Cyber Grapevine~

[Helen Dagner]

www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=601787&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US What ever happen to Kimberly King ? Since this guy always wanted to work his way into the Oakland County Child Killer Cases and In to McKinneys case--I think he should tell us what he knows about Kimberly---we all know him by several different screen names-His name is Cary Wilkie-aka-Pembrook-Grayfield-Roger That-Pighead-C--,Derby and several other names that have significant meaning to the killing area in Oakland County --at one time he did live at 1776 Derby Road,which was a couple of blocks from Tim King a victim of the Occk--Then he boasted of being a friend of John Mckinney,even that he had worked at his Gallery-all this was a ruse---He also stalked me all over the Internet for the last -eight years-was all this stalking to get me off of his track? To lead me in a wrong direction? I think so- So why did Cary move his ex wife and son out to San Diego...right after a friend of his had been question about Kimberly? The friend never left town....

[Helen Dagner]

Missing Since: September 16, 1979 from Warren, Michigan
Classification: Non-Family Abduction
Date Of Birth: October 21, 1966
Age: 12 years old
Height and Weight: 5'5, 105 pounds
Distinguishing Characteristics: Blonde hair, blue eyes. Kimberly's nickname is Kim.
Clothing Description: A blue sweater and Levi's jeans.
POSTED AT TOPIX -date unknown
The truth about Kim.
In 1979 Kim left a friend’s house to make a pay phone call at a nearby party store. Walking back to her friend’s house a neighbor of Kim’s spotted her. Her neighbor L** and his wife and 2 year old daughter lived across the street from Kim. The couple had mentioned a few times to Kim that they might need a baby sitter and asked if she was interested. L** pulled over to ask her if she wanted to make some quick money. He told her he needed Kim to watch his daughter while he and his wife took his mother-in-law to the hospital. The mother-in-law was sick and lived a few blocks over. Kim agreed and got in the car. When she got in the car L** told her that they would go over to his mother-in-laws house and she could call her father from there to let him know where she was. L** then drove 4 blocks away to the mobile home he owned in the neighborhood. He purchased the mobile home in 1973 and lived there until he moved onto D*** street with his new wife and child. Kim had no idea that the house was not the mother-in-laws house. Once inside the house L** yelled for his wife who he knew was not there. When he got to the back bedroom he said “oh my god, come here quick, I think she needs help” Kim rushed to the back room to find it empty except for a king sized bed that filled the room and left little space to walk. L** grabbed Kim and forced her to the bed. For days he had his way with her. No matter how much she struggled she couldn’t get loose.
There wasn’t any news report. Nothing was written in the paper. One officer showed up at Kim’s house to take the missing persons report. The police gave her case little attention because they believed she was a runaway.
After a few days Kim became weaker and weaker. She barely fought when L** took her tided up body to the bath tub and simply held her under water until the bubbL** stop. Earlier that day L** dug a shallow whole under his mobile home. The mobile homes on both sides were empty. Very few people pay attention to their neighbors in trailer parks where drug addicts and prostitutes live. She was buried next to L**’ first victim an 18 year old girl who went missing 4 years earlier.
Kim and L remained together under L**’ trailer home for almost 3 years. L** reburied their bodies on the in-laws property up north. Although L** came from a very violent and deviant family he also married into one. L** once held evidence to tie one of his brother in-laws to a local unsolved murder. He thought if anyone every got close to discovery his secret he could pin the murders on his brother-in-law.
Sometime in 1983 L** sent an anonymous letter to the police stating he had killed Kim and buried her in a state park. To this day the local police have never questioned him about her murder. I now appear L** has a heart condition and will never be brought to justice

[Helen Dagner]

Yes Helen I know this area very well.. this was my dad's mail-route,as he was a postal carrier
for the city of Warren for 28 years, I remember
going with my mom on many different occasions to
drop some lunch off to my dad and she would pick-up the check and we would go to the bank.
But however, this area I know like the back of my hand. I would also like to make mention of
some hold-back info at this time, We (my parent's and sibling's & I lived next door to
the Warren police Lt, who later ended-up becoming the Warren police Commissioner. I will withhold his name out of respect to the family,
but he and his wife, and my parents were always at the back-yard fence discussing everything and anything, especially my mother and his wife. One day I can remember playing over by the trailer and listening in to one of their conversation's
as the police Lt. he always had some pretty interesting stories to tell my parents, and I
overheard my dad ask Lt. H.K. "Do they know if
the Oakland killer killed this child too"?
And I still remember the looks on everyone's
face. And he said no,... all we have at this time is they found the child at 13 mile and
Schoehnerr by the wall of K-mart's in the apartment parking-lot near the dumpster, and they think he was at Burger king also.
I still remember wanting to throw-up right then and there. Not to mention that was my favorite K-marts. Then as I was rounding the back side of the garage my dad told me to go ride my bike, as I pretended to not have heard a word.

Also(I have not confirmed this info yet, but..) there was another child laid-out at the (Pine Apartment's) on 10 mile rd west of Mound
in Warren ,It was supposidly on the news& I never have looked into that one or asked, but know my ex claims he did it with his friend Mike M. who lived on Blackmar, he also said he waited for that child and another little girl at the Quik-Pic and kidnapped them, both abduction's were at different times.
and I was told that Kimberly King is buried in Capac.(why he said buried in Capac,I don't know) I don't know to believe him or not because of that little
Kimberly King girl who went missing and they never found her or really confirmed the Occk did it. And last, I am aware that there was/is a Xxxxxxx relative on Old Stage Road in Bingham Farms,Mich. who's house Tom used to frequent quit often. It would be just north of 13 mile rd. east of Fromm st. not far from that 23011 property keep mentioning that Sullivan owned
and then sold it and turned it into a young/men
boy's home for troubled youth. They ended-up
growing/selling poppy-plants,heorin,opium out of there and young boy's were coming and going prostituting from the house all the time, it was also kind of a nursing-home too. Many report's were filled out
pertaining to this house as it was under investigation/surveillance for a while.

[Helen Dagner]

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Iasisa, afte reading your post I wanted to let you know that 6 months after Tim was abducted there was another murder in Birmingham. This was on Haynes St., a businessman John McKinney. I don't know if Bham police can be given credit for solving Sheila Srocks murder but the ass who killed her is in prison for it. Birmingham PD has been ineffective on the King and McKinney cases and I don't think they either care or try at this stage. After 30 years none of them even know about the cases, with the exception of Sundt, but I have yet to see a word from him ever about McKinney. They simply don't care. Maybe they are just overwhelmed with cold case murders there in Bham. Two of them. And it is one of the wealthiest cities in the country. No budget for a cold case investigation equals no one cares any more. I lived in that city for more than 25 years, my dad was an auxiliary cop there, but they never gave me the time of day when I would go down to the station to see if I could learn anything about McKinney. And there was never a printed word about the capture, arrest, trial or incarceration of Sheilas killer.

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Owning Your Own Shadow wrote:
Iasisa, afte reading your post I wanted to let you know that 6 months after Tim was abducted there was another murder in Birmingham. This was on Haynes St., a businessman John McKinney. I don't know if Bham police can be given credit for solving Sheila Srocks murder but the ass who killed her is in prison for it. Birmingham PD has been ineffective on the King and McKinney cases and I don't think they either care or try at this stage. After 30 years none of them even know about the cases, with the exception of Sundt, but I have yet to see a word from him ever about McKinney. They simply don't care. Maybe they are just overwhelmed with cold case murders there in Bham. Two of them. And it is one of the wealthiest cities in the country. No budget for a cold case investigation equals no one cares any more. I lived in that city for more than 25 years, my dad was an auxiliary cop there, but they never gave me the time of day when I would go down to the station to see if I could learn anything about McKinney. And there was never a printed word about the capture, arrest, trial or incarceration of Sheilas killer.
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A fine post, but you didn't indicate where it came from. I'll do it for you. It can be found on The Lisa Life blog. Written Oct 2006.

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lol-no one who wanted to read anything about the Occk would go to lisa's Blog.That is why I didn't mention it.I understand she has never gotten anything right! But I want to know this from you.Is it true that you left Michigan right after the KIMBERLY ALICE KING disappearance?You sure moved around a lot. So how do you like it at your trailer park in
Long Grove, Iowa ?
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Living here is fine, it's an older park out in the country, lots of trees and peaceful, been here 12 years. It would be true if KAK dissapeared about early Nov 1979, I'm not too familiar with the case, although I read about it at some time, why? It seems you must have a mis-understanding about the blog, I personally like it quite a bit.

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I lived in Wayne County, Michigan from 1968-1977. When I was five years old (1974) a man stopped his car, opened the passenger side door, leaned over to me and asked me if I wanted a ride home. I told him no.(A police officer had recently visited my kindergarten class to talk to us about strangers.)
After watching a show about serial killers, and learning about this particular one, I began to think back. This man didn't drive a grimlin. He drove a car that was tan, with a white roof. He had black hair and wore dark rimmed.
This is probably a different man since he didn't drive the same car and was not dark skinned.
The idea this man is still lose is horrible. That incident gave me nightmares for many years.
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PIG HEAD, I think it is interesting that every where you have lived is an area with a heavy sex offenders population.Wonder why that is?
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PIG HEAD you posted this--"By the way, I talked to members of the original task
force in 1977, I do have more knowledge of OCCK than what has been
reported in the newspapers." Well let's hear the extra knowledge, Cary!(cough)No?
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Owning Your Own Shadow wrote:
PIG HEAD, I think it is interesting that every where you have lived is an area with a heavy sex offenders population.Wonder why that is?

"Owning Your Own Shadow" is HD.

I just took a quick look at the US Dept of Justice website for the national sex offender public information for my zip code and found 0(zero) offenders listed. I then put in your city and the list was too large to show without more specific data.
Now what exactly is the point of your post?

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PIG HEAD is-Serially Successful
America's Most Wanted will be calling next: Very enlightening story ["The Babysitter Killer," May 2]. I am impressed. Very good work.

There is info in your story I have never read before, and I have been following this case closely for years. I was a Birmingham resident for 30-plus years. Since you did such a good job, here's something for you to look at also: Six months after Tim was abducted, a friend of mine was also killed in Birmingham, and that case has never been solved. Maybe you can dig up a connection, although my friend was an adult. His name was John McKinney.

I hope Theodore starts to spill the beans soon, before someone kills him.

Cary Wilkie
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PIG HEAD-
Started out with guns drawn and verbal jibes equivalent to a bayonet charge.Now,he is speechless? Yet, I remember a post from Helen's Board, that he posted that said
"This is a serious matter to me and I want to see any developments and discussions on an open forum."
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Owning Your Own Shadow wrote:
PIG HEAD, I think it is interesting that every where you have lived is an area with a heavy sex offenders population.Wonder why that is?

And again, what's the point of your post? There's more sex offenders registered in your location than in mine.

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PIG HEAD-
Started out with guns drawn and verbal jibes equivalent to a bayonet charge.Now,he is speechless? Yet, I remember a post from Helen's Board, that he posted that said
"This is a serious matter to me and I want to see any developments and discussions on an open forum."

Why not post the responses after my "open forum" comment. HD didn't want any part of that, did she? She wants private emails, all behind closed doors so as to have first crack at anything interesting.

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lol-no one who wanted to read anything about the Occk would go to lisa's Blog.That is why I didn't mention it.I understand she has never gotten anything right! But I want to know this from you.Is it true that you left Michigan right after the KIMBERLY ALICE KING disappearance?You sure moved around a lot. So how do you like it at your trailer park in
Long Grove, Iowa ?

And you never answered why you wanted to know about the timing of me moving from Michigan. So again why do you want to know this from me?

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PIG HEAD you posted this--"By the way, I talked to members of the original task
force in 1977, I do have more knowledge of OCCK than what has been
reported in the newspapers." Well let's hear the extra knowledge, Cary!(cough)No?

Owning Your Own Shadow (cough)(cough). No!

[Helen Dagner]

Still no answer from Cary Wilkie,well I have been trying to get one since 2007...guess I will have to look up his other friends and the bodies they were question about...Hmmm who has more than one friend that has been question about and unsolved murder??

[Helen Dagner]

To answer your emails -Are we done with the Cary Wilkie posts-Note: Not by a long shot!