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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 28, 2011 9:57:53 GMT -5
Did John Pass this last polygraph> Mike-I do not think so-He showed deception on the second question-so the final was that it was inconclusive . There were three separate test given-Mark-Jill-and Kris---he showed deception-on the same question on all three test-and it was one of the relevant questions.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 28, 2011 18:39:51 GMT -5
In Johns Interview with Studt in Alpena-one of the things--and there are many that John lied about in answering Studts questions-was-Studt asked how did it come about that you drew maps for Helen-John said well it was her idea-she would sit there with the Wolf In Sheep's Clothing book-saying could you draw maps of these places -and she would keep reading them -she took the book every where -she was always reading it--Your busted John-I never read that book until Cathy bought it for me in 2006-The book you had I picked up from the Library on the very same day that Studt was coming up-I flip thru it on the way up the stairs to your apartment from the library-and it looked really boring-so I said you could read it first-and you sure did-because you didn't even show up for coffee that night-and the cops and I drove by and lights on and John still reading the book-what you didn't know was they already had the maps- Once I gave you the book to read I never saw it again-I just hope you returned it to the Library-since I check it out in my name--as I know you never took Jill's back....
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 29, 2011 14:03:55 GMT -5
Dear Don Studt;
I have no idea if you read here but considering the content that is presented here I have my doubts.
But just in case you do I would like to state that I was purely honest and sincere the day I came to talk to you with my wife.
I can tell you that there was NO books on Helen & John's table during the hour I was there. If there was I would have surely remembered it.
If there was a Wolf In Sheep's Clothing book on that table it was not during the time that I was present.
Considering that I still keep contact with a couple Big Boy employees that worked there in the early 90s, I can assure you that NO ONE from the police staff ever interviewed any employees at the restaurant. So whatever investigation was made it was never much and any claims of a book used to make the maps can not be backed up by any witnesses.
After all these years I sure wish the truth of this whole matter can be revealed.
Search the Truth,
Alpena Witness
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 30, 2011 12:03:55 GMT -5
In the FOIA docs is reference to an Aerosmith song with the phrase 'Children of the Season'. There is no Aerosmith song with this title however the phrase is used in the song 'Nobody's Fault' from 1976. In reference to Aerosmith anyway, the song is about earthquakes. Here are the lyrics: Lord i must be dreaming What else could this be Everybody's screaming Running' for the sea Holy lands are sinking Birds take to the sky The prophets are all stinking drunk I know the reason why Eyes are full of desire Mind is so ill at ease Everything is on fire nuts piled up to the knees Out of rhyme or reason Everyone's to blame Children of the season Don't be lame Sorry, you're so sorry Don't be sorry Man has known it Now he's blown it Up-side down and hell's the only way We did an awful job And now they say it's nobody's fault Old st. andres Seven years ago Shove it up their richters Red light stop and go Noble men of courage Listen with their ears Spoke but how discouraging When no one really hears One of these day's you'll be sorry Too many houses on stilt Three milion years or just a story Four on the floor up to the hilt (chorus) Out of rhyme or reason Everyone's to blame Children of the season Don't be lame Sorry, you're so sorry Don't be sorry Man has known it Now he's blown it Up-side down and hell's the only way We did an awful job And now we're just a little too late Eyes are full of desire Mind is so ill at ease Everything is on fire nuts piled up in debris California showtime Five o'clock's the news Everybody's concubine Was prone to take a snooze Sorry, you're so sorry Don't be sorry Man has known it Now he's blown it Up-side down and hell's the only way We did an awful job And now we're just a little too late////Note this has to do with a party John took the girlfriend to during the time of the child killings-and because of this song-she thought he was the child killer and reported him to the task force-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jul 30, 2011 13:40:22 GMT -5
Helen this is really freaky!!!! Did you ever notice that in John's maps he writes the number 4 with no pony tail. Most people put a pony tail on the right (horizontal line extending over the vertical line). If you go back to the drawing of Mark from Busches murder the 4 is done the same way as the maps if that is a 4 below his nose. WEIRD! Sgt.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 3, 2011 13:13:47 GMT -5
This is from a legal letter of Johns -it appears in BLX01642-Report-you remember my saying that the adult boys of the mother of his child-would break in while John and I were at Big Boy and grab a load of stuff to re sell-well among that list was *Polaroid Family pictures- ( This included the Photo I saw of Tim)* John states -at least 115 books,retail value $2500+Pawned at Artist Bookstore,downtown Alpena.-This included Jills Books
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 4, 2011 0:11:46 GMT -5
To answer all your emails on do I think John did know Busch? Well John sure knew a lot more people than I thought he did-and he went to a party-where lots of people were that did know Busch-so for now I will have to say-it is more likely that he did know him- than it is that he didn't-but before you jump to any conclusions-you will need to read the rest of my story...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 6, 2011 22:32:32 GMT -5
There are also Identical polygraph results for Mark and Jill-we have those documents-however at this time we are just posting Kris"--He showed deception on the second question- There were three separate test given-Mark-Jill-and Kris---he showed deception-on the same question on all three test-and it was one of the relevant questions.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 10, 2011 23:19:12 GMT -5
BLK-01583-Studt Interview with Helen-Helen,said John doesn't frequent bars,and she said that when he's not with her, he is working on his book,which is about impending economic collapse based on the devaluation of the dollar and socialist theory. She said that John is a committed Socialist and one of the motives she believes John attributes to these killings is that the killer was trying to make a political statement,lashing out at capitalist society.(Drum Roll Please-Studt got through that thought with out adding any of his creative writings WOW!)-I guess there was no way he could F--k that up!
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 13, 2011 22:34:37 GMT -5
Part 4
Tim King disappearance & murder, Barry King, LE Brooks Patterson, LE Chief Tobin, LE Robert Turner, Tim's baseball, Helen's documented information about John's situation around the dates of Tim's murder, speculation of the killer's personality, mail carriers asked to look for anything suspicious, Tim last seen standing NEAR blue Gremlin with suspect, and Tim's funeral.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 16, 2011 20:11:37 GMT -5
Helen,who's body does the stick figure represent on John's map on the front page of the site,at the top of the half circle, laying a cross the road with the big black head? Scott--Note-I'm embarrass to say this-but I no longer remember-I have a body list some where-but can not seem to locate it-I think it is of another child-not Bobby Grimes-Maybe Judi can tell us.
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Post by Casual Observer on Aug 17, 2011 7:50:43 GMT -5
Helen,who's body does the stick figure represent on John's map on the front page of the site,at the top of the half circle, laying a cross the road with the big black head? Scott--Note-I'm embarrass to say this-but I no longer remember-I have a body list some where-but can not seem to locate it-I think it is of another child-not Bobby Grimes-Maybe Judi can tell us. Look carefully. It is not a stock figure, it is a black dot with an arrow attached. The black dot represents where Tim King lived.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 17, 2011 11:10:44 GMT -5
Omg-That would represent -where he saw the door pr-opt open-That was very important to John-so a cores he would include that in his drawing-Thanks !!!~
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Post by MustangMan on Aug 17, 2011 11:27:59 GMT -5
Why on map#2 does John point to both sides of the highway where Jill's body was?
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 17, 2011 12:08:42 GMT -5
MustangMan-I thought it was because the one side is where John worked-and he could see the area where Jill was killed from there-
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