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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 24, 2012 0:35:33 GMT -5
Boy Helen, You Whopped Les A-- tonight at Topix. How have you ever stood this for nearly 21 yrs? Mark -Note-I have No Idea-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 24, 2012 13:12:58 GMT -5
This is Lillys post to Les Martin on Topix~"When NORMAL people are reading your post? Stop acting like a freaking idiot. We had this conversation months ago. Almost everyone on this forum at that time attempted to get you to see that it wasn’t a contribution of your information that people were not interested in or that differences of opinion were not what was garnering such ire in people. It was your constant interjection of all of your other personal bull sh*t - your murdering compatriots, your women, your exploits and all the other crap contaminating this forum that has nothing to do with this case and NO it does not lend to your credibility. It makes you look like a horn blowing little basta*d who is either too retarded to get the reason this forum is here or too God**mned disrespectful to care.
You do not have an audience. No one thinks this is cool or informative. Your gleeful little ditties are just another reason to believe you are an idiot in need of medial attention. If you are not then try acting like a person.
I would suggest no one respond to this blow-hard period. Unless he posts something new and significant to this case ignore him. His narcissism is on overload and he has managed yet again to dominate this forum with his insanity not his information. He doesn’t care how angry people get or what they say to or about him as long as he is the center of attention. He is a nut-bag. Ignore his bull-sh*t
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 24, 2012 19:51:13 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 25, 2012 7:58:06 GMT -5
Helen,
Late last night, I saw Kevin Dietz’s 15-20 second promo regarding tonight’s report. He ends it saying that prosecutors are close to an arrest and the primary suspect is still alive. There is a blip from Jessica Cooper on saying what’s been stated in the media is not true and there is another gentleman (don’t know who) who says that there is not one piece of evidence that points to Chris Busch as the killer.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 25, 2012 12:43:10 GMT -5
Helen, And it’s not Gary Smentkowski, old man Hastings, McKinney, Green, Busch, Grant, or any of the other dead suspects/candidates.
I wonder if the drawing of Stebbins in Busch’s room is the key. As an artist, I can’t even draw stick men well. That drawing was done by someone who has art training, IMO as its very good. Xxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 25, 2012 16:51:34 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 25, 2012 16:59:52 GMT -5
OAKLAND COUNTY, Mich. -
Prosecutors are opening new files about specific evidence and suspects in the Oakland County Child Killer case.
Part of 6,000 pages of evidence in the case were made public under the Freedom of Information Act. Prosecutors are being allowed to speak out about specific evidence in the case.
Top Oakland County prosecutors Jessica Cooper and Paul Walton have been openly discussing specific evidence in the murders of Mark Stebbins, Kristine Mihelich, Jill Robinson and Timothy King. The four children were held captive for days before being murdered in 1976 and 1977
Complete coverage: Oakland County Child Killer case
"They weren't bloody. They weren't dripping and there was no sign of blood," Cooper said.
More than 30 years since the crimes, top prosecutors now are coming forward to put a stop to false claims and rumors about the case. Prosecutors say they have tracked down the scientist who analyzed the ropes found at the home of suspect Christopher Bush.
"He conclusively told us that he was aware of these facts and that had there been any blood on that rope or ligature he would have sent it on to the evidence unit," said Walton.
The prosecutors say the families of the victims and media outlets continuing to push Bush as the Oakland County Child Killer have misinterpreted public documents and have not seen the real evidence.
"There isn't a piece of evidence that we can point to and say Mr. Bush killed Timothy King, Jill Robinson, Kristine Mihelich or Mark Stebbins," said Walton.
"I keep seeing things in the media that are just so wrong, so inappropriate," said Cooper.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 25, 2012 17:11:26 GMT -5
Now Everyone Take A Deep Breath-Now think about this-In the back ground-we have a Hearing on July 27-with Mr. King and Jessica-we have a 100 million Dollar Law Suit with Kris Mom-We have a county Election for Prosecutor and others-There is a lot going on here-There is also a request to the Justice Dept by the Families-There is also New Evidence-Let us all give it some time-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 25, 2012 17:50:37 GMT -5
manny wrote: <quoted text> Time? It's been 36 years! Nothing but time. Do you think they are close to an arrest Helen? They said as much on the live broadcast, but it may just be a spin..... Helen Answered~**** There is a lot that would have to be done before an arrest could be made-and my not knowing what all they have gotten done-it is difficult to comment-but you know me I couldn't miss this chance-First off-every single person of Interest would have to be eliminated-then every suspect living or dead would have to be cleared-Then the evident s will have to be checked and re- checked-then all the witness would have to be talked to-Then the suspect-what ever story he would tell-has to be completely checked out-Everything-Then the investigators prepare a summation to be presented to Jessica-and she determines-If they can go a head-Which means can they get a conviction-she also will confer with Kim Worthy for her Input on her Grand Jury and her Investigation-There can be NO doubt in her mind that he is anything but the guilty person-there can not be any other suspects connected to this suspect -unless she also has the goods on them-It is a Big-Very Big Ordeal-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 25, 2012 18:20:23 GMT -5
www.clickondetroit.com/news/investigations/The-Oakland-County-child-killer-mystery-case-continues/-/1719314/13467924/-/k20y8uz/-/index.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter Governmental immunity comes in two forms: qualified and absolute. Both forms of immunity prevent a government actor from having to go through a trial at all. Simply put, governmental immunity prevents someone from suing the government or an agent of the government for doing, or attempting to do, his job. As governmental immunity prevents government actors from being sued, courts will attempt to resolve immunity issues as early as possible in a case. Absolute immunity is an unconditional immunity given to certain government actors. For example, judicial immunity is absolute. It protects judges and other judicial employees from lawsuits brought against them for doing their jobs. On the other hand, qualified immunity has a set of conditions that must be fulfilled in order protect a government actor. A government actor who uses conditional governmental immunity as a defense must prove to the judge that a hypothetical reasonable person in his position would not have known his conduct violated the law. Law enforcement officers are among the government actors that are afforded the defense of conditional governmental immunity in certain situations.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 26, 2012 1:39:05 GMT -5
~ My post to Les at Topix---*Now Ding Bat-I need to clear this up-as after all the years you have stalked me on the Internet-and you still don't know-That my story comes from John-I am just the messenger-Plain and simple-I did not create this happening -It happen to me-I came forward-only because it was the right thing to do-There are Witness To John and my meetings-There is a witness to the Drawing of the Big Boy Maps-The Maps were drawn by John-That is a proven fact-He finally admitted to it-There are LE witnesses to The Manicure -Pedicure Set hid on a ledge behind a drawer in his Shoebox office-There are witnesses to The Double Passport's-There are 100's of statements from John to me-all have Ben admitted too -by him- There are Witnesses to the Drawings on his Bedroom wall that match the Stebbin's drawing-He knew what propped the door open-at the King home-the night Tim went for the candy bar-He could describe the entire King Family-and there habits-and what they did that night-He also had a call list-He also drew Jills Bike at the exact location-where two witness had found it-He knew where Jill had gotten the bike-and it wasn't from a store-He knew the children's stomach contents-He knew the clothing they were wearing when abducted and dropped off-He knew the area of each pick up and drop off-It even stunned the Cops-He had study DNA and Ballistics before cops ever knew what DNA was-He stared at 11 years old-and that isn't even the Tip of the Ice pick-The bottom line here and there are 325 of these coincidence-also I was the 3rd woman to turn John in-and they all told the cops why he was thought to be the Occk- Now do I think John is the Occk? Yes I do as I have nothing to say other wise to me-Does that mean he is the OCCK? How would I know that I wasn't there-but if he is not-Then He is the greatest Psychic ever to hit the earth-since Jesus-AMEN!
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 26, 2012 2:17:42 GMT -5
I posted again to Les at Topix-****Now I want you to think about this-You start acting like a decent Human Being-Lick your wounds-and face reality-Your Brother In Law-Is Not The Occk-and the Investigator has not eaten your oats-Why ruin this forum all together-for the people who remain here-or for the new comers who stop by-people like Manny-who want to find out about these cases-and others have to wade thru your BS-and your the only one who doesn't realize-all your post are BS-and you should know by now-that you can not win a battle with me-I have had to much experience with Jerks like you-for two many years-Now I'm telling Les-If you can not come to your senses-and quit trying to shove me in the mud-then I am not going to post on this forum any more-because it takes to much energy to battle a moron-Now you should understand what I have said to you-because I just put it all in your language...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 26, 2012 8:54:51 GMT -5
Topix?? It is like the Tar pits-Better yet it is and open air cesspool with slipper banks--it is like going to look at the native wildlife and the next thing you know-you get sucked in and your up to your neck in BS and crazy people....
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 27, 2012 3:12:12 GMT -5
Helen, Did this book ever show up? Tim-----Note-Tim that is just one more Mystery -Maybe he is making a Movie out of it-
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Post by Cas Obs on Jun 27, 2012 7:56:03 GMT -5
It goes to the editor in July.
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