More Current Email and Occk Feedback

[Helen Dagner]

Yes,I am aware of the other addresses...However,this also is not a topic of discussion at this time....your just going to have to wait all of this out,,,like the rest of us...sorry

[Helen Dagner]

Helen, didn't John use to call you Angela Landsbury ? ED Note-No he never called me that to my face...But he did refer to me as Angela Landsbury,the gal from Murder She Wrote,every time the cops would interview him..lol

[Helen Dagner]

I'm getting so many notifications from Facebook,of people signing up to be my friend-please don't take this personal-I just do not have time to do Facebook-I originally signed up for it just to post some Occk graphics-I had no intentions of doing anything more--

[Helen Dagner]

I want these cases solved and I'm in your corner and have been since Day
1 when I came across your story on Todd Mathews site. What in the world
would be your motive to make this stuff up and why would John have led
you on about something so serious? You have a police background, have
great contacts and have done terrific leg work (eg. the houses John's
family owned, John McKinney, the water tower "accident", Northville
Psychiatric, etc). Although they may not admit it at this time, you are
an ally to LE, the families and the community who want closure and
justice to this case, IMO. I'm sure many others besides me appreciate
you keeping this case alive. Thank you for your wonderful efforts. Xxxx

[Helen Dagner]

So, since I don 't "know" anything about the John interview or the recent stuff, is there anything I can post about his trances that hasn't been addressed already? Or is there anything I can add that might be helpful to the trance specialist?
Xxxx

[Helen Dagner]

Helen;

This thing has dragged on for 20 years for you now and I don't honestly care
about people's memory or he said she said s---t. It don't mean sh---t.
We need evidence.

If there is a picture of that d**n thing in the background hanging from the ceiling
we don't care who is in the picture. Tell her to cut all the people out of the picture
and just send a picture of that thing. Xxxx

[Helen Dagner]

Helen, I have a few questions and comments on the Oakland Child Murders.

No.1 Why did the mother of John's child want you to meet with him?

No.2 How old was John when the murders took place?

No.3 Did John own a car and a shot gun?

No.4 What was John's occupation at the time and what was his intelligent level?

No.5 Does John have a criminal record and for what?

No.6 You stated one of the victims book "JILL" was inscribed with something.
Was this ever released to the public?
Did John know what it stated?

[Helen Dagner]

LOL--I won't even try to get all this email up-until later-so much has come in on this Busch deal in the past 2 hours-that i haven't even been able to read them all--when do you people sleep?

[Helen Dagner]

Hi Helen,

My 2 cents, FWIW. Yes, I do believe the Channel 4 story. This is great news, as far as I'm concerned. However, I still believe your John story and this information may get us closer to the truth.

I know I am rehashing old thoughts but who killed the children? Well, I don't think Busch did it. It's not his method of operation. As he raped/molested Gunnels, why did he not do the same to the two boys? They were anally sexually assaulted with an object, post-mortem. C'mon, Busch would have had "his way" with these two boys; especially since they were both in captivity for days. Kevin Dietz mentioned on the radio this morning that many in Law Enforcement do NOT think Busch is the killer but is somehow related. They also don't think he would have committed suicide with a shotgun.

Also, how does one explain the two girls being kidnapped and held in captivity for days? Busch was a real scruffy guy who would not have bathed, cleaned the children. I guess Gunnels could have but it shoots the entire Busch theory because like I said I don't think Busch was around these kids.

Then, there is the artist picture. Did Busch draw that picture of Mark Stebbins? Or was it planted to make his death seem like a suicide in an attempt to frame him for the killings? We do know that John xxxxxx loved art. He loved to draw - see his picture in the 1967 BR yearbook in Art Class. Whoever drew THAT picture IS the killer or knows the real killer.

So to me this DNA match is good news. Law enforcement needs this Gunnells guy to sing like a bird. My hunch is that it will eventually lead to a xxxxxxxx connection. The composite suspect drawings were not of a 16 year old person. Perhaps Busch had more than one lure getting his kids for him (e.g.. Mike xxxxxxxz).

I'd like to know more about Gunnels. Where did he go to high school, where did he live at the time, etc? Is Fox island connected after all? I still suspected Mike to be the link to Busch in some way. I think he was a Fox Island "boy". We know that Mike still likes to "hustle" for money.

Please let me know what you think, when you get a chance. I know you must be "working it" today with your connections (haha).

Greg

[Helen Dagner]

Hi Helen,

What do you think about all this? I’ll tell you my
thoughts…..mitochondrial dna runs in the woman’s side of the family, so
you can match a 2nd, 3rd, or even 10thcousin. The article makes it
sound they don’t think the guy is the killer, just that he knows
the person who is. Very interesting article though…it also makes it
sound like there was a group involved.
Robert

[Helen Dagner]

The good news is I think he puts the case back in the public's mind and they will be expecting answers from law Enforcement. Geo

[Helen Dagner]

I am sending back 85% of the emails I received -because you mention the victims family-I will not run them like they are-we are not going to beat-up on the family....remember that when you send in your posts...

[Helen Dagner]

From: "PATRICK T. COFFEY"
Sent: May 19, 2011 8:34 AM
To:
Subject: OCCK Case development





www.clickondetroit.com/video/27949928/index.html





Hello Friends and Family,



Here is the latest in the OCCK case. As I have known for a while, there IS a living suspect who has been matched with DNA in the case. While he was also a clear teen victim of the greater group who abducted these children, there is a debate as to whether he (James Vincent GUNNELS) played any primary or secondary roles in a subordinate way with the known molestors (Busch, Greene, & Others) while he was under their control or influence. Besides the homicides themselves, there are the lesser crimes of abduction / kidnapping, illegal sex acts, or dumping of the bodies to be considered. The current debate is whether Gunnels is to be seen as a victim, or co-perpetrator if a case is to be made. I don't know what the law was in 1976/77 in regard to a fifteen or sixteen year old as he was, or if such a person could be charged with a felonies as an adult, or just as a juvenile. California's, among other States, currently CAN put teens on trial as adults for some crimes as young as age fourteen. I am not sure about Michigan law. As always, I am forever humbled to have been in a position to be able to push the first domino that started the chain of events that have gone into this case being revealed.



Regards,



Patrick T. Coffey

[Helen Dagner]

Nice Metaphor with the Domino-But I think Patrick T. Coffey is some kind of glory seeking hound, If he thinks for one minute he is the one that got the Occk resurrected, He is Delusional !! Dave

[Helen Dagner]

Pat, Haha. Wow. Talk about barking up the wrong tree.

When this Gunnels information hit the airways in the Detroit area today it was made to sound like Law Enforcement was MUCH closer to solving this case due to the "official" DNA match. I welcome this because any publicity is good publicity in that it creates public interest, gets news reporters active and sets expectations for LE to solve the case. Jack