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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 12, 2013 3:27:14 GMT -5
Helen,Did you know that the garage that Sloan did his mechanic work at is where that Jim Hagerdy a former Firer Fighter hung out every day? Michael Miller Note: Yes,I did know that. Hi Helen, I hope all is well with you. Just a question, who is Jim Hagerdy? I had never heard his name mentioned before. Can you shed some light? Is “Hagerdy” the correct spelling or is it really “Haggerty”? Any LE or Justice Dept. folks been in contact with you lately? Thanks. Greg Note: It is Haggerty-and yes,I have been contacted by both.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 16, 2013 7:54:00 GMT -5
Helen, For a number of years I have had more than a passing interest in your postings, now with the Occk videos, I am a very loyal reader of anything Occk. I really believe everything that you have said about John and the Oakland County Child Murders. I must say that I do not understand other things that have been written on the Internet, like the Busch claims,I went through everything I could find this week end on Busch and the King's claims and really there is nothing that supports any of their claims. IMO Busch had nothing to do with these Child Murders and I thank you and your staff for clarifying this. I also want to Thank Deb Jarvis, Spidey and Greg, for there honesty on the Occk videos. Keep up the good work! Don Tomalka
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 16, 2013 11:44:17 GMT -5
Helen, that bottom feeder is back on Topix and says Tim never went to a Tiger ball game,I can remember you posting from one of his friends who went with him on his Birthday. Dan Schuch -Boy you have been with us a while -yes it was 2007 when he posted on out of state newspaper--this is what I ran about it---- From: "Cathy Broad" <cathybroad To: Bingotank@aol.com
This has to be a buddy of Tim's who lived a few doors down from us. They were classmates from 1st grade forward, played baseball together and ran around the neighborhood together (back when kids actually could run around their neighborhood). He was a sweet kid. I found his remarks very touching.
On Dec 12, 2007, at 12:00 PM, Bingotank@aol.com wrote:
> From a Cleveland newspaper. > Has it really been 30 plus years since my neighbor and best friend Timothy King was kidnapped and murdered? I remember the night Timmy was kidnapped like it happened yesterday... And I remember what it was like to be a young boy who was forced to grow up beyond his years in the matter of a few days back in March of 1977. To this day my life has been shockingly been altered by this experience. Even today as a 43 year old I still struggle to deal with the death of a person close to me. I run and hide from death today just like I did when they found Timmy's body in that roadside ditch over 30 years ago. > If this Ted guy is the killer, then may he rot in hell for an eternity for having taken away not just the innocence of his victims, but also the innocence of a generation. This guy has been found guilty and sentenced to life for hideous sex crimes against children. The time has come for closure for those of us still impacted by these crimes. > Karen, if Ted is a "friend" of yours then I'd urge you to contact that friend and plead for him to come clean, to submit DNA samples, to submit to a polygraph. Guilty or Innocent there are some of us out here that would like to have closure. > If someone will post where this person is imprisoned and how I can write him, I'll join you in asking him to come clean before he dies and those of us who remain are denied the closure that we seek. > Rest in peace Timmy, I still remember you... I still remember sunnier days playing baseball for the Oaks, going to Tigers games on our birthdays, and playing hockey in my back yard. > Comment by Adam — August 15, 2007 @ 09:16PM
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 19, 2013 15:23:56 GMT -5
Helen Dagner ,Teri Lampron has viewed your profile,Date 2 days ago
Legal Assistant
Location Saint Clair Shores, Michigan Industry Legal Services
Date 2 days ago Note: Stay away from this Gal Friday-She has been stalking me for months now,just like the old Yahoo group members ,Les and Kdogg did-for 8 years-she has Harassed me with incorrect info,she has excess ed every acct. of mine that she could break into,and she still doesn't realize she is on a train to NO where-I however have gotten the scoop on this gal-Now today she post on Topix what she processed to be a whopper I told on the internet-lots of luck with that Terri-I* will say this one more time -you will never find one thing I have ever posted on the Internet that is not true-as every statement I have ever made in 22+ years can be backed up-you are so obsessed with me-that you spend your days and nights trying to find some thing to discredit me---when you could use that time to find a job as a Legal assistant-instead of boasting that you are one-You haven't worked for Rubinstein Iasaca Pc-since you got the boot at the end of April-Personally-I do not see how you could even hold a job as a legal assistant-your work is just not accurate,you have no common sense,your not able to read and understand the written word-no wonder no one wants to employ you -your disgusting besides-not to mention a Pathological Liar -and if you were a professional,you wouldn't be posting,the kind of stupid BS that you are on Topix- and bragging that your smarter than me--Will see Terri,bring it all on-I just have a few more people to talk to about you-* All this because you can not be involved in the Occk cases?
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 19, 2013 16:34:42 GMT -5
Girl Friday
Roseville, MI
#20388 2 hrs ago Speaking of whoppers, here's a good one:
"Posted by Helen Dagner on Jul 28, 2011, 2:40am Now this is a little freaky-I am working on John's Time line -and I get to 1980- 1985- and find that both John and I lived in Lake Orion at the very same time-and he worked at General Motors In Pontiac at the very plant that I would visit three times a day-and since I had the first spot in the parking lot were the workers had to come out that gate he would have had to pass by my car-many many times...small world isn't it?"
Yet it's a documented fact that Helen told LE she never lived in Oakland County!
So which is it? Did Helen live in Oakland County in the 80s and, unlike anybody else who lived there, somehow escape having any knowledge of the Oakland County child killings; or did Helen actually lie to investigators in the 1990s (after she turned John in)?
Either way, a very interesting whopper, indeed.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 19, 2013 17:10:39 GMT -5
Lol Jack,those are some new words that I never heard before-,but I'm not gong to run your post about Teri Lampron,in fact I'm not going to take any Feedback on her-I don't have time to read it,I just told Deb yesterday that I wouldn't be running the rest of the feedback on hers and Greg's videos,because they were causing so much envy from others,what do you think set this Teri off? This very thing....It is such a few days before Christmas,I have to wonder why anyone would even want to get involved in this mess?? I have no time myself,so shutting this gal up-will be a behind the scene,deal for me--and it will be after the Holidays,I will write a lot of emails and letters to people who need the information that has been given to me,so they don't find their self in the same boat with her,other than that,I'm not going to rent her any space in my Brain,all my readers know what she is and how she brought what was left of the Topix forum down,I know they won't even go there to read ,for fear she will get a hold of their Internet IP, so I think most people are aware that she is the only one posting there-no matter how many different screen names show up,it is all Terri---By the way Jack,have a great Holiday and thanks for the card,it was very funny!!!
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Post by Reasoning on Dec 19, 2013 20:37:41 GMT -5
Girl Friday Roseville, MI #20388 2 hrs ago Speaking of whoppers, here's a good one: "Posted by Helen Dagner on Jul 28, 2011, 2:40am Now this is a little freaky-I am working on John's Time line -and I get to 1980- 1985- and find that both John and I lived in Lake Orion at the very same time-and he worked at General Motors In Pontiac at the very plant that I would visit three times a day-and since I had the first spot in the parking lot were the workers had to come out that gate he would have had to pass by my car-many many times...small world isn't it?" Yet it's a documented fact that Helen told LE she never lived in Oakland County! So which is it? Did Helen live in Oakland County in the 80s and, unlike anybody else who lived there, somehow escape having any knowledge of the Oakland County child killings; or did Helen actually lie to investigators in the 1990s (after she turned John in)? Either way, a very interesting whopper, indeed. Ursula, there was a time you had some great posts on Topix but you have really went on the deep end since then. It became obvious to me that no one on Topix wants to discuss basic facts and when it comes to the OCCK case. Of course it's hard to settle on exactly what the basic facts really are with all the conflicts of information and that includes the investigation of John as well. It is my understanding that Helen lived in Pontiac for a brief time. I believe the partial quote was meant to say that Helen never lived in Oakland County during the OCCK events. In fact I still lived up north when these events occurred as well in 1976-77. So what is your point again?
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 20, 2013 11:57:00 GMT -5
This is to notify you that this forum is scheduled to be upgraded to our new forum software, ProBoards v5, within the next few weeks.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 21, 2013 2:01:01 GMT -5
Hi Helen, The old "Yahoo" group doesn't mean anything to me. They all seem like knuckleheads. Even though the King family is wrong about Busch, they are entitled to their opinion. However, if I were them, I would sit back for a second and think. Helen, you have had your website's since1997 or so. Chris Busch wasn't even on the radar for you or the general public until at least 10 years later. Yet, YOUR suspect, John Hastings lived only 2-3 blocks away from Busch. WHAT ARE THE FREAKING' ODDS? All one has to do is look at a map of the Detroit area , with all the roads and see how many thousands of streets there are in the general vicinity. WHAT ARE THE ODDS that your suspect (Hastings) and their suspect (Busch) lived 2-3 blocks away from each other? ?!!!!!!!!!!!!! ?? I would think they'd be beating down the doors of LE to make sure Hastings is investigated THOROUGHLY. Hastings, based on the information he provided you (details, maps, etc.) certainly knew more about the OCCK cases (and Danto) than 99.99999% of the people living in the metro area. He could help solve it . I am hoping that the new task force leader, Denise Powell (?) is at least taking a look at the site videos/audio. Perhaps, after hearing what is said, they will take a deeper look into your website at some of the other information. ( Name withheld by Helen)
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 22, 2013 3:55:58 GMT -5
Thank You Helen,I knew before I clicked on your site tonight,that you would have a remembrance to Jill,as you have for so many years. I can remember back before you started posting on the Internet,there was nothing after 1980 and few posts before then,no one cared and no one remembered but you never forgot.I went to the other so called Oakland County Child Killer sites just now and they make me totally sick. That pervert was posting on Topix tonight about himself,like he always does and that "occk Ho" named Good Friday,was posting about green men and trying to tear you down,I notice in every post she has information about you that is not true,everyone knows you do not drink and never have. Everyone also knows that you didn't chase anyone away from that site all the people she listed were posting under other names and had been for a very long time. I know she thinks she is clever posting all that garbage,however can she be so stupid to not know what she looks like to the readers? This is a woman who is in her late 40's and she comes off like white trash.I do not get it,she has never done anything for the memory of these children and neither has that Les,and they have the stones to steal that forum from these four child victims? Goes to show you,just how low a couple of C-o-c-k-roaches will go. Well I wish them all the worst in there life,as they sure deserve it!! Sorry Helen,I got off the track,what I really wanted to say,is I thank you for all your 20 + years and also your staff,those videos are just the best ever! Jill's Classmate and Friend forever, (name withheld by Helen )
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 22, 2013 11:17:27 GMT -5
Helen, In honor of Jill, here comes Les. It makes sense, I guess. They were both shot. Only thing is that there is only one to tell about it. It is The Topix Mentality,who would expect more..they don't disappoint over there! Scott
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 22, 2013 11:23:09 GMT -5
Helen, I just don't understand how some still think these crimes were sexually motivated. I think we can safely assume that all four children were kidnapped by the same party, as a series of copycats is wildly improbable.. So then, this camp of believers thinks a brazzen pedophile(s) snatched two boys, sodomized them, killed them and dumped their bodies. The gaping hole and fatal flaw in their reasoning is that it doesn't explain the two girls being taken and NOT sodomized or penetrated. Mistaken identity regarding gender is out, because both Kristine and Jill were clearly girls and could not be confused for boys. So why were the girls taken, for practice? Who knows why the anal penetration of the boys, maybe the killer wanted symbolic reenact of his own molestation from earlier in his own life.. In many complicated, weird, and/or strange cases there often remain things that are always a mystery. Some details can't be explained by anyone except the monster who did it because he was acting out of his twisted mind with abnormal motives a normal person would never even imagine. That would explain why the girls were taken but not raped; it wasn't a sexually motivated crime. Xxxxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 22, 2013 11:32:13 GMT -5
Helen, Reasoning made her look like such a fool that she should delete about half of her posts to hide it. Don
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 22, 2013 11:35:04 GMT -5
Helen,Is she deleting all the posts she made from that job that she got fired from? Maybe there is some type of legal thing going on? Jack
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 23, 2013 6:24:17 GMT -5
Helen,MJH1922's only friend on YouTube from a couple years ago. Under the name CrazyWorld65 her name is Esther Prade and has many videos dealing with transexuals. One wonders if she really knows who MJ1922 was and what is the connection? Remember that MJH1922 also posted on some site about homosexuals being pointed out in the past. Dave www.ps3youtube.com/user/CrazyWorld65
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