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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 31, 2011 14:51:31 GMT -5
I just met with three of my LE friends and they read Don Studts reports-and they all confirmed that what Studt did with my Interviews is pure and simple -character assassination-But
Why? Well they said- Slandering of a person (ME) is usually done with the intention of destroying public confidence in that person. Hmmm-I will tell you what they think Studt had in mind by doing this-later~
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 1, 2011 11:01:57 GMT -5
RE-Post-The Oakland County Task Force- Above Photo-Det. Garry Gray & David Robertson said/{This person was fully investigated by very competent investigators and closed for numerous reasons and documented facts. When we decided to rejuvenate the OCCK investigation several years ago, we did take a second look, and spent a reasonable amount of time combing over this particular suspect's case file and the information contained therein. I also talked to the investigators who actually worked on him. I concur with their findings and the matter remains closed.//// WELL I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THE DATE THAT YOU TOOK THAT "SECOND LOOK"...and with who did you go over "Johns huge file with"....When I talked to you Det. Garry Grey when you first took over -you didn't even know there was a file on John...Then when I talked to you in 2006...You said...Oh yes we have a file on John... in fact it is sitting on top of the file cabinet..."gathering dust" you then said..."I will have to dust that off and take a look at it"....there was no mention of it being HUGE at all...and just who did you talk this over with?...months later you said in an email to me...that Tobias...never mention John or myself to you...and he was the original interviewer of John...and he told me "There is no file on John,none can be found any where"...sooo you can not tell me Det. Lt. Ray Anger had one...from when he came up to talk to me in Alpena with his partner...because remember he couldn't find the note book of facts I gave him...and years later...he couldn't find the file Det. Lt. Ray Skiba..at the Alpena PD gave him twice!....and he sure couldn't of made one up on his own...because the only question he asked me when he was in Alpena was-"did John have photos of the children" the rest of the time he talked about Norberg.....Sooo is this one of your-" very competent investigators" ?
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 1, 2011 14:17:03 GMT -5
WEll I officially have my Dear John letter from the City Of Birmingham-Please be advised that the records you describe are part of an open investigation and are exempt from disclosure!
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 1, 2011 22:16:18 GMT -5
Thanks Jack for reminding me-Yes my LE buddies wrote down what they thought-and none of the three-were able to see what the other had written -and after they left I read them-and they all nearly said the same thing-* They did not know why and arrest was not made in 1992 when Studt was working the case *They could not under stand why The MSP did not re interview me after getting Don' reports back in 2004* and they can not understand Studts' motive for the character assassination -as I had told Don several times-I wanted no credit for any help I provided to this case and that was documented several times in the report and that is about it--they think I have been very used by everyone connected to The Oakland County Child Killer cases- Lol-I called them all up today and said-Thank You-I Love you!! and please don't put that in any report-lol...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 1, 2011 22:39:57 GMT -5
Ken, I know you want to know about Cory---I can make it short-I had told Cory about the photo I seen of Tim that was in a box that John took away from me-back in 1992 at his apartment-and I explained to him that I didn't know until 1999 that it was Tim-as I had never seen a photo of him--I told Cory John said it was himself -so I left it at that-at the time John said it was taken with a one step polaroid--well later (years) I was talking to a police photographer-and related the story to him-and right away he said it couldn't be a photo of John when he was 11 yr old boy--as the one step didn't come out until 1976-so after I relate all this to Cory-He calls me later and ask if I thought it was one of Busch' photos?-I couldn't believe he ask me this-I told him you have too much Busch on the brain!-Well this is not the first suspect Cory has had in this case-that had no evidence-to sport his claim- Then there was his and Grey's fly out to Atlanta -where they went to Interview John-But I think maybe they really went to interview John about Chris-He wouldn't say anything about that -but he did tell me he had an opinion on John and Chris-but he would have to wait 30 days before he could tell me-but he would call-well that was I think over two years ago-and still no call....
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 2, 2011 14:07:07 GMT -5
Occk Murders~ Birmingham Mi. Police Chief Don Studt - falsify police reports:-Attorney Generals Office Says-It Is My Word Against An Officers Word-And That The Tapes Don't Mean Squat In Mi They Have The Right To Interpret My Voice -See Feedback-First I called the MSP today-They said all police agency's --police their own employees -So then I called Birmingham and asked If the Police had an Internal Affairs office-No the city manager takes care of police problems--Well I had already talked to him -last week-So when I finally called the Attorney Generals office-I was real worn out on the BS--and I get some young punk that knows less about law then I do-10 min. of him and I just said- see you on TV and hung up! This is getting so far out of hand -that it has become ridiculous-The Only thing I know for sure is-The Oakland County Child Killer Cases Will Never Be Solved!( Ever)-Thanks To Don Studt and others like him ...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 2, 2011 15:10:13 GMT -5
Helen, Sometimes I wonder whether L. Brooks Patterson is behind all of this nonsense. He is one of the few constants with this case. Bouchard and Gorcyca would both do what he tells him, IMO. Dave
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 3, 2011 11:15:15 GMT -5
Hey Helen,What about the Motor City Shakedown guy?  I haven't seen any recent updates from him. Perhaps he left town with the dough he raised (haha). Sgt. |
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 3, 2011 17:30:02 GMT -5
Index Page Header-Hi Helen, First of all, it's obvious that LE considers you an annoyance based on all the false info. they put in those reports from the early 90s. It makes me real angry how you are portrayed in these documents. After all, you only gave these knucklehead Barney Fife types the OCCK killer's name, motive and other essential information on a "silver platter"; yet they still can't figure it out. If you were AFTER John romantically, then why was HE saying all these things to impress YOU? It seems to me that John was a guy AFTER you! Here is my email to Kevin a couple of weeks ago and his response. You may wish to try his email at Channel 4, kevind@wdiv.com . Kevin is a go-getter and I'd be glad to speak with him, too, once you give me the go-ahead. I have not responded to him per your suggestion when I asked earlier. Good luck and keep me posted. I'm still behind you 100%!***Occk Murders~ Birmingham Mi. Police Chief Don Studt - falsify police reports:-Attorney Generals Office Says-It Is My Word Against An Officers Word-And That The Tapes Don't Mean Squat In Mi They Have The Right To Interpret My Voice -See Feedback-First I called the MSP today-They said all police agency's --police their own employees -So then I called Birmingham and asked If the Police had an Internal Affairs office-No the city manager takes care of police problems--Well I had already talked to him -last week-So when I finally called the Attorney Generals office-I was real worn out on the BS--and I get some young punk that knows less about law then I do-10 min. of him and I just said- see you on TV and hung up! This is getting so far out of hand -that it has become ridiculous-The Only thing I know for sure is-The Oakland County Child Killer Cases Will Never Be Solved!( Ever)-Thanks To Don Studt and others like him ...  |
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 3, 2011 18:52:45 GMT -5
Helen,Cathy has been real quite the last week or so. Any reason why (e.g.. grand jury, vacation)?. Kim-Note-I have no clue~
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 3, 2011 21:57:44 GMT -5
Helen, I can not even imagine after 20 yrs working on the Occk cases how you felt when Don Studt lied on all of those court documents.Linda-Note-I can tell you after I got over the shock and it took a while-I thought -this is how it must feel to get gang raped!
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 3, 2011 22:04:07 GMT -5
Helen, Your so connected,how is it that the other cops didn't tell you what he did to those reports and he did it 20 yrs ago?? Note-The Thin Blue Line Of Shame just never breaks-they protect each other-that is why there is so much corruption in police dept. lack of morals and values seems to be what it is all about-they have to work with each other-so anything goes...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 3, 2011 22:09:41 GMT -5
Helen, Did Birmingham Chief Studt lie about everything? Cal-Note-Well I have only gone through two hundred pages-and all I saw so far -is that he had my name right-everything else is just and out and out lie-It is like he was writing a story for a cheap Det. Magzine-It is just sick!
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 3, 2011 22:16:18 GMT -5
Helen, Do you know If Don Studt is a man of god? Because God hates liars more than anything. Jack-Note- Jack, this is just a guess but I'm going to say I don't think so-If he would be-he wouldn't have done what he did-I really do not care for myself-but for him to stop justice for the four Oakland County Child Killer Victims-it is inexcusable by anyone's standards...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 3, 2011 22:26:31 GMT -5
Helen, Did Don do this because he was unable to solve the crime and was going to make sure no one else could.Bob--After reading all the papers five different times,I'm absolutely sure that was his motive-You know anyone will lie if it is important to them-but the little things he lied about-in addition to the larger items-Is the real puzzle to me-like saying in one place that he knew I didn't drink or do drugs,but yet John bought a six pack of beer every time I would go to his apartment-I never saw John ever with any Beer -in his apt.or out of it-like I said he just added and added stuff-and some of it was so ridiculous-i just shock my head when I read it...It was like being in the twilight Zone-and to think there are hundreds and hunders of more papers out there that I haven't read-just makes me want to puke!
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I haven't seen any recent updates from him. Perhaps he left town with the dough he raised (haha).