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[Helen Dagner]

CandyO

Champaign, IL

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#5855
2 hrs ago


Mybrotherskeeper wrote:
The 1-6-10 FOIA request to the MSP was for "All records related to Christopher Brian Busch and Gregory Green." The 1-12-10 letter from the MSP estimates the processing fee at $11,525.49, calculated as follows: duplication costs of $2,070; mailing costs of $62.30; 5 CD's at $25; and estimated labor costs of $5,703.54, based on the hourly wage of the lowest paid MSP employees capable of retrieving, examining, reviewing, and separating exempt and nonexempt material 138 hours at $41.33/hour and 55 hours at $66.63/hour.
The records themselves contain transcripts of interviews of Larry Wasser (yes, the name "Larry" appears in the transcript, not redacted and it is clear they are interviewing the private polygraph examiner of Chris Busch), John Hastings, victims of Busch and Green and relatives of Chris Busch. A DVD is mentioned in relation to the polygraph exam of Hastings, but there is no way LE would provide a copy of that, or a transcript of the polygraph exam.
So, many of the tapes were transcribed as a matter of course, and were provided in the FOIA request in semi-redacted form. Of course, if there was anything truly helpful, I am sure it as withheld as "exempt."

CandyO

Champaign, IL -I have not read these documents as closely as Keeper has but I can verify that John takes up a good quarter of the stack that is well over a foot high. And I can also verify that his story changes from his first interviews in the 90's to the most recent one from Georgia. After reading these docs there is no way John should be dismissed from scrutiny. No way.

I hope the recent news blitz that is squeezing LE instead of using them as their sole source brings about a more intense and focused investigation. Squeeze Gunnels, Busch's brother, John, John's siblings and find any of the former victims of Busch, Greene etc.
Mybrotherskeeper

Naperville, IL

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I also believe the case will never be "solved" and that this is due, not so much to degraded evidence and other logical excuses, but to politics and ass-covering. This adds outrage to one of the most heinous unsolved serial murders in the history of the country.

A good friend pointed out that if the pages released in the FOIA action, which were redacted, filtered and selective, imagine how much MORE content there is in discovery that involves current investigative subjects vs. dead ones.

Remember the person(s) who posted on Helen's site a time or two way back when, who alluded to men playing different parts in these crimes? That different monsters played different roles--abduction, rape, homicide, body disposal? This person stated that Kris' body was moved after initially being placed in a spot where she was not found. The person mentioned this involving more than one person.

I still say the MSP and Oakland County can and will withhold whatever they want so that they not only do not advance the investigation, but thwart it.

I will add some interesting info from the FOIA documents later. And remember, this is just the stuff they selectively released. Contrary to Michigan law, they did not provide a list of documents/DVDs/CDs that were withheld, along with an explanation of why they are considered exempt from production. I am sure many documents, like some of the evidence in this case, were destroyed years ago.(Like that second report on the LeMans, prepared in conjunction with the Detroit FBI office in 1977/78.)
Helen Dagner

Petoskey, MI

1 min ago

Well I would like to add this-I can tell you that LE has started to read Topix-Before 9am I had my A-- chewed up twice!!...When they going to learn-they can not control me...I'm on a mission...

[Helen Dagner]

MSP Supplemental Incident Report dated October 20, 2009:

This entry describes the meeting between Dt/Sgt. Garry Gray and the mother and sister of Kristine Mihelich on October 19, 2009.

"Debbie [Kris's Mom] was shown a number of photographs,(Busch and Greene,[redacted, but probably Gunnels), as well as sketches from that time period on the suspect. Debbie closely examined it all, especially the Busch photographs with nil results. Debbie stted that Busch looked like anyone from that time period and she had no recollection of his photo, whatsoever. The same applied to the sketches and other suspects involved in the current lead.

Erica [Kris' sister] then asked if Busch's suicide could have been a homicide. Both were advised that detectives look at all angles of investigation, especially after this long of a time period, and nothing is ruled out, however, as of this date, there has been no evidence or information which would suggest anything other than a suicide that was investigated back in 1978.

After viewing the suspect photo's, both were then taken to the Child Killer case file room where a complete list of suspects were listed, to see if she recognized any of the names on the suspect board. Both Erica and Debbie studied the list of names to no avail. They recognized none of them.

The two were given a brief summation of the current lead,(involving Busch) and were both advised how the lead was developed through the Livonia Police Department. HOWEVER, SENSITIVE CASE PARTICULARS,(IE) POLYGRAPHS, THE ATLANTA INVESTIGATION WERE NOT DISCUSSED." [Emphasis added.]

[Helen Dagner]

Helen Dagner-Petosky Mi
Let me clear a few things up from your last post- you said (If it had matched.....John ? You'd be jumping up and down and screaming you were right !!!!)* Cody Your wrong! I would not take any pleasure in anything that had to do with someone else & their down fall or conviction--and your not paying attention-I want these cases solved,but I don't want the wrong person named-whether they are alive or dead!...Now back to the question of your age at the time of these murders-you don't have to state your age on this forum...but you and I both and your pals know-that you were not the age you stated when you told the story about how you always wonder if they meant to abduct you because you look so much like Kris-it is all those hundreds of post that you were deceptive in-people do not for get that stuff-It is not your being on TV or the emails-In fact I was glad to see what you looked like-and it was just like I thought you would...

[Helen Dagner]

-Helen Dagner- Petosky Mi-Lilly,You and your gang have a distorted thought pattern, and I don't see that changing-Do I think all these things are happening to you-NO--see here is the problem-you all talk and talk and never any proof-It is all he said-she said and I'm sure that you all just take this for granted-but the only time,that your really certain of anything is when one of you are bashing the cops-then it is all smiles-you offer No facts-just yada -yada -yada-and here is a fact that you can not deny-No one has done more damage to the memory of these child victims than Terri-and I read your book-It was...well it was-like a friend of hers would write-there was not a fact in there-so don't try and make me out to be the bad guy-What ever your point is that you would like to get out to the public-it is not happening-maybe if you stop talking in the 3rd person-and stop all these fairy tales people would take note-right now -your just another nut posting at Topix-Now if you could get some facts out there -that could be proven-something that could be checked out...hey maybe you could change my mind-as for Busch-If you would have looked into this at all-If you had even talked to one person who had some facts-you would know that Busch has never killed anyone!...and anyone that has any common sence at all-should be able to see that No one from Cass could have done these killings-nor could any gang of sex nuts-The facts Lilly The Facts-That is all anyone is Interested in...