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Post by Helen Dagner on May 24, 2011 11:48:34 GMT -5
Helen,
Yes, perhaps good job on my part but much thanks to you for keeping this case alive. If we're lucky and Xxxxxxx is ever found guilty it will be 100% because of you. You deserve all the credit. Of course, today is baby step #1 again. who knows...maybe someone out there knows the truth...like Mr. King.
Jon
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 24, 2011 12:08:42 GMT -5
-I see Terri has made the Big Time!Finally!!-I just now got this in from Detroit ("You are going to get sick!!!! I just saw who I believe was Terri
on channel 4 news over this Gunnel's thing. They are going
to have more tonight but it shows her holding the print outs
of emails from him. She is always trying so hard to get in the
middle of this investigation and now she makes the news.")
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 24, 2011 13:11:00 GMT -5
My God Helen,How is it you are always first with the latest news,I live down here and I didn't even know about Terri and the emails & being on TV. Mary----Note: I really do have eyes all over and nothing escapes my contacts-It amazes even me!
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 24, 2011 15:43:28 GMT -5
Ok-I'm not going to run any of the emails you have sent in on Terri-and you all know I don't owe that gal any favors-So she didn't know who Oakland County Sheriff Johannes Spreen was--who really cares- Let us just let her live in her own world such as it is-Ignore her if she gets to you-I'm much to busy to get wrapped up in that crap-
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 24, 2011 17:07:12 GMT -5
Posted at bottom on- This & That
It appears to be the task force manual--
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 24, 2011 17:35:34 GMT -5
Hi Helen,
Glad to see John’s name in the FOI docs posted on Topix. Makes one wonder though…what the hell is going on? Sure does seem the board has done a complete 180 in the last few days. And exactly how did Cody end up on the news? I can’t wait to see this one…wonder how Gunnel’s fits in to the Cass Corridor group. J And where is Lilly??
One question though. Am I losing my mind (possibly) or could those hairs have actually been transferred through something as simple as washing the clothes in the local laundry matt? It seems I am always finding hair on clothes coming out of the wash.
Dan
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 24, 2011 18:46:09 GMT -5
Helen we know by now that Terri has been so full of nuts on so many things.
How anyone gives her any credence at all if very hard to believe.
Her stating in the past that the case was solved and they never told the
families is just so asinine. This task force manual is
such a joke that she praises. I don't even want to see the news
tonight as it will make me all the more sick of this investigation
and how it leads to her bullnuts. Isn't she the one that stated
that Kristine's body was handled by many and placed several
times. OK so maybe the multiple hairs could be explained. Or is
someone else playing games? I ask this because I thought the
footprints left at Kristine's drop was only by one person and that
person was wearing a 10 1/2 size shoe and it was evident. Surely the
footprints can indicate how many different kinds of shoe sizes and
shoes were present. It's kind of hard to explain multiple hairs
if the footprints indicate differently. Maybe it was just hair collected
from the car. Scott
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 24, 2011 23:20:49 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 25, 2011 13:36:08 GMT -5
www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6202290#post6202290It's going from bad to worse. I just watched the news and the the anchor guy says there's new information about Gunnels that News4 obtained from a woman who has involved herself in the investigation. I thought, "Oh, my god, I'll bet it's Terri Lynn!!!" And, sure enough, some woman by the name of Terri appears on my screen claiming she's been trading emails with this guy. I just looked at the ceiling and shook my head. One of the anchors introduced the case as one that has haunted residents "since the early seventies." Uhhh...the first murder occurred in 1976 and the other three in 1977. That would be the late seventies. This thing all over the place while all involved seem to be playing very fast and very loose with the facts. They once again say that Gunnels' hair was found on one of the victims but it is MITOCHONDRIAL DNA!!! It is not a positive match! And what did Gunnels say to Terri Lynn? Basically, that the authorities have treated him like the murderer when he is a victim of Chris Busch. That's it. That's what he keeps saying. He admits to nothing. He even told Terri Lynn that he was victimized by Chris Busch only and does not know the other people she's talking about but we know that she has a tendency to place unnamed, unknown suspects where none previously existed without offering a bit of proof in so doing so that's not surprising. Anyway the emails are on ClickOn Detroit so you can go there if you want to waste your time on this red herring. Xxxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 26, 2011 9:56:29 GMT -5
Helen, IMO,the posting of the FOIA papers show everyone that the MSP have been doing their job all along!Sue
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 26, 2011 10:13:39 GMT -5
Lilly,
First, regarding Helen and Cody, you have to understand their differences go way back, long before you or I became active on the message boards. I generally try to avoid getting in the middle unless someone gets particularly nasty such as waiting for names to appear in an obituary. Personally, I have no reason to believe that Cody is lying, and I absolutely believe Helen is telling the truth as she knows it, as relayed to her by a guy who is at worst guilty, and at best, a little crazy to take credit for such horrendous crimes.
I have read your book and found it interesting. Although I do not quite understand how you arrived at your killer (other than he fit your earlier theories of being a minister) I found your insight on the Cass Corridor to be quite interesting. In publishing, you called out a lot of people….bad people….who are not above using illegal and immoral tactics to both get what they want, or cover up the crimes. It is not surprising that enemies have been made. Please note, I am NOT saying that you deserve it, nor am I condoning that type of behavior. What I am saying is that you probably made a lot of powerful people very angry. That does not mean these same powerful people have anything to do with the OCCK.
Finally, think about this for a moment. For 20 + years Helen has been quite vocal about this case. For roughly a decade or so, she has been active online, posting all over the information super highway about LE, various suspects, etc. She has never hid behind an anonymous screen name, her email address, etc….has been out there for anyone to see. Yet, never once has anyone followed her or has she been terrorized. In my *opinion*, this tells me it’s far more likely that your reign of terror is coming from somewhere other than the OCCK. The same can be said for Cody…she’s out there, more so, she has reached out to some of these people – they know how to find her. It was not until recently, when the focus took a turn towards the Corridor, that her emails were stolen.
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 26, 2011 12:04:00 GMT -5
If LE can prove that he drew that picture; then John has some explaining to do as he would be physically connected with Busch. Do you know if LE would ever plan to go that drawing match analyst route? Its real interesting about the code in that picture "I may owe U 4". Very Zodiac killerish. First the gun barrel with John's last name, now the code in the drawing. There may be other clues purposely placed with the other two murders, as well.
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 26, 2011 15:54:25 GMT -5
MihalicH
Anthony Mitchell
Stebbins
Ten Mile Rd (where Mark Stebbins was dropped0
I-75 (where Jill Robinson was dropped off)
RobinsoN
KinG
Sunnydale (Where water tower was)
Kristine Mihalich was dropped off at Bruce Lane in Franklin and Tim King was dropped off at Gill Rd. in Livonia. I have to figure out A and another S. Bruce Danto may have been his psychiatrist; therefore Bruce Lane. I'm not sure if he knew a Gil?
Greg Note- Yep It Spells Hastings-Good Job-And s would be snow!-I got it!! A is for Anthony Mitchell and S for either S. Bradway Blvd or Sunnydale (where the Water Tower was - do a mapquest).
The V in th cryptogram of his face could be for V or roman numeral 5 as in 5 victims!
Helen, you need to call Don Staut or someone you trust in LE, ASAP.
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 26, 2011 16:08:39 GMT -5
Well LE has quit reading Topix-I just got this in-"Helen,I must be losing my reading comp skills because I really don't see how she
got "respect" out of Lilly's condescending post to you. I think they should have left that Lilly and Cody in retirement. I can not waste my time reading that junk,Cass and Fox Island have nothing to do with the Occk.As for the rest of the postings,they belong in emails or phone calls to each other. Xxxxxxx Cop1
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 26, 2011 18:49:43 GMT -5
Helen;
I believe that there could be something coded in Mark's sketch.
And the person that pointed this out to you made some very good
observations.
However, I think this latest cross word puzzle endeavor means
nothing. It is really going over the edge with this as I believe if you
look into anything long enough you can get it to spell anything you
want. Of course this is just all my humble opinion.
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