Cover -up going on in the Occk cases-

[Helen Dagner]

I never thought I would ever say this-However it is time, yes, there has been and is a cover -up going on in the Occk cases-and just thinking about it sickens me. To think that I did not notice it for 21 years, just boggles my mind. The strangest part of it all is; I was told back in 1991-92 that this was going on and I wouldn't listen. I was very sure it wasn't going on at the highest level, so I just thought ,'over worked under dogs' being second guessed by armchair investigators and conspiracy buffs with theories of corruption and collusion. Yeah, right, I thought. Now I see that what I thought was individual incompetence (Law enforcement mistakes), and systemic jurisdictional conflicts (FBI, Wayne County, Oakland County, Michigan State Police and etc.) was really all taking place, all right, but more than met my eye was also going on! It's like I wasn't seeing the forest for the trees, that is, I was so busy looking at the individual pieces and concluded that no coordinated cover-up was needed to explain why the killer still walks free. I thought it was influenced by politics and everything else, but now I know It is time for a Special Prosecutor to take over these cases. The Families and the Public have been lied to,right along with the News Media. This latest hope and direction, insults the Intelligence of everyone of us, who care. It in it self is a criminal act. I understand the emotions between the Wayne County Prosecutor and The Oakland County Prosecutor,I even understand the competition between the different Jurisdiction, however I can not understand,how anyone would let it go on year after year,at the cost of Jeopardizing the solving of these Oakland County Child Serial Killer Murders. There is no way that this DNA can eliminate any of the previous suspects from these cases. All it says is that they do not have a pool blood match. Those hairs could belong to anyone and they could have got on the victims and in Sloan car,in any number of ways that are unrelated to the abduction ,murder and drop off of these children.It is like the Animal Hair,Many people think it is Dog hair, many people think all the hairs match, therefore,it has to be this or that dog, untrue, that is why recently the Oakland County Prosecutors office has back tracked, and now states that they are just calling it animal hair. For years now, all of us who follow the case and posts, have accused each other for getting it all wrong, yet it was each of our sources giving us all different Information. I know it is perfectly acceptable for Law Enforcement to lie to us, It is done all over the world everyday, however wouldn't you think there has to be self limitations, to how far your source would take this? This is not a game, so why would they continue to carry on this Charade, even after you have been brutally made aware that they are out and out lying to you. They are not doing their Jobs and never have been. Shame on all of them! For example; First the Oakland County Prosecutor announced in the News Media that Chris Busch was not and is not a suspect, then a few days later a news media comes out and says, they will CONTINUE to Investigate Busch! So, let me get this right, they're investigating Busch but, they're not. For some reason, that doesn't inspire confidence. What would be their reasoning, other than to shut the King family down, make it so they are afraid to speak up because it might Jeopardize the further Investigation of Busch? No it won't, because there is No further Investigation of Busch going on, and I ask Why? In my case, I have been lied to as recently as two weeks ago about the Investigation of John. Then today I was given a line of BS that was so obvious my 10year old granddaughter would have spotted it. That is not all that happened today, I'm going to sleep on the rest of that Info and see If I want to make It Public.(To be continued~

[Helen Dagner]

The Motive~If, as mentioned in the last post,, the usual motives don't apply to these most unusual of serial child killing cases, what motive then does? Well, so far, the only motive that actually fits the strange actions of the killer. He said that the killer kidnapped and killed the kids too show the rich upper class of the community that they were no better than he was and that they were as vulnerable as he was to the cruelties and injustices of life and society as he (the killer) was. He claimed that the killer's motive was to strike a blow at the privileged rich snobs. Since he couldn't do anything to bring them down financially or materially, he could inflict justice on them through their children, their Achilles' heel! Through their children he would teach them the lesson they so richly deserved. A lesson he was supremely qualified and eager to deliver. According to John, sex wasn't anywhere in the picture as a motive. At this point the author would beg to differ in the respect that sex was involved in that John's thwarted libido (He was a flop with chicks) added additional impetus to the revenge for exclusion and humiliation crimes committed against his humanity. There was no personal animosity toward the children, in fact he liked kids. Actually he liked and respected kids, he cleaned and dressed them in a meticulous almost funeral manner, certainly not with disrespect anger or disdain. They were in no way made to look degraded. If, as he said, his aim was to shake society to it's core, he certainly succeeded. Everyone, regardless of rank or riches, was rocked back on their heels. The entire community from top to bottom was in an uproar, feeling the sting of John's retribution. Also, as an added (perhaps unintended) bonus, he went from feeling snubbed, slighted, humiliated and irrelevant, to being instantly catapulted to paramount importance. Suddenly HE was the one who mattered. HE was the one everyone was talking about. HE was on TV, the radio, newspapers. It was his dark and unseen shadow that moved silently through their fears, with the uncanny, almost unnatural ability to make children vanish into thin air right in the midst of a neighborhood on super high alert for exactly that. During his reign of terror, he gained almost mythic proportions as some kind of evil super villain on the level of Jack The Ripper, snatching children right out from under the noses of the cops and every body. He held the entire community in a grip of fear that was almost panic. Talk about a head trip that would appeal to snubbed ego! It was all salve for his wounded pride. The high must have been fantastic, and may have caused him to take chances he wouldn't have taken otherwise. Long story short, he sure brought rich society to their knees. He symbolically castrated and subjugated the stuck-up upper class. So far, John's explanation of motive is the only one that both fits the terrible crimes and makes sense. ( To be continued)

[Helen Dagner]

However, I think the killer stopped because he finish his mission.. He wanted to kill two boys & two Girls, under the self delusional pretext that he was saving them from a meaningless and painful existence , like his turned out to be. Also, he wanted to inflict pain and humiliation on the rich and privileged upper class, and in doing so achieve personal significance on the level of his Ancestors. As for his family sending him overseas for a mental condition, I really have doubts about that as John supported himself from the age of 11, ( As his father told me). And I do know from my investigation, and from John himself, that his Dad (although he was wealthy) didn't share that with his family, he was stingy with money and he was stingy with emotion and approval. Regarding Johns mental condition, all I can tell you is that I did see him go into a Manic phase, with spinning eyes, hyper-active mannerisms, gorging on bags of bananas and appearing unaware of his surroundings. John's sister told me there were two members of the family that had mental illness. By all accounts one of them was John's mom. Could she have been counting John as number two? (To be continued)

[Helen Dagner]

Write Your U.S.Senator?-If It's Levin-Forget !!
Want to write your representative in Lansing or Washington,D.C.-and not quite sure where to send the letter---If It's to a Michigan official...and you want to talk about--The Oakland County Child Killer...File 13-or the North Pole,will give the same results---Imagine a U.S. Senator,who get's three pc.of mail...about a Serial killer...and doesn't have someone in his office-answer the mail.Both Todd and I have sent Michigan U.S.Senator Carl Levin our concerns about the Oakland County Child Killer...you can read the letters on the 1976-77 Oakland County Child Slaying -site--8000,people already have...I was so sure that he would answer my letter...as Fran and I worked our butt's off to get him elected,the first time...but there you have it...so much for ---one hand washes the other...right?...In Michigan It's not just Carl Levin...he is just the one I thought would care...The only one to answer...was now Gov.Jennifer M. Granholm..and she was the AG at the time...and running for election for Gov....I'm telling you Michigan officials just don't care if the OCCK cases are solved...I'm just wondering...If there ever was a time that they did...after all none of the murdered children were their son or daughter...well they weren't mine either...but since I met the Killer..and know this case Is able to be solved...I do care..and so do thousands,of people that read every word that Todd and I post...If you want to see who cares-go to The Oakland County Child Killer- Dreambook...read their stories-Post your story,there or on this site...Want to get and Inside look at the Michigan State Police..and what they think of the Unsolved Child Murders...read Todd' Post--SHOULD I JUST GO OUT AND SHOOT HER...CHICKEN BONE And ALL...You can find all Info...by going to Google Search....Best Regards Helen Dagner
serialkillerfacts | September 4, 2003 02:51 PM

[Helen Dagner]

Things I still remember about John- By Helen Dagner February 2, 2004 at 03:42:55 PM

When he stooped down to tie his daughters shoes,he would go in the same type of trance...that he did when it stared to snow----Everything he did always had a symbolic meaning....How scared I was on three occasions,that he was going to kill me---once when I asked him to confess--- I also had the same Inter feelings--after the Birmingham Police were up to Alpena....and they left me off.... I walked 3 blocks to were I was staying-----and I guess I'll always wonder why John trusted me so much...he just never thought....I would go to the Police----Then there was his banana eating binges....once a month-that lasted for a three or four day period....almost like it was timed to a women's menstrual cycle.... I will remember...what he said after he had read-"-Wolf In Sheep's Clothing-"--He talked about what the author said about -Psychic Phil Jordan....who was involved In Operation ESP---The task force had ridicule Jordan,and said his report was not only vague ... even contradictory and fundamentally useless--Yet John said if they paid attention to this report...he would have been arrested back in the seventies.....Tomorrow-I will try to answer all the e-mails,I received In the last two days....from the readers of this site....boy you ask some tough personal questions !

( To be continued)

[Helen Dagner]