|
Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 11, 2012 16:47:57 GMT -5
My father was killed by a serial killer, people are too quick to joke and dehumanize these events until it happens to them.
Keep up the fight Helen, if we had more people like you and less politicians who don't want to rock the boat, we'd be better off.
Kim
|
|
|
Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 12, 2012 19:45:28 GMT -5
Senior citizens are constantly being criticized for every conceivable deficiency of the modern world, real or imaginary. �We know we take responsibility for all we have done and do not blame others. � HOWEVER, upon reflection, we would like to point out that it was NOT the senior citizens who took � The�melody out of music, � The pride out of appearance, � The courtesy out of driving, � The romance out of love, � The commitment out of marriage, � The responsibility out of parenthood, � The togetherness out of the family, � The learning out of education, � The service out of patriotism, � The Golden Rule from rulers, � The nativity scene out of cities, � The civility out of behavior, � The refinement out of language, � The dedication out of employment, � The prudence out of spending, � The ambition out of achievement or � God out of government and school. � And we certainly are NOT the ones who eliminated patience and tolerance from personal relationships and interactions with others! � And, we do understand the meaning of patriotism, and remember those who have fought and died for our country. � Just look at the Seniors with tears in their eyes and pride in their hearts as they stand at attention with their hand over their hearts when the flag passes by! YES, I'M A SENIOR CITIZEN! � I'm the life of the party . . . even if it lasts until 8 p.m. � I'm very good at opening childproof caps . . . with a hammer. � I'm awake many hours before my body allows me to get up. � I'm smiling all the time because I can't hear a thing you're saying. � I'm sure everything I can't find is in a safe secure place. . . somewhere. � I'm wrinkled, saggy, lumpy, and that's just my left leg. � I'm beginning to realize that aging is not for wimps. � Yes, I'm a SENIOR CITIZEN and I think I am having the time of my life! � Now if I could only remember who sent this to me, I wouldn't send it back to them, but I would send it to many more too! � Spread the laughter � Share the cheer � Let's be happy � While we're here. � And, MAY GOD BLESS AMERICA � AND MAY AMERICA BLESS GOD! � Go Green - Recycle CONGRESS
|
|
|
Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 13, 2012 7:08:27 GMT -5
Look Guys It's to early in the morning-to start posting your Feedback-and I have a really busy day~ Yes, I will be commenting on the class room full of ~" BOB's"
|
|
|
Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 13, 2012 17:21:51 GMT -5
Helen,
First, Thank You for your civil tone here, as not one curse word or emotional criticism.
Second, I think the Canadian group sought out as many resources as they could obtain, but I'm not sure of their budget or what that was.
Third,(A.) the Kings did not manufacture any of the files, and rather they were provided them by a wise judge locally which were authored by law enforcement over the many years.(B.) The Kings have never asked for pitty, and rather some late measure of Justice in their connecting the dots from what they were given (limited), and whereas this was in law enforcement's hands all the while for a generation. While You, I, and others may privately pitty them; we are light years from that stage now I think as to their previously having nothing, and rather should admire their being able to act on something established her and reinforced from many independant variables and input as valid.
Fourth, We (You, I, JH, and all others) won't have to wait long now to see if an indictment in singular or plural parties is handed down from one or both grand juries.
I trust in this I have returned your civility here, and as always just want justice for my friend in Timmy King to occur, as well as Jill Robinson whom my family used to babysit for, and the other children victims in this case.
While emotion carried long term for the losses of these victims in each of us here has at times not brought out the best in us, I hope we do concur and see some light at the end of the tunnel here coming in this case.( Patrick)
#10486 20 min ago Patrick-You missed what I was saying-by a little bit-first-I never ever thought they manufactured there files-What I was saying-was-had the group had more that just Chris' files-the out come may have been different- But am I going to argue with you about it-No--as for the pity deal-I was not giving you my opinion (as I never went along with that) all though this is the 2nd time I have been accused of that-the other time was after the TV show when Cathy gave her rant,she mention the pity deal-Some times people take unfair liberty's when they state what other people are thinking-when in fact the intention of the person is all good-But for me enough on that-I do not even want to be involved in that discussion -However you did mention some thing else-and I would like to give you some accurate Information on that subject-Then you can Check it out- Helen Dagner
#10487 5 min ago Ok -Patrick -you said this-(Fourth, We (You, I, JH, and all others) won't have to wait long now to see if an indictment in singular or plural parties is handed down from one or both grand juries.) For some reason from this and other posts you have made-I always wonder if you under stand -the GJ Deal--The chances of a indictment being handed down by the GJ in these cases-is really about zero -Also-Wayne county has no Jurisdiction-over the Oakland County Child Murder Cases-Say they the Wayne GJ -would hand down something on Tim King-First the suspect would have to be alive-and second-it will be Jessica-that makes any final decision-and If there is not absolute proof-that the person acted alone-then the case will remain open-all suspects have to be cleared before there is a decision on this-The Investigators-do not make any of the decisions-they only compile and present-to the Oakland County Prosecutor-I think this has led everyone down a different path-Many people think these GJ were called just for the Occk cases-Nothing could be further from the truth-they are just another case-Wayne county-had over 100 and Jessica-had at lease 90 cases- There is No special treatment here-other than having the Occk cases mention-would up the public interest- Helen Dagner
|
|
|
Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 15, 2012 4:34:42 GMT -5
I will not be posting your email posts on-the merit of the Canadian students' report on the Oakland County Child Killer Case-I am just thankful that I didn't get involved in it-the report would be funny ...if it wasn't so disgusting -or do i want to say-so stupid!
|
|
|
Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 15, 2012 20:54:07 GMT -5
The show cause hearing will be held July 27 before Oakland Circuit Judge Wendy Potts.
King was unsuccessful in a similar lawsuit he filed against the prosecutor’s office in 2010. He is appealing that case.
|
|
|
Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 16, 2012 16:24:43 GMT -5
lol-you guys never quit-you want to turn this site into a cesspool like Topix? I'm not going to run your posts about Les Martin,he has absolutely nothing to do with the Occk cases- He never has-He is just a want-a-Be......something-
|
|
|
Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 16, 2012 22:57:42 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 16, 2012 23:03:24 GMT -5
Patrick posted this at Topix~Hello,
I am told that next Sunday's Detroit Free Press newspaper will have a three page expose on the OCCK case by 1981 Pulitzer Prize Winner David Ashenfelter. Perhaps such a talented writer will be able to connect some dots, or present what he developed in a manner that will assist many hoping to understand this case on a deeper level. ~~~~ So watch for it-
|
|
|
Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 17, 2012 2:46:26 GMT -5
I know your disappointed-However I'm not going to post any of your emails-on The Detroit Free Press -Occk History-because-no matter what we think or feel-it was a lot of work for someone to put it all together-and I have deep feelings for anyone who puts their time in to any project~
|
|
|
Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 17, 2012 17:24:35 GMT -5
Helen I don't get it.
The Kings swore up and down a few years back that Ted was involved. They proceeded with a lawsuit. But the fact was that Richard Lawson on his story had put a gremlin car in Bobbie Moore's dumpster. Didn't they have someone in that family that knew a gremlin car was not involved?
Now they are still pushing these bloody ligerates with Busch. Did these stains on the ropes turn black for some reason (within a year) in the color pictures? Was there anything in the autopsy reports that gave clues of wounds of rope marks that drew blood? It stated they were possibly bound but if rope actually drew blood around the wrists there would be signs. Wouldn't there?
I know there is wishful thinking on this and it's only human nature but when things don't line up - they don't line up. Matt
|
|
|
Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 17, 2012 18:01:25 GMT -5
Matt, Chris Busch is not the Oakland County Child Killer-Nor has he killed anyone-so what can I say that will make a difference-? No there where no marks that could have been made by rope on the children-they had some marks-however they were caused by there socks and Jackets-In one of the article,that I am working on-we go further into this-
|
|
|
Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 17, 2012 18:27:57 GMT -5
For those of you who wanted to know why I posted Matt's post-because it was made up of facts-I will run yours also-just put some facts in it-Ok -What is not except able is the bashing-I am just to busy to deal with it...
|
|
|
Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 17, 2012 18:50:11 GMT -5
Do I think the article was one sided ? lol-I haven't read much of it-I will try to get at it tonight-I read things a little differently than most people-I read for the facts and yes-I saw a few things that are absolutely not true-but then you have to remember that it appears that most of it is just rerun -people who have contacted me-said they saw nothing new-I have only read one story -so I'm not in a position to give an opinion-and really what does my opinion mean-to someone else work product? I say Bravo to the Detroit Free Press for taking on this challenge, I know how much work went into this-I did a 38 page one on Rogers City's 100 Birthday- for the Alpena News-and I thought I would go nuts-and I was just doing the interviews and writing the stories and taking photos-Others did the Lay out-So like I said- weather you like the contents or not-Think of all the work that went into this project...
|
|
|
Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 18, 2012 2:49:44 GMT -5
Well as you can see their is a total disregard of the evidence- and the truth-That is what happens when a person is dead-and there is no one to protect them- This whole Busch Saga is making me totally sick-It appears that some people do not want these cases solved-they would rather be viewed as being right-than knowing the truth-How Pathetic!
|
|