above from CNN- we are accustomed to become complacent- believing that something is being done- when in fact precious little has been done to deter this problem in any real way. This, in my opinion- needs to desperately change if any real work is to be done on this situation. If the NSA can listen to so many average people’s phone calls and such-then they can POLICE THE WEB- and do a better job than what is being done to protect and serve our children- WHICH IS WHAT THEY ARE PAID TO DO!! They are, after all, public servants- as it is OUR tax dollars that pay their salaries. We, as a society- must always keep this in mind, which ends my rant for this morning. David Shurter
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jan 17, 2014 13:39:17 GMT -5
Saturday, May 13, 2006 7:31 PM
From: "Cathy Broad" To: Bingotank@aol.com
I have to dwell on all of this for a while, Helen. I will send you my thoughts on this and you can decide whether or not to post. I honestly don't know how you have hung in there for this long. I have lived with such tremendous loss, but I really never really gave a thought to the police and the investigation. I just assumed they were doing everything they could. The degree of frustration must be almost unbearable. If there can't be any justice in these cases, I hope there is at least poetic justice for you and your efforts somewhere along the line. Thank you for keeping the memory of these four beautiful children alive and for telling not only John's story, but the story of your attempts to get LE to take notice. I have this horrible feeling that John was ditched as a suspect simply because of the polygraph and the passport, both things that could have been challenged. Someone interviewing him years later would not even necessarily see the John who committed these crimes. Two lessons for law enforcement are the importance of flexible thinking and the danger of assumptions, especially in a case as bizarre as this. John may not be the killer, but of everything I have read, this makes the most sense. He must be laughing his ass off (unless his status as a born-again prevents that sort of thing). I also have to give this some more thought, but I still think you should sell your story somehow. If it was told in the right manner, it would be an important look at how crimes (especially pre-DNA testing) sometimes remain unsolved. There is also a really important story about how you have gotten blown off. I do think during the initial years the cops gave it their all--it just, for a wide variety of reasons, wasn't good enough. This latest spectacle has been nothing short of prideless and I resent the use of taxpayer dollars to have some cops looking at kiddie porn all day before making sure they checked and double-checked every single "coincidence" you have uncovered with John's situation.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jan 18, 2014 10:11:50 GMT -5
occkfilm.com/ anyone know what happen here?? No word since Oct. 2012???
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jan 18, 2014 12:57:36 GMT -5
occkfilm.com/ anyone know what happen here?? No word since Oct. 2012??? Hi Helen. Your question in the OCCK feedback regarding this post: occkfilm.com/ anyone know what happen here?? No word since Oct. 2012??? I emailed Jim Killean last year and he replied back saying their film project had run out of funding. As far as J. Reuben Appleman's book, he emailed me 18 months ago stating that the manuscript was being reviewed. Anything else going on? Greg
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