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Post by Helen Dagner on Nov 26, 2013 1:22:10 GMT -5
Helen,How do you think the Kings did on the video? Scott Greensky -Note: I haven't a clue,no one even talks about it.Go over to Cathy's site and maybe the Info is there.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Nov 26, 2013 1:26:51 GMT -5
Helen,since Debs videos came out have you heard anything from the cops? Donna Blanchard Note: Well I had two calls from different police dept's on my caller list-however they did not leave messages,so I'm not going to call back,and say-hey did someone call me? If they have something to say...they will call back.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Nov 26, 2013 1:30:47 GMT -5
Helen,so what does Deb plan to do now? Will she continue to try and get these cases picked up by the Justice Dept? Robert Charchut Note: Well I don't see where she will be stopping,she wants to know who killed her daughter!
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Post by Helen Dagner on Nov 26, 2013 1:34:29 GMT -5
Helen, what is next on the videos? BN Weber-- Well we have three coming up from Greg,and he does a fantastic job with the details, I think you will find them,really interesting~
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 5, 2013 4:00:18 GMT -5
Helen,I really have enjoyed all of your videos and think that everyone did a great job of speaking from their heart,it would be great if Law Enforcement would do some follow up on their comments. It breaks my heart to think that LE has ignored Deb's request to contact her. In video #3 of Deb's she states " She has tried to contact Michigan State Police Detective Denise Powell and never gets a response of any type." Just who does this Denise Powell think she is? I would think it was her job to at least answer Deb and if for no other reason,it would be the moral thing to do! Kay Spicer
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 5, 2013 4:13:10 GMT -5
Helen,I just listen to Greg's video,you can sure tell he is a professional person and I think it is wonderful that he on his own made the presentation book on the Occk suspect and I bet he really doesn't have time to be doing this as he sounds like he has a real important job. He must care a lot for these victims and their family's,I guess that is what this case needs,more Greg's! I am looking forward to hearing part #2 and #3 from Greg. Tell your Team,they are doing a great Job of presenting the facts to us. Shirley Powers
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 5, 2013 4:27:27 GMT -5
Helen in Ms Jarvis' video #2 she covers the fact that police never questioned her family back in the day which has always struck her as very odd. Well she is not alone on this,I was shocked when I read this,did Deb ever mention to you if she herself had question them? I'm sure she was frustrated enough at one time or another wondering if they knew some thing she didn't have knowledge of and or if they were anyway involved. Gary Koenig
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 5, 2013 4:35:15 GMT -5
Note To Readers~ It would be nice if you could post your own feedback to this thread,you do not have to join you can post as quest-I know for the past twenty years we have always let you send your email posts in,however with my health issues I just can not seem to catch up on everything and at this time it is more important to me to be able to do the interviews and work on the videos-so that we get the truth out there. Thanks Helen
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Post by Reasoning on Dec 5, 2013 8:37:10 GMT -5
Great job on the videos Helen & team! Testing 1,2 & 3. My 1st time ever posting here ever on my own. I had always sent you emails instead. Let's see if this works.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 7, 2013 1:30:25 GMT -5
Helen, I only hope that someone in LE gets their "juices flowing" due to these recordings. We need an LE hero to help solve these cases once and for all. The victim's familes, the LE that worked on these cases for years and the community deserve better. Andrew
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Post by independence on Dec 7, 2013 22:48:09 GMT -5
I truly believe the killer fell right through the hands of the investigators. or maybe they just couldn't get anything to stick. the killer was obviously Christopher Busch who worked with Gregory Woodard Greene. both of whom have been guilty of child molestation and green was convicted to life in prison. before being convicted he told LE that busch killed stebbins. And isnt it ironic that a killer just stops killing. even when he craved for attention leaving bodies in well populated areas and taking the time to clean up the bodies. the suspect even gives the last meal to timmy king being the meal his mother said she would give to him if he came home and it was his favortie...fried chicken. Then the killing stops after the death of Busch.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 8, 2013 0:14:28 GMT -5
Helen,since Ruth Stebbins and Deb Jarvis were both bartenders did you ever ask Deb If she ever talked to Ruth about some of the people who they both mite have known from work? Did she ever ask Ruth who some of the people were that hung out at the ALHall? Did they exchange the names of their Boy friends? Did she know Ruths boyfriends name was Joesph Deragon? He was at the Hall the day Mark was abducted,his daughter Cheryl babysat for Mark. Ruth worked at the Bellinger House,did Deb know anyone from there? Ruth also went to the Neway and the Lamplighter,maybe Deb went there as well. I just think there could have been some connection that Ruth and Deb had. Garrett M. Note: Sorry but I never asked Deb any of those questions,all good ones too...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 8, 2013 0:39:58 GMT -5
I truly believe the killer fell right through the hands of the investigators. or maybe they just couldn't get anything to stick. the killer was obviously Christopher Busch who worked with Gregory Woodard Greene. both of whom have been guilty of child molestation and green was convicted to life in prison. before being convicted he told LE that busch killed stebbins. And isnt it ironic that a killer just stops killing. even when he craved for attention leaving bodies in well populated areas and taking the time to clean up the bodies. the suspect even gives the last meal to timmy king being the meal his mother said she would give to him if he came home and it was his favortie...fried chicken. Then the killing stops after the death of Busch. Hi Independence--This is what all my police buddy's say happened *What has caused the investigators to suffer from a collective loss of confidence is all the Red Herrings,Information overload and not finding that needle in the haystack-Then when the killer stopped that also overwhelmed the Task Force...they were ready if there would have just been more victims...then they mite have had more clues--But unlike other Serial Killers the OCCK just Stopped and the individual members of the police task force just looked at the four walls and all they could see was their own failure day after day--some actually long for the cases to just disappear.... You said-"Then the killing stops after the death of Busch."--*well that is not true-the killings stopped long before Busch' death--as for Chris having anything to do with these child killings.there is absolutely no proof that he did,unless of course you are hanging on to some knowledge that the rest of us do not have--care to share?
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 8, 2013 0:58:03 GMT -5
Helen,Did you know that the garage that Sloan did his mechanic work at is where that Jim Hagerdy a former Firer Fighter hung out every day? Michael Miller Note: Yes,I did know that.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Dec 8, 2013 11:12:29 GMT -5
My Written Statement- Urgent To Those Who Care About Me (David Shurter)
I just wanted to say that first of all I am in no way suicidal. In fact- after the past week- I am terrified of the concept.
Second – I was intentionally and systematically destabilized by a group of people that I truly believed were my friends at a time that I was incredibly vulnerable. Driven to the edge in every way- I was even assisted in trying to kill myself by Michael Bernard and Tracy Kristenson. Knowing what has transpired between us- I am afraid of these two and what they will do next.
I have been emotionally abused by Michael for years, and we are heavily in debt- and though Michael used to joke about those policies, I never thought he would intentionally try to drive me over the edge so that he could collect the proceeds as well as all our “stuff”. Financing my trip- and Tanner- who was with me- he did what he could to get me isolated and destabilized- intentionally trying to drive me over the edge. Even now he has not bothered to face me or talk to me.
I am not looking for revenge- but if anything should happen to me– I just want everyone to know that it will NEVER AGAIN BE TRIED BY MY OWN HAND.
I and those who love me believe I may be in grave danger. I hope not- but after all that has transpired- with them attempting to assist me in killing myself- I have no idea what could be next. Nor do those around me- which is why I have been compelled to write this post. David Shurter
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