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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 17, 2011 22:33:50 GMT -5
Helen, Don Studt like the Emperor has no clothes. It is time for other LE to recognize that and call him out for not passing your information on to the other cops about John. Mike
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 17, 2011 22:41:32 GMT -5
Re-Post~Ms. Dagner
In regards to your statement of letting the media review the Xxxxxxx file, my answer to that will be, "No I will not". The only reason I allowed the newspaper reported to review only a small portion of the material regarding the other investigation, was due soley to the fact that the person making all the waves was a retired police Lt. with a department that was on the task force. Also, the reporter making the inquiries is a highly respected member of the news media, and has been involved with the case since day one. At the very least, he deserved a response.
In regards to your statement, "How can you for sure rule anyone out completely, unless you were present yourself"? If you mean, was anyone there when John allegedly made statements to you, or were they present during the commission of the murders? This kind of dialog is pointless. If you're refering to being present during the crimes, I have literally thousands of documented investigations where none of the officers were present, however they did their investigations.
I did talk to Jerry Tobias many times prior to his death about the OCCK, and not once did he ever mention your name or your information about your suspect.
Lastly, Dave nor I can figure out what you're trying to say when you speak of Dave's dad, "Why would Robertson's son doubt any of this today?"
Det Gray and Robertson
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 17, 2011 23:26:35 GMT -5
Helen, No Logic or Moral Reasoning exists that gives any excuse for Don Studt to make such a Mean Spirited Personal Attack against you as he did in those FOIA Documents. I still remember how there was nothing going on with the Occk cases for years until you woke everyone up,and this is the Thanks you get for coming forward? Scott
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 18, 2011 1:06:57 GMT -5
I have just finish reading 11 emails I got in today from officers that thought I should know how their contact went with Don Studt after they mention my name-and he definitely was on some type of mission to destroy me- One of the guys said"-Why is the key question. And why actively discredit someone before even listening to me? I wasn't calling to say, "Hey, I'm from Team Helen", I wanted him to hear about my side of events that made me believe the story you had posted on Todds site-but he didn't want to listen to me and kept saying have you talked to Helen about this and I said yes I called her"and after that he just ran you down some more-like he had something he was hiding. Xxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 18, 2011 1:11:45 GMT -5
Another-"Studt has very little credibility in my book other than he provided great comfort to the King's in the days after Tim disappeared. The fist thing he did was try to discredit you when I spoke (several years ago) to him BEFORE ever listening to my story. That says a lot!XXX
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 18, 2011 6:20:15 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 18, 2011 13:58:15 GMT -5
Helen, Gunnel has said he did not take part in anything and does not know if Busch was involved in anything other than child molesting,yet in that Busch artical on your site ,someone has this to say (May have actually been forced by Busch to help with dumping Kristine's body to keep him quiet. He puts her over his shoulder to carry her and that's how his hair winds up on her stomach area.) I don't believe this at all and I do not feel they have any evidences on Gunnel to support this claim. Rita
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 18, 2011 14:05:39 GMT -5
Helen, my question is hasn't this all been proved to be false?"At Busch's suicide scene they found a drawing of a young boy screaming. At the time it was believed (and since verified as they have the drawing) that it resembled Mark Stebbins. Busch had laid out some bloody ligatures on the floor in that room. Those ligatures were sent to the FBI and never seen or heard about again. Busch had been polygraphed by the MSP in Flint after Kristine's murder. He "passed." We know that Busch did not do the drawing and the only thing that looks like Mark is the nose and there was no blood on the ropes found in his bed room and he passed a polygraph,so how does anyone come off calling him a suspect? Sarah
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 18, 2011 14:16:52 GMT -5
Helen, we also know this is not true,(Chris Busch was tying boys up in the neighborhood and having sex with them. He somehow managed to stay below the radar. In some cases, Busch's mother allegedly paid-off victims to avoid having them file charges or pursue prosecution. He had some pending child molest stuff in the court system after Tim's murder) I know I read a post where you had interviewed most of the living neighbors and they told you they did not see any boys at the house and that Chris was not there that often and the people making these claims about Busch's mother paying off the boys,well I hope they have a receipt because if she didn't offer to pay Gunnel off I don't believe she paid off anyone. Seems to me some one is on a Witch hunt for Busch only because he is dead and can not fight back. Pretty Smelly to me! Robert
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 18, 2011 18:55:15 GMT -5
The URL For this site won't work in Feedback-However I have it posted tonight in the Don Studt Saga-If you havent read the book -it will give you a chance to read a few pages~ Wolf in sheep's clothing: the search for a child killer - Google Books Result books.google.com/books?isbn=0814319890...Tommy McIntyre - 1988 - Social Science - 231 pages *The King house was modest by Birmingham standards. ... Tobin pulled his car into the drive, checked out of service, ... As he was about to knock, the door was opened by the uniformed figure of Police Officer Don Studt, who had awakened him ... The Chief extended his hand and introduced himself to Mrs. King, who did ... #
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 20, 2011 11:31:11 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 20, 2011 22:00:14 GMT -5
Helen, How is the Big Project coming along? Tess -*Note-I finish my part just today-now the others have their part to do-and then we will present it to you all....
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 20, 2011 22:06:46 GMT -5
Ok-I'm getting a lot of emails in about Busch...I don't even want to post them-because no one I know has the answers-I still have not heard anything about any proof of his involvement in the Occk cases-So why beat this horse to death? Personally my opinion is that he didn't....I do not know how to explain this to you- But until someone can show me proof-That is where I stand !
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 21, 2011 19:25:33 GMT -5
Helen, I just saw this on the site and it is so true!"If you were from Cass, and were not looking to pick up a child, but rather dump one, why would you drive from Cass all the way out to Franklin in the burbs, where they are no major highways super close, to dump the body. There are so very many other places that would have been more hidden and an easier get away then a dead end in the burbs! That was done for statement purposes only! What statement would a Cass perv have? None. He's only worried about his own pleasure and making money from it." Tim
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 21, 2011 19:46:28 GMT -5
Some of you must not be reading all of the Feedback-as you must have missed the part were I said -I'm not posting anything Negative about the Kings-Look this has been an up hill battle for everyone connected with the Occk cases IMO they have been led a stray by a polygraph-er and a Det. Sgt.and most likely others -they are trying to keep the memory of the victims alive and trying to find out the truth about who killed their son~ So end of that discussion~
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