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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 15, 2011 18:21:04 GMT -5
Hello Helen.It's good to know you are still kicking.I got the impression after the last e-mail that you may have been near death. I have learned not to wish someone a long life as much as a life well lived.For you I hope that when you do kick the bucket that you piss off your mortician because he cannot remove the smile from your face.
Meanwhile back at the ranch. I'am not really a big Facebook guy but when I saw your name when I was checking it out I just had to click it.I have a friend whose daughter I gave a computer to recently and she is bugging me to get on it.I am still a knuckle scraper in this cyber reality but I am slowly evolving.I think your name popped up because I searched Facebook a long time ago for the OCCK.Initially I thought you had restarted your blog there.I also in that time picked a book called "Facebook marketing"to get a greater understanding of this phenomenon. If you do ever decide to start a fan club I would like to be in that line.I had always thought your website would last forever or at least until the OCCK was solved.I had always thought of your website as a living ,breathing memorial to the children and a place to go for those who still needed a place to go to.I have done some stuff and tried to correspond with others but with little success other than the knowledge that I was doing something.Since I first learned that the OCCK had been restarted in 2006 I must admit it has been a roller coaster ride for me but the only problem is I would rather be throwing up on the roller coaster than walking on so called stable ground.I did make a summary on the possible theory of my Dr it is a little long(20 pages).I made this one for a cop and I would like to send you a copy(minus his name)if you would like.I have not been a good salesman of this theory of mine but hopefully I am getting better. Thanks for every thing. Xxxxxxxx Xxxxxxxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 15, 2011 19:41:28 GMT -5
Helen,I guess I forgot about that or didn't know. What happened. Were they allowed to get his DNA? ----- Original Message ----- Barb
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 15, 2011 20:44:36 GMT -5
Helen,why so many different views and stories on Topix, I could see if one or the other had information that was being looked into, but none of them seem to be taken seriously by LE.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 15, 2011 20:53:13 GMT -5
Helen,When did Tim's Mother pass away? Kim- MARION KING
Of Birmingham, died September 24, 2004, age 73. Wife of Barry. Mother of Cathy Broad (Matt), Chris (Pat), Mark and the late Tim. Grandmother of Ben and Sarah Broad. Sister to Gwen Clark and Liz Kerr. Services were held privatley. Memorial Tributes Tim King Fund, 1509 Yorkshire, Birmingham, MI 48009.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 15, 2011 20:56:08 GMT -5
Helen, there are strange things about these cases that just don't make much sense to me. I have a website where I try to locate missing, murdered, abducted people, and as strange as some of those cases are for me, this OCCK one just puts the icing on the cake. I just don't understand how this man still walks around, scott free. Xxxxxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 15, 2011 21:01:16 GMT -5
Helen, What was the OCCK's-Reaction To your Request For his Confession?
When I first saw John after I had mailed him the letter...I didn't know what to expect----but It sure wasn't this---The first thing he said to me....what about the money you will get from the Rewards ?....And you will write a book...What about that money?....I said It will be to Educated your daughter.---All of a sudden,He got absolutely furious with me---and was screaming at me--you better not put my name In a book---I am not going to have people looking at me,thinking I am a monster...I was so startled....I can -not even recall,what If anything happen nexts...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 15, 2011 21:04:38 GMT -5
Helen,I finally went to bed last night, lol. Since nothing else is working, try this. Since you know yahoo. Go to regular www In the search box type in "xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" Make sure you use the quotes and no spaces. The only match that should come up, should be his page, then you get start clicking around. Mary----- Original Message -----
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 15, 2011 21:14:10 GMT -5
Helen Do you have that letter from {Dna Susan Peterson}?I have quite a bit on the {99% Dna},{We can start you out on this one-{ Per Susan}......*I have always been a shy person and my husband could never tell what was on my mind. He had something he wanted to tell me badly but was scared it would be the beginning of the end to our marriage. We started to grow apart and finally he decided that there was nothing to lose. He broke the news to me that he was certain my brother was the OCCK. Strangely, I had secrets too. I husband was surprised that I was not surprised by the revelation. If I had not kept secrets from my hubby, I think this email would have been written years ago. I would love to share all we know, but this is an all or nothing proposition. We prove it was him by DNA and then we go public. We will share whatever we can without stepping over the line. If his name is made public before it has been proven, my husband and my life will be devastated.
Let me share what I can.
My brother died in 1977. He was blond, handsome and athletic. He had a huge funeral. He drove a green four door sedan. He painted it white after a witness spotted him. He borrowed the blue gremlin from the guy that was painting his car. My husband snatched a Polaroid from him, then gave it back. My husband was stunned by what he saw but did not realize at the time just how horrible it really was. We know where he took his victims and why he was able to hold them so long. We had mutual friends that visited him where we "know" he took his victims. He would not let his friends inside. I am talking about very close friends.They all knew he was hiding something but just fluffed it off.
As far as the book "Wolfe in a Sheeps Clothing" of course the writer had to fill in a lot of gaps to fill up a book. I do not think he was partial or tried to showcase anyone. I was surprised by the accuracy of the established profile of the OCCK. I was also surprised by the accuracy of the psychic, even though I do not believe in phychics. I think they piece together know facts and fill in the gaps with educated guesses. I was really pleased that the writer was able to give me enough info to satisfy that there are enough witnesses that the case can be pieced together. Remember my husband and I read the book as the only two people on earth that know the truth. We were able to sort the correct info from the bad leads. But no information conflicted with what we know. The book is boring except for spurts accurate facts facts.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 15, 2011 21:25:45 GMT -5
Helen,what is the background behind sketch #2 what was this person doing at the time,
that he warranted a sketch being made?{ Answer- You know I will have to look that up in my notes} * Ok in my notes it says-he was standing by the grocery store for a really long time...and interesting enough,the person did not come forward untill several days later when they heard Tim was found with a plastic bag over his head...and the witness said this man was holding a plastic grocery bag...filled with more plastic grocery bags...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 15, 2011 21:37:52 GMT -5
Helen do you have the rest of this 2003 post ?Children disappeared,one by one from their suburban neighborhoods and their bodys discovered days later,..miles away from home-Alan,like Many can recall-His father,owner of a remote piece of property..found themselves..taking long walks on the weekends -poking around for something they didn't want to find......Answer* I'm sure I have it somewhere,however i couldn't bring it up with the info you sent...i will get back with you...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 15, 2011 22:01:38 GMT -5
The truth is Helen that I think you have been one of the reasons that the Oakland County Child Killer investigation has continued this long. You`re to be applauded for that. . By the way thanks for straightening out the post of Feb 13 for Mark Stebbins disappearance and changing it to Feb 15. That makes all Wed and Sundays for the 4 kids disappearances. I have one serious question in the interest of solving this case. This can in no way cause a problem with the police as they already know this. Here`s the question. You write that the police excused John as a suspect because he can prove by his passport that he was out of the country on the date of one of the 4 child killings. In the interest of justice as God is your witness would you please tell us if you know which one of the killings John was absent for and how old John is now. Thanks.{Answer* His alibi said Tim-However that has been debunked for years and years and years-John will be 62 in Oct. You asked how he was doing...Well he has Heart and Kidney problems,I was calling him a couple of times a week...but I gave up after new years this year,because ever since the cops flew down to interview him...he won't talk to me-He answers the phone and listens to me then when I say good-bye,he hangs up...the last time i called which was the first week of the new year,he hung up soon as he knew it was me...I can not play phone tag with anyone..so I called back and he let his service pick up,and I left him a message-{which i can not repeat here}lol...but I left him my cell phone number...he hasn't called me back yet...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 15, 2011 22:02:46 GMT -5
Thats It for tonight...as I am beat!...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 16, 2011 7:59:52 GMT -5
Helen,What ever happen to the Free Press Occk Forum? Mark/Answer/*The Free Press forum belongs to the Free Press. The thread on the OCCK was there long before Ms. Dagner started posting there. The thread was closed upon the complaints to the administrator, the Managing Editor and their legal department concerning foul language, inaccurate and untrue personal information by poster Terri Keeler Tomajko,which caused the loss of the thread theme. At no time was Ms. Dagner asked to leave nor was it shut down due to her posts. Administrator Xxxxx Xxxxx Xxxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 16, 2011 8:30:21 GMT -5
Helen When they flew down to Interview John a bit ago,what did he say? I was told The interview was 2 hours, and became heated at times. * -No Passport this time-He showed up for the interview with some encyclopedia of serial killers, allegedly to demonstrate that he is simply fascinated by these types of crimes and to bolster his premise that he was only discussing this crime with me because of interest, not involvement. (What a piece of work.) He said I "made up" the map drawing and that he never said what AW overheard that December day in the Big Boy. Let me point out that AW had absolutely no reason to lie, and there are other witnesses who observed the map drawing, etc. It was at this point that John ran out of answers and started doing that weird trance thing- While at other points John never denied saying anything, just said I was making things up, and during the map discussion. He said the witnesses were wrong because he never said that stuff or wrote the maps. John said he does not keep in contact with his family--hasn't talked to Xxx in ages; rarely talks with Xxxx . When asked why John didn't end up in Florida like some of the rest of his family, he had no response. John is completely strange and bizarre and often did not make eye contact. John said he never knew any Xxxx Xxxxx; didn't have a friend who committed suicide or know anyone at that time who killed himself. That I was smart enough to do the research on Xxxxx date of death and that the fact that it was on the same day as my husband's suicide was just a coincidence. This is a pretty d**n big coincidence, as is John's proximity to the Dirtbags.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 16, 2011 10:52:34 GMT -5
Helen,You got to go over and look at Topix, Ha Ha Ha,It seems that Terri does not like arguing with the new guy {that has known her for years} I guess that is because she can't remember her lies and she always resorts to attacking you, {which he make a point of.} I think what bothers her the most is, she does not know who he is and therefore does not have any idea on how to attack him,but he sure got her number and her husband and son's. Marg
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