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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 5, 2011 19:26:16 GMT -5
Aerial view of John House to Chris Busch house  |
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 7, 2011 10:26:27 GMT -5
Ocala Star Banner December 27, 1978  |
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 7, 2011 19:28:20 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 8, 2011 9:51:00 GMT -5
Hit On Hair Found On Kristine?
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 09:57:28 PM by Helen Dagner
Hi Helen, It turns out your instincts are right on--there is plenty going on and you are not going to like it. I am merely repeating what I have been told (of course with my editorial comments).
I spent quite some time on the phone today. Here's what I have via my Dad and Cory. One thing I verified with a retired cop. This is all in my words, so keep in mind there is my spin to the thing. But that's the only way I can tell it. Get ready; it is a mindblower and HAS to stay down low for now. You can forward this to Judi and AW for their input, and I'm assuming you will run this by your daughter and Rick. Their feedback might be helpful-- I will leave it to your discretion whether or not to forward to Judi and/or AW.
John has not been polygraphed yet, but that is still in the works. Right. For reasons that will become obvious in a few sentences, they HAVE TO GET TO JOHN ASAP, or you are right--the window will close forever (except if some investigative journalist pushes it and makes it public). More on that in a bit.
They have PLENTY on Busch and are waiting for lab results on fibers (state lab is comparing fibers from kids' clothing to fibers obtained when they vacuumed out the ductwork at Busch's parents' house. Also waiting for lab results from the FBI--supposedly any day now--comparing dog hairs found on some of the kids with dog hair found in the duct work. They in fact reran that hair found on Kristine some time ago and they got a hit with a convict (not in the can for molestation but some robbery stuff). This guy was 14 or 15 at the time of these crimes and lived in Flint next door to one of Busch's brother's house. This kid was friends with the two Busch kids (that Chris Busch was the uncle of). This convict hung out with Busch and was a molestation victim. He admitted to being a victim of Chris Busch and going from Flint to Bloomfield Village to stay at Busch's parent's house. Is having memory problems about how his hair wound up on Kristine's stomach. Wanted to say that the hair must have been in Busch's car and transferred to Kristine when her body was placed in the car. May have actually been forced by Busch to help with dumping Kristine's body to keep him quiet. He puts her over his shoulder to carry her and that's how his hair winds up on her stomach area.
Circumstantial evidence includes (I know I don't have all of it): At Busch's suicide scene they found a drawing of a young boy screaming. At the time it was believed (and since verified as they have the drawing) that it resembled Mark Stebbins. Busch had laid out some bloody ligatures on the floor in that room. Those ligatures were sent to the FBI and never seen or heard about again. Busch had been polygraphed by the MSP in Flint after Kristine's murder. He "passed." Experts have since reviewed the polygraph chart (without knowing the case) and opined that he absolutely should have failed. I think what happened is that the Bloomfield Township PD shows up at the suicide scene, contacts the task force when they see that weird nuts in his room, the task force looks at Busch's file and says OH f**k! we gave that guy a pass and he went out and killed another kid. Cory spoke to the retired detective who was investigating Busch. He said for sure they thought they had the guy and were floored when he passed. Subsequent investigation was not done because he had been cleared by the MSP. A convict in the Michigan prison system tried to contact the Flint detective again a few years after Tim's murder saying he had information on Busch and his involvement in the OCCK crimes. He could not get approval to go interview the guy b/c--you guessed it--he had been cleared by the MSP.
Chris Busch was tying boys up in the neighborhood and having sex with them. He somehow managed to stay below the radar. In some cases, Busch's mother allegedly paid-off victims to avoid having them file charges or pursue prosecution. He had some pending child molest stuff in the court system after Tim's murder. These charges were not all in Oakland County. He retained an attorney (more like Daddy Warbucks did), who arranged to have him take a private polygraph. Because of some strange stuff Busch said in the pre-polygraph interview (including that he had been polygraphed in the OCCK case and passed it), the polygrapher wisely decided not to polygraph Busch. During this pre-polygraph interview, however, Busch allegedly admitted to participating in the OCCK killings. This was of course protected by attorney-client privilege b/c the polygrapher had been hired by Busch's attorney.
Busch would molest boys in his parents' home--they were often in Europe for weeks at a time on GM business.
Chris Busch was a big, big-time child molester and liked boys. He had help--I don't know what this means; whether someone was a lure (teenage boy) or some other adult. Here's my take on it and why I told Cory they still absolutely have to polygraph John. It appears Busch was almost certainly involved in these crimes. If John is involved, it has to be with Busch. I again reiterated that John and Busch lived basically around the corner from each other, both were around the same age--mid-20's, both were outcast/losers with dead-end jobs, living in their parents' homes. Cory admitted it was quite the coincidence. I was assured he will be polygraphed.
Here's my fear--they are waiting on the lab results (fiber and dog hair) and if they get that they might say "f**k it, no need to pursue with John." I also pointed out that Xxxx Xxxxxxxx was a likely victim of Chris Busch as he was in the same age-range as that convict I described above at the time of the crimes.
My Dad said he heard second-hand that something will be made public by the end of the month. He just said it was "double hearsay," but wanted to warn me of the possibility.
I'm sorry to do this, but more later. I will reread this and try to figure out what I missed in the first telling.Cathy
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 11, 2011 19:52:35 GMT -5
Before I go craze will someone look this up?
Posted on March 11, 2011 at 07:47:12 PM by Helen Dagner
Lake Esau - Presque Isle County Michigan -to 10640 Washington ave Osseneke,Michigan....Email me at Bingotank@aol.com....I just can not seem to get the milage on this....Helen
Here In Lies The Problem...Area: 275 acres -I want the closest to each other...and I'm not sure how to figure that out...HELP PLEASE
-Note-Okay, looks like the mileage is going to change depending on which side of
the lake, but I'm getting 31.9 mi – about 57 mins depending on the
route....there longest comes in at 1 hour and 19 minutes.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 17, 2011 20:46:36 GMT -5
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