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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 16, 2011 11:36:33 GMT -5
Helen,How come Cathy King hates Gray and Robertson so much? Answer-Well this is what she told me- "Cory Williams told me long ago that Gray and Robertson asked a lot of questions about me, implying that they don't like me too much. I said that's fine, because I hate them. Gray complained to Cory that I am just a daddy's girl who goes running/complaining to her daddy when she doesn't get her way. What an a-hole. Now there is someone who consistently underestimates people, especially women. What a pig. Cathy * Let me make a note here-from what I know of Gray and Robertson,they would never say that.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 16, 2011 12:36:04 GMT -5
In Reff to johns Interview/Wow, what a load of crap. Deny, deny, deny. I guess since they didn't have anything they could really pin on him, he got to walk out again. I'm glad they at least did make the effort, so he know that he is on their radar. Amazing he said he just loved to follow these kind of stories. What an "out". How frustrating. ----- Original Message ----- mo
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 16, 2011 19:45:14 GMT -5
Helen,The Animated Tribute to the four Oakland County Occk Victims.was so dignified and personalized,that I found it very touching and moving.The Map of the pick up and drop off of each victim,was startling the way it put everything into a complete geographic and time perspective,not found anywhere else on the web.It is all so tastefully and respectfully done.You must really care about the children,their memory and the ultimate resolution of these cases,God Bless You For All The Caring and Hard Work,that you have contributed for the past twenty years.Jane Cooper NOTE-Thank you so much for taking the time to write,I need to tell you that all the thanks goes to a husband and wife Graphic Artist Team,who has donated their time and effort for all these years,I will pass your thanks on to them.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 17, 2011 1:28:51 GMT -5
Helen,I think you spending time in prison was not that big of a deal. I remember that stuff on AMW. Kdog actually sounded like a fool to me because he avoided any real discussion and instead made a big deal out of that. He may not realize it but it was actually in your favor.
Whatever the truth may be Helen that is what you should stick with. Personally, I always thought that you spending time may be a reason why John was so open to you. He probably felt more comfortable talking to you and opening up. In other words, it makes your claims more believeable than discredit them. Robert
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 17, 2011 20:42:50 GMT -5
Helen,I went over to Topix for my first time,wanting to see for myself what all this posting is about,well some of the people over there sure need our prayers but what kind of a prayer would you say for them,they all sound a little evil.Jan NOTE: Well here is the prayer Rick and I say every night for the Topix gang...May those that love us-love us,and those that don't....may God touch their ankles so that we can tell them by their limping....
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 18, 2011 2:01:43 GMT -5
Helen, this was around the time of Ted Bundy and all of his mess. The line at the top was taken from your account of what you and John shared while meeting together. It's also almost the same as what happened to Ted Bundy and a girl he was seeing early on in his life. Ted was said to have gotten in touch with her later on in his life only to woo her and adore her once again, but once she was smitten with him and actually wanted to marry him, seeing how he turned around his life and wasn't the loser she saw him to be, then Ted dumped her. It was his plan of revenge he had always hoped to do to her. My point, if you will, was there a chance John or someone was keeping up with Ted's case and news? Maybe reading a book/s about Xxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 18, 2011 2:03:32 GMT -5
Helen,Cathy is a really good writer.SS {Note: Yes,she is.}
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 18, 2011 17:03:54 GMT -5
To argue with one that does not see, is like banging a rock with a blade of grass. To win changes nothing, for understanding is the only method of true change... Tenyears
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 18, 2011 21:05:12 GMT -5
Dear Helen.I give you my condolences on your health issues.I am certain I will have them too.If I ever grow up. This is the letter I wrote on my theories and hopefully I addressed the basis of them but for every answer(if I have any) there are more questions because of. All of my theories are based what amounts to a matter of minutes I spent with this person, information coming most likely from your website,and the books I have read on the subject.Please forgive me for not sharing his name with you but it has become an unshakable belief that it belongs in the hands of a cop first and foremost.What I give to you you are free to share with whoever you please and I don't have any problem with anyone contacting me on the subject but I would be grateful if it were not published on the internet.Whoever the OCCK is I believe he is an expert on getting his hands on anything he can use to his advantage and I do believe the internet could well be a part of it.The OCCK is solvable. Xxxxx Xxxxxxxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 21, 2011 11:10:26 GMT -5
Helen,It is my understaing that Law Enforcement (not sure whether it was MSP, OCCK Task Force, Livonia PD) recently went to Atlanta to give John Xxxxxxx (my prime suspect) another lie detector test. Have you heard any feedback on how he did? Have you heard anything new on Xxxxxxxxxx, Busch or the OCCK case in general? Although possible, I just cannot fathom a person committing suicide by shooting themsleves between the eyes with a shotgun. Usually, a person who shoots themselves does it in the forehead, side of the head, or mouth. Funny how a drawing of Mark Stebbins screaming ended up next to Busch in his room at the scene. Also its very coincidental that: 1) Xxxxxxxxxx lived less than a 5 minute walk from Busch's home. 2) Was at the scene of a 14 year old kid, Anthony Mitchell (like Busch, another son of a GM exec) falling off the Maple-Lahser water tower down the street from the Xxxxxxx home in Sept (?) 1966. Mitchell was a friend of John's younger brother, Xxxx. Both brothers ran home after the incident. Xxxxx went to the funeral that week, John did not attend. Could Anthony have possibly been pushed off the tower? This is impossible to ever prove but John and Xxxxxx were supposedly at the scene. . 3) That John Xxxxxxxxxx knows of so many details regarding the drowning death of mentally challenged 12 year old boy, Bobby Grinnan in 1963 (just north of Knollwood Country Club- 2 miles from the Xxxxxxxxxx home). Details such as boots being on the wrong feet (never mentioned in the press). 4) John frequented and may have worked for a short time at an art studio owned by John McKinney on Adams Road. In the fall of 1977, McKinney was shot to death after hours at the studio. May he have been dating the recently separated Mrs. Xxxxxxxxx at the time angering someone in the Xxxxxxxxx family? (John?, his violent dad? His brother, Xxx?). Two full glasses of wine were found at the scene of the crime. McKinney was seen earlier that evening at a Big Boy in Troy with a woman who closely resembeld Mrs. Xxxxxxxxxxx Enough of my rambling. Sorry for the long e-mail. I don't want this case to lose any of the steam you gave it a couple of months ago. I want these horrific crimes solved, justice for the community and closure for the families. Time is of the essance because people involved with this case (suspects, witnesses, family members, and LE) are getting older. Please keep up the great work and feel free to contact me should you have any questions or need any clarification. Thanks! Xxxxx Xxxxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 21, 2011 11:43:32 GMT -5
Helen,Did you ever check this post out? I'm the one who told you,that Johns Dad had a scar,on his hand."Another possibility, mentioned in a cold case posting long ago, was that Jill had bitten the killer and he had to make sure there was no possibility that her teeth marks could be traced. Was the killer nursing an injured (bitten) hand the last week or so of December, 1976? XXX
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 21, 2011 11:47:41 GMT -5
Helen, I thought Tim's sister said in this post,that there was no Dna."Why get off their asses when there is no DNA to prove anything? The best they can hope to come up with is a "maybe" or a "probably" or a "most likely." They are waiting for someone to come forward who can't stand the guilt anymore, after all these years--someone who knows something and never came forward. Something to drop in their laps. Even then, what can the cops actually prove in the absence of adequately preserved forensic evidence? Photos would be a plus, of course, but barring that, forget it! The MSP are just babysitting THE BABYSITTER'S case. Sam
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 21, 2011 13:10:18 GMT -5
Well Wxxxxxx, You asked for my opinion....Here it is....You made a big mistake sending those papers to ATT. David A. Binkley-I would doubt if he ever read them,20 pages with out his name in them?I don't think so.-He knows less about the Oakland County Child Murders,then anyone I know.I had sent him a really good tip from a reader when HE thought the Child Killer was Ted....The Tip came in about a diary that this person, {a Psychiatrist} had written about the death of Mark Stebbens and how he himself had urges to kill other boys younger than 15...it was a really good tip,because the guy lived very close to Tim's drop off...so what does he do?-{Binkley} sends me a nasty email....
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 21, 2011 13:16:08 GMT -5
The last I heard Ken was that the MSP & Prosecutor cases had been consolidated,like I said I just heard it,I wasn't interested enough to ask any questions...However you can go to the Oakland County Court Explorer-Type in Barry King and they mite have something there.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 21, 2011 13:53:22 GMT -5
Helen,I had to laugh when I saw you use "mite" again,after reading Terri's post about it.I went on the Internet and looked at her old posts and sure enough,she had correct you on that in 2004 and 2007 in the very same words.Talk about recycling,I think she has Kdogg and PIG HEAD's record beat. Ha Ha ,I do not know how you have put up with this for 20yrs.Lynn
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