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[Helen Dagner]

Today's Big question that (Busy Bodies) want to know-Is why hasn't John Sued Helen? Let me give you a little back ground-Back in the early 90's When John and I were friends-then I told the cops what John had said to me-we still remain friends...Until his first Polygraph and a phone call from his sister made John scared -because she threaten him to get out of my friend Sott's home (was a homeless Shelter for men) and to stay away from me and the mother of his child -as she "feared we would find out the Family Secret"-Well then John got all upset and told her he had his passport and would go overseas-Just like he did the last time! So I got all upset because I thought he would disappear and no one would ever be able to find him-So I ran out the door when he was still talking to his sister-and I didn't even Jump in my car-I just ran to the Alpena Police Dept and asked them to call Birmingham PD and tell Studt -That John is going to take off overseas-Studt said I don't think he will Helen because we will be taking him for his second polygraph -and he wouldn't do anything that stupid now...Well when I got back to Scott's house -John was upset...and he said to me -where did you run off to-I said the Alpena PD...then his eyes started spinning-and he said you are trying to get me locked up and you are so in a hurry to do that-that you run down there -instead of taking your car? So he wanted to know why I was eaves dropping on his phone call from upstairs and what did I hear? I told him enough to know your the Killer! ...and he said absolutely nothing-didn't even look up-and that PMO-all the guys were standing a round the meat block with John and they said -tell her John you are not the Killer-still no response and he still wouldn't look at me-I lost it! I started to scream at him-tell me John and look me in the face when you do it-he still wouldn't say anything-So Scott who was his spiritual adviser said John could I talk to you upstairs? So I stayed and it was two hours before they came down and John is still not looking at me or talking to me-So Scott comes over and says Helen he said he didn't do it-I laugh right out loud-I remember saying well your not the one he should be telling this to-I'm the one accusing him of being a Serial Killer-So I said well John are you going to tell me you didn't do it? So finally with out looking up he said I didn't do it! So I just stood there waiting for more to come-the guys all took off and there was only John and I and he comes over in front of my face-and says "You put my name in a book & I will Sue you" I said don't worry about it-I will not put your name in a book-until you are arrested!-So that was the first I ever heard the word Sue from John-The next time I heard it was from a conversation that his sister Mary had with my daughter-who she had mention something to the effect of suing me-My daughter said-go a head and do it if I know my Mother she will welcome this -just to get it into court. Then the next time I knew of his desire to sue me was when the cops flew out to Atlanta and John asked them -If they thought he could sue me-They told him sure but you will have to wait until you are cleared -because your not off the Radar yet-so they said do you want to take a polygraph and see if you can clear your self? John said yes-set it up-well the polygraph didn't take place for almost a year later-and they had told John when they flew back out of Atlanta-remember if you don't show up for the polygraph -it will look bad for you and you won't be able to sue Helen--So when the time came -John went to have his polygraph in Atlanta-and he was really on comfortable-visibly shaken-he sat for a while and then they had the pre exam questions -I guess all the pre-exam questions had to do with me-Then they gave him the three test for Mark Jill and Kris -and he failed on one of the question-he was upset-and told the examiner he was set up-he was there to clear himself-and he asked him all those pre-exam questions having to do with me and he couldn't think about anything else during the exam-he stomp out of that office just a raving -then he called the polygraph er about a week or so later-they played phone tag for hours-then when they finally talked- John said-I was going to ask you about the book...but now I think I answered that just how I felt-that was it -So other than the FOIA papers from Studts interview -where John mention several times that he was going to sue me-I haven't heard a word about it any more-and I sure gave him a lot of opportunity over the pass several years when I called him-for him to say that to me-

[Helen Dagner]

Lilly

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I don't know, defamation is hard to prove. Maybe he doesn't have the money. Then again, seems like any reasonable person would at least get an attorney to write a cease and desist letter threatening to sue.

Let’s try this and see if it fits. He knows what he told her. He knows she isn’t lying about what he told her. If he was lying to her and yanking her chain as you say, then he really doesn’t have grounds to sue her. He would be admitting to telling her these things than admitting he was lying. So where is her liability?

And you can not accuse someone of lying or slander unless you can prove they are lying. If I call you an a-hole and you sue me, I guess you would have to prove you are not an a-hole and that I am lying to prove I slandered you? I’m not a lawyer but it makes sense.

He is also bright enough to know that once he opens that door, he will have so many questions thrown at him that he really doesn’t want to answer. So I guess the answer to your question is he doesn’t dare go that route. He doesn’t want to answer the questions HE would be asked if he sues HER.
I have to believe Helen would welcome a law suit. What an opportunity to finally question JH. He is hiding under his bed.

[Helen Dagner]

I know this is a waste of my time-However Since Patrick and others have continually brought up John suing me---and altho -Patrick gave a good explanation-You mite want to think about this-John's sister worked a very long time for a famous Lawyer in Southfield-She is also a very Brilliant person who most likely belongs to Mensa-I am sure she has discussed this with John as to what do I have-This family does not have money problems-so do you think it could be something else? Like He has no grounds? This family is smart enough to not just want a big show-also let me explain this-I was sued by a Sheriff from Montmorency County Michigan-for one million dollars during the time of the child killings (I how ever did not know anything about the child murders at that time) and that is because I was kind of busy defending my self in court-I actrualy closed down my newspaper because I had to travel to Petoskey Michigan so much-I was exhausted-The Sheriff sued me the night before his re-election -thinking it would get him re elected-But he lost the election by a land slide-and yes I'm sure I played a part in it-as I was covering a story-where he covered up a murder-..well probably more then one-for people who don't know Montmorency County Michigan has a lot of Mafia-mostly retired-I went through a lot with that case-I had best friends that were Lawyers and Prosecutors-that I had gotten elected -That lied on the Witness stand-But it never made it to a jury-Because The Judge was a really smart guy-when we went in to the Judges chambers-I started to cry-to think all these people had lied...but on the way out my Attorneys and I were the only ones smiling-When you win a Big Law Sued like that on your own merit-trust me their is nothing that would make me fear a law sued on the Occk-

[Helen Dagner]

Your statements are very bold and interesting. You claim John never uttered Busch's name to you but you said he referenced Busch as a friend in mentioning his suicide. If that is true, that is a great clue that Busch and John may have teamed up and showed John had reason not to mention Busch's name. However if you did not know who John was referring to and Busch was barely a blip on the radar screen at the time, I would love to know how you learned Busch's name before Truth Dude learned it. Enquiring minds want to know. Is this old news or new news? Notles

[Helen Dagner]

It is old news-I actually learned the Busch name in 2004 -but I didn't know what I had-I was interviewing Johns Dad-and It was a question about if he knew any neighbors around there from the 76-77 time frame-he said well there were some Busch' the Dad was a big Guy at the Auto Company-I then took what I wanted out of the Interview and put it away--then I had a reason some time later to go back to the interview when I was working on the water Tower death-I was looking to see who the boys were at the water tower-and I noted this Busch guy had several sons-no names--and I thought wonder if they had one that commit suicide on the same day as my husband only 5 years difference as John had mention-So I sent to a friend of mine who is on Topix now and asked her if she could find out anything on this family and the rest is History-Helen

[Helen Dagner]

I do not have any news ready today for this thread-but I can tell you that I am very busy -doing some research on the case-a few things -that I didn't even know~I will try to get them up soon-Good Nite

[Helen Dagner]

And I think both the left and the right should celebrate people who have different opinions, and disagree with them, and argue with them, and differ with them, but don't just try to shut them up.
Roger Ebert

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[Helen Dagner]

Helen, did you see this post of Lillys?" Do you think they would cover a story about the families and a group of concerned citizens hand delivering a letter to the AG along with a candle light vigil?

It could site the many reasons there is an appearance of a conflict of interest with the current investigative bodies and ask for an independent investigator.

If he or his office callously blows them off, he would have to do it on camera with a microphone stuck in his face." What do you think ,will it work?( Kim)~~Note-Absolutely,however you don't make it work for the long run like that-Instead -you plan the event-you invite all the Key players to the activity-and in the invitation you ask if they would say a few words-about the victims of the 35 yr old case-which they will all accept the invitation-and then you will have it going on-and will have a big crowed-and you will have some people there that really can make a difference- You invite the Prosecutors-The Cops -MSP-Senators -Congress men and woman-and you will think of a lot more people- like L Brooks Patterson-You need to think Big on this-to make it work in your favor-then everyone -will turn out as- they wold be embarrassed -not too

[Helen Dagner]

Helen, how would one get started on a candle light vigil? Sue~ Note-Well if your going to have celebrates there would have to be at least a 3 month plan -as they would have scheduling conflicts that other wise could not be altered-Interestingly enough-there are a lot of famous people -who actually grew up in Oakland county at the time of the child killings-3 months also gives you a lot of time for you to notify local people-as this would be open to the public-and Local news Media could run different story's to keep it out there -Like sally's sister June plans to fly in for the Memorial-and So in so went to school with Mark-You get the Idea- Other people who may come-“To Catch a Predator” Chris Hansen. who is from the Oakland County Area~ John Walsh host of the television program America's Most Wanted.~ Polly Klaas® Foundation-Her Dad~Nancy Grace~Ect Ect-Just get a group of people together -chose a place for it to be held-Get with the families-and the local News Media-and then it will become possible-

They all come at there own expence-Just because they care