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Post by Helen Dagner on May 21, 2013 1:19:29 GMT -5
Helen, You were right, Beaumont is at: 3601 W. Thirteen Mile Road Royal Oak, MI 48073; real close to 1537 W. 13 Mile Rd., the address you mentioned the other day. Total Estimated Time: 4 minutes Total Estimated Distance: 1.53 miles Ben
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 21, 2013 1:24:23 GMT -5
Hi Helen, Anything significant going on? I read the message boards daily and it seems to me that some are posting and making this case much more complicated than it really is. There seems to be a lot of speculation where people are putting 2+2 together and getting 3. Coming up with street names for the next victim, etc is just not plausible. Also, if the OCCK killed the young Canton girl, then it blows up John's motive all together. I believe the story you have told from the beginning. John kidnapped and murdered these kids to get back at society and his parents. He had the means and the time to do it having access to the second home and a car. He only dumped the body of Tim King off in Livonia because he felt the heat in Oakland County and for some reason knew that area. Were other members of his family involved? Possibly? Was there an accomplice? Possibly. However, that may be tough to prove since John never mentioned any involvement by others to you (at least as far as I know). I still think the possible partial fingerprint on Kristine's jacket is the best chance to solve this case since LE wants hard evidence; not what they consider hearsay. If I were King for a Day, (or OCCK task force member) I go to John residence and question him once and for all and ask why he knows so much. Give him another lie detector test and ask him if he told the information Helen claims he told her, etc. Then, question the family; Give them all a lie detector. Then, question the siblings, etc.. If they honestly did that and found no evidence nor suspicion that John was involved, I'd be willing to move on to the next suspect or Oakland County perverts, etc. What would it hurt to question John and the family again? Ps- I still think the Little League hockey connection at the Eden rink may be a smoking gun. March is still hockey season in Michigan. Xxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 21, 2013 1:30:28 GMT -5
Helen, I found a face book site that said this. "This Group has been created to help inform people about the case of Debbie Jarvis v. Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica R. Cooper and seven other defendants filed in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Michigan on April 23, 2012. It is for people interested in seeing that justice is done. It is for people who think publicly elected officials should be accountable to the people they represent. It is for people that like transparency in government -- the way it is supposed to be." What I didn't find was much about Deb Jarvis, I had hope there would be something from her about her daughter Kris,But it was all about Tim. Rita
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 21, 2013 1:48:46 GMT -5
In case you are looking for this post-This is under Construction~ **After 20 plus years,I still haven't made the connection,But, my gut tells me that John knew Mr. King~ Oakland County Child Killer Note: I wasn't able to get into this file today,and tonight I am just to exhausted to even read it-so It will be a bit before I get this up,as I want to see what I have on this ...before I post it~
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 21, 2013 1:51:07 GMT -5
The Photo of the Medical Building-does anyone remember a Gas Station being next to it -in March 1977?? If so would you Email me that Info...
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 22, 2013 1:11:16 GMT -5
Yup. Helen, That's our wonder boy, Mike.
I still think that the "still shot" of Mikey in front of that red car in Miami resembles the front-on look of the OCCK. The left eye of the wanted poster appears a little bit centered to the left as is Mike's photo.
Keep the faith and keep me posted! JJ
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 22, 2013 1:16:20 GMT -5
Helen, Question - when they told him John is "under surveillance", what do you think that specifically means? Are they watching his every move??? If yes, it has to be costly for the police so I think it would mean, if true that we are getting close to an arrest??? Robert *Note: I do not believe anything any investigator on these cases have to say!
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 22, 2013 1:18:52 GMT -5
Helen, This discussion about a room upstairs...perhaps John was referring to the fact that he was in the basement most of the time but went upstairs (which would be the 1st floor) to watch TV, play games, etc.. Just a thought. Matt
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 22, 2013 1:24:02 GMT -5
Helen, The primary question I would ask John is:
If a person became a born-again Christian can they be absolved of all their sins ? Or must they repent and confess over past sins (eg. murder)? Dale
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 22, 2013 1:29:28 GMT -5
Message to John:
John, if you're reading this and I know you are, do the right thing. Come clean and confess. Tell your real story to Law Enforcement. Perhaps you had mental problems at the time (and maybe still have issues). Let the proper authorities and counselors take a look at your situation. You won the game - you beat the Task Force and have outsmarted them for over 36 years. Congratulations.
Believe me, God will love you for telling the truth and helping the victim's families and the community finally get closure. You will get salvation from God...but only if you come clean. Please confess. I'd love to hear your story directly from you. Xxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 22, 2013 11:51:03 GMT -5
Helen, Thanks. Boy, I have to go in my “way back” machine but I think there used to be a gas station on the other side of Maple (south side) at the corner with Adams. To be honest, I don’t recall the medical building All I can see is that it looks familiar. I moved away from that side of town in 1970 when I went off to college. I returned to the Detroit area in 1976 but have lived on the west side of town since then.Scott
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 22, 2013 11:53:47 GMT -5
Helen, Don’t know about that. Sorry. Based on what I have learned from you, I believe that John may have known Tim or possibly someone in his family. Is there any chance that Mr. King worked on the Hastings divorce case? I wonder who the lawyers were for that? I know Mr. King said in the past that he doesn’t have any recollection of Hastings, so I doubt it. Did Mr. King have his own practice of was he part of a bigger law firm? Stan
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 22, 2013 11:55:30 GMT -5
Helen, Yes, but wasn’t “real estate” involved with the breakup of assets between the old man and old lady (the two homes)? Just thinking out loud. Tess
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 22, 2013 11:58:04 GMT -5
Helen,I go your site every day to see what’s going on (if anything). There seems to be a slight “lull” lately.
It’s getting to the point that I have forgotten some things already as we have been in contact since 2006 (?) Rob
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 23, 2013 1:52:56 GMT -5
Helen, OK,. Again, there is a Pastor Park in Livonia ,4 1/2 mile (Lyndon) and between Farmington Rd and Merriman Rd. Of course, she was correct when she mentioned a Danny's Grocery Store at 6 mile and Farmington Rd, etc. Danny's has been out of business since around 1997 or 98. Thanks for getting back to me. Anything new on next steps with LE and John? NF
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