Maps by John~

[Helen Dagner]

[Casual Observer]

I believe the 2 smaller dots in map 4 to the right of the water tower (where Tony Mitchell's name appears) represent the 2 home that John's family owned.

[Helen Dagner]

Casual Observe-your right!!!

[Helen Dagner]

Helen,
All I can say is WOW. However, why are Sheila and Cynthia's names on the maps? Do you think he killed them, too? Its odd how he has the police departments in the drawings.
Ray

[Helen Dagner]

No Ray those cases were solved and the Info is on this site-

[Helen Dagner]

Wow!Helen, you can deliver what you promise,you have documented every thing you have said over the past twenty years,I would like to add,you sure have made fools and liars out of the old yahoo group and your sure kicking the Topix gangs A$$,you rock! Robert

[Helen Dagner]

Helen,I just saw this on your site from Johns Interview with the Cops,He said I "made up" the map drawing and that he never said what AW overheard that December day in the Big Boy. Let me point out that AW had absolutely no reason to lie, and there are other witnesses who observed the map drawing, etc. It was at this point that John ran out of answers and started doing that weird trance thing- While at other points John never denied saying anything, just said I was making things up, and during the map discussion. He said the witnesses were wrong because he never said that stuff or wrote the maps."John You Are So Busted"!!! Dave

[Helen Dagner]

Helen,
I know the two cases were solve but why would did he draw their locations on the map? Interestingly, he has Dr. Danto's name at the top of #4. Why? To me, he must have some sort of association with him and possibly explains why he dropped Kristine off on Bruce LN. This is great stuff. Will you be posting the other place mats,as well?
Ray

[Helen Dagner]

Wow - well, that's why BRUCE Lane for Kristine's drop-off. He must not have liked Danto. Gill Rd must have some significance to Tim's drop-off (Gil Fowler, the policeman who found Tony Mitchell?).

And Hastings was/is NOT a suspect in some LE's eyes? Give me a freakin' break! I could scream!!! Matt

[Helen Dagner]

Helen,
When you next speak with Don Staudt, please ask him if he knew an Officer Gil Fowler? I'd like to know if Gil is still alive and if he recalls ever questioning John about Tony's fall. Perhaps John's may have felt harassed by him??? My bet is that an officer wouldn't NEVER forget such a tragedy - finding the body of a young kid. Now, Tony's death was almost 10 years prior to OCCK but it would be interesting to see any info., police notes, etc. on this death. I'm just trying to figure out Gill Rd in Livonia. Maybe there was another Gill involved. Did Danto have any assistants by that name or anyone else in John's life by the name of Gil? Just thinking out loud. Pat

[Helen Dagner]

[Casual Obserer]

One thing I find very interesting about these maps is the location of Tim's abduction. It is such a small, small detail but the building shape is exactly the shape of the building that housed the grocery store, Hunter Maple Pharmacy, Monahan's, Office Supply and Englander Triangle furniture store.

[Helen Dagner]

Soooo Many of you emailing asking if I will be posting more Maps-drawings-ect.-Yes-But you know that I am working on the" BIG Project"...so when ever I get a few Min. I will try to get something up--

[Helen Dagner]

She also knows that John has 2 boxes that he keeps sealed and will not discuss the contents of those-( NOT true) He also has a book called "A Guide to Nude Beaches" where pages of children are marked (this is not true) I said John collected Sears Fliers of children in their underwear and he had the pages with boys on- with a fold over at the top edge of each page-Narrative Report Don Studt Birmingham Police Mi

[Helen Dagner]

More from the girl friend-She thinks he might have smoked marijuana,but not on too many occasions.She couldn't really recal those times.She said she did meet Johns mother a couple of times when they were going out-She also had the impression that the father might have been dead. She couldn't recall meeting him.She thinks there might have been a sister xxx who lived in the house.She said that in his room John had a strange painting of some faces in a large building. She said she did not have the impression that he was terribly smart,but she thought he was kind of a" smart ass". She said they had a mutual breakup.They just did not want to be with each other anymore. She said she can't recall his ever speaking of a trip to Europe.- BLK 01610-Cdr.D Studt