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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 22, 2011 19:37:31 GMT -5
-Jack,you are driving me a little nuts today--Yes,John told me "that the killer by taking the book out of Jills backpack,he symbolically,reveal himself to be a book collector"---and yes John was and is a book collector. I have to get off line for a min. to find out the other stuff you want to know-I will be right back-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 22, 2011 19:52:12 GMT -5
Ok Jack-here is the rest of your answer-What John told me -this is from my notes"-In destroying her face with the shotgun blast -the killer stole her identity as her father was an English instructor-he reduced her to even greater anonymity,when he took the book,stripping her of that connection perhaps to her father underpinning this -is the possibility that she and her father represented the school-Education system in which he experienced so much pain and turmoil-when he was Jills age."
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 22, 2011 20:04:36 GMT -5
Helen, what do you think of the Topix gang spamming you on your new thread at Topix. Joe-Note lol...I don't think about it-(it adds color and if they only knew that every time they click on that site and judge it-Google gives me and the kids extra listings-Google Loves me and the Occk kids-they don't care how I'm judged-they just want them clicks!
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 22, 2011 20:11:01 GMT -5
Helen, you have been re-posting a lot of the old stuff why? Frank-Note -we have a lot of new readers-who could never find those post even if they tried-So i don't want them to miss anything important-over the week end we picked up 230 extra readers-and they all came back today-So we must be doing something right...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 22, 2011 20:22:48 GMT -5
Helen, after reading a post on the Don Studt Saga,I checked out the alibi brothers whereabouts -and he wasn't even in Fla when he told Studt that he knows for sure John was there for about 6 weeks and that he hitchhiked there from getting off a plane in New york-the brother never left Oakland County until 78 and then he went to AZ,I know this because I have two photos of him and they are dated 1978,so what is up with that? Why didn't Studt check that out? Pete-Note-Well I can not answer for Studt-But I did have this info and I did tell Studt that-and I did send that Info to other Cops--But it didn't mean a thing to them-"They Had Bigger Fish To Fry" Well them fish must be getting very brown by now-as they haven't served them up yet-and it is 20 years-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 22, 2011 20:42:00 GMT -5
Helen, I wish you would run the Psychic Phil Jordan Stuff again. Bill-Note-I can do that just not tonight -OK?
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 23, 2011 12:26:23 GMT -5
I talked to Linn today,and she remembers ,when they called in Psychic Phil Jorden,and then dismissed his report as vague and irrelevant --How wrong they were-much of his info was right on,and what did he get for it-Ridicule and Rejection like everyone else who has worked on the Occk cases-When I worked as a covert operative, I really learned about the cop system, everyone I worked with always wanted to beat the other cop out of the score no matter what they had to do and lying to each other was their most used tool-I my self learned that there was never just one answer to anyone's question-but several different answers, all letting you know what you thought was indeed the truth! When really it was so far from the truth, that one couldn't even imagine anyone believing what you were telling them~ I haven't had time to dig up the file on Jorden -but will post it if and when I find it_
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 24, 2011 0:19:09 GMT -5
You should be happy to hear this~ The new full time Officer on the Oakland County Child Killer cases-Is a Woman!!!
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 24, 2011 0:21:13 GMT -5
Helen, Do you know what the Grand Jury is looking for on the old news tapes of CH-7 ? Scott---Note- Yes I do...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 24, 2011 0:24:20 GMT -5
Helen, I really am concerned about your Occk interview tapes,are they lost? Ken-Note- I don't think so...I do think someone is hiding them-because they were not turned in to the Task Force...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 24, 2011 11:33:46 GMT -5
Time for the Death Penalty??Serial killers, baby killers, rape murderers and the like, do we really need to be wasting our tax dollars on supporting them in prison for the rest of their lives. What is wrong with retribution? Isn’t it time for Michigan to enact the death penalty?
We need our tax dollars to go to the schools and public safety, not to support people like John Norman Collins. Collins was the notorious co-ed killer in Washtenaw County in the late 1960’s. He raped, tortured and brutally murdered at least 6 young women. The book “The MichiganMurders” by Edward Keyes tells the story of this sadistic animal. Collins has been in prison since 1969, we have spent over 1.2 million tax dollars supporting him.
There is a segment of our society that is not deathly afraid of prison, especially those that have been there before. One thing they do learn in prison is to never leave witnesses. They get out, commit another crime, only this time they kill the witness. If they get caught they are going to prison. If they kill the witness, there chances of getting caught go down. They go to prison either way. They have to know, get caught committing the crime, I go to jail, kill the witness and I get executed.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 24, 2011 14:38:24 GMT -5
Helen,
Thanks for the information. you are correct - it is a shame. I feel very bad for the victims families.
Perhaps J. Reuben Appleman will get to the bottom of it (haha). This guy hasn't produced an update on his website since July 2nd. Tom
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