Post by Helen Dagner on Nov 27, 2012 6:30:47 GMT -5
I really do not have time to comment on your Feedback about Topix Forums,at this time,however I will get all your posts up in the next Feedback posting-I am trying to make my way through a lot of files I have received about the Oakland County Child Killings and I only have a few more days before they have to be returned- I consider this to be much more important then anything going on at TOPIX~Front Page Header~ Topix Forums Are Like A Public Toilet,You Know In Advance It's Going To Stink and Everything Will Be Really Dirty
Post by Helen Dagner on Nov 27, 2012 15:43:57 GMT -5
To Les from Ursula 1 of 6 Roseville, MI
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Les:“Am I a bullnutster?“(Post #13585)
The one thing that’s never failed me in life about people is watching what people DO in conjunction with what people SAY. For example, if a person says they love you, yet they beat you black and blue; if a person says they're an Honest Abe, yet they cheat on their taxes; if a person says they'd never abuse an animal, yet they f*ck the family dog....if their words and actions don't line up, they are full of sh*t.
Les:“Am I looking for attention? Of course I am. My motive is the only thing up for debate.”(Post #13585)
You've had 35+ years to come forward with what you knew but chose not to because of your children. Currently you’re claiming as you have for some time now that you know the identity of the OCCK and have come forward to – finally – provide answers to the victims' families.
BUT (and here’s the rub), there's this little itty bitty problem in that LE won’t play nice in the sandbox and provide absolute immunity, thus preventing poor old Les from coming forward completely. To Les from Ursula 2 of 6 Roseville, MI
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Les:“In all respect to Kevin and Gray I have not come clean.”(Post #13595) Les:“I am in a gray area of knowing my legal rights.”(#13595)
So what have you done throughout all the years you knew that you at the very least obstructed justice in a concerted effort to cover up Punky’s crimes—all the while you were going about your life, raising your children, living the high life? Do you mean that you NEVER consulted a lawyer about your “legal gray area” so that when the time finally arrived you could pay the piper? You say you always knew you would come forward someday (after you were done raising your children) and now that the time has come, you still haven’t consulted a lawyer? If you cared one whit about those families (and you don’t), you’d get yourself a lawyer to protect your legal rights and move forward; or you’d come completely clean and use a court-appointed attorney to defend you should charges be brought. Your actions belie your words and I call bullnuts. To Les from Ursula 3 of 6 Roseville, MI
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So what do you do when you’re too cowardly to do what you say you’ve tried to do but couldn’t due to outside forces? You play games…you take out the bag magic tricks and you cast illusions. Take this one for instance:
Les:“ I guess it made him feel better to know that I at least passed one honesty tests.”(Post #13595)
You create your own honesty tests that you can pass with flying colors. Gosh, I wish I had known about this one in high school – I’d have had my teachers pose questions for English so I could pass my math tests, duh! One of your typical magic carpet bag tests: To Les from Ursula 4 of 6 Roseville, MI
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Les:(Post #13585) 1-Ask Kathy Coomer the mother of the killer of Dr. Deborah Iverson. 1-Ask Dave Tranchida, the brother of the killer of Tina Biggars 1-Ask Linda Mathis Knight, the wife and killer of radio DJ Tom Knight 1-Ask Scott Merritt, my brother in law and the best friend of Gary Pervinkler, The Redford Babysitter Killer 1-Ask Jeff Seltz, my best friend in high school and the ex husband of Eileen Seltz 1-Eileen was the baby momma of two daughters for JR DuVall one of the killers of the Missing Michigan Deer Hunters. Eileen was murdered near JR’s home and JR’s buddy tried to help cover up the murder by making it look like she was ran over by a truck. 1-I am currently engaged to one of those two girls born to Eileen and JR 1-Ask Freddie Ament the guy that painted Punky’s car 1-Ask Amp Shultz and Punky’s other three buddies who tried to get in the cabin during the time frame that Jane Allen was missing 1-Ask Kdogg bless his soul for following up my claims and getting Kathy Coomer come clean that my claims to know her were true 1-Ask Jessica Hahn, ask Debbie Favre, Brett Favre’s cousin, ask Judge Greg Mathis whom invited me to his table at Como’s Restaurant. Ask Bill Lambeer bless his ornery soul that him and I have went all in against each other dozens of times 1-Ask Dawn Scott who is sleeping in my bed as I type 1-There are many others that asked me to never post their names 1-But last but not least, you can ask the task force. They won’t answer but they know every word that I have posted is true To Les from Ursula 5 of 6 Roseville, MI
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Wow. Out of your 13 ‘references,’ only 3 directly relate to your claims regarding the OCCK….a whopping 23%! How’s that for statistics? Are you that much greater than the rest of us that you think most people would find this convincing—that we’re all like two year olds that you can easily distract? What an example of a bloated ego/God complex.
Should I go back and find your quotes where you assert you’d pass a lie detector if law enforcement would let you write the questions? Another wow. In other words, you’re willing to come forward if it means that you get to step in like superman to save the day, while the two year olds are all distracted from the fact that “the day” could have come decades ago. Nope, you’re not going to own that, so being the typical coward, you say “no deal, LE – when you learn to play by my rules, the cases will be solved!” What another load of bloated ego/God complex, right? But of course you are so much savvier than those poor not a very nice persons sitting in cells who couldn’t figure out a way to game the prosecutor’s office. And of course something as mundane as a lawyer would not be up to your standards—how would you find a lawyer as smart as you are? To Les from Ursula 6 of 6 Roseville, MI
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Now to get back to one of your questions, the only question that matters, really:
Les:“Am I looking for attention? Of course I am. My motive is the only thing up for debate.”(Post #13585)
Your motive is either to have fun at the expense of the families by reveling in your clever ingenuity and to feed of off the energy people bring to this case because you are corrupt, depleted and hollow inside; and/or
Your motive is to maybe throw a bone to the families and get a few things off your chest at the same time, BUT only if you can get something for yourself; and/or
Your motive is to get someone to pay attention to what a coward you are so that law enforcement will finally pull your ass in and make you come clean.
What you can’t do is blame law enforcement, Helen or anyone else for people not taking you seriously. What you can’t do is pretend that you’re only trying to do right by the families and it is only LE and other people are holding you back from doing it.
Post by Helen Dagner on Nov 28, 2012 23:35:11 GMT -5
I have no idea where to even start about Les-He is a long time buddy Of Kdoggs-which should explain a lot right there-The Oakland County Child Killer Site at Topix was set up many years ago as a way of keeping the memory of the four Oakland County Child Victims out in the public- after I got all the sites shut down,where these two jokers and there followers were posting-Les who doesn't have a site of his own-started Peeing all over Topix with his trash-now what kind of human being would hijack a site set up for the children and turn it into a Porn Site-that is all about him self? Les would and he did,with no remorse-He is a Pig-and he was taught very well by Kdogg-and when a family member posted that Les was a Douche Bag-It went right over Les' head-he thought they were talking about someone else-because after all he Omniscient-In his own eyes-Then he starts his story about his Brother-In -Law being the Occk-and he has know this for 35 years-but then on Occasions he posts that he is the Occk-But then Les is never to accurate with his so called facts-He was a year off on the death of his Brother-In-Law's death-and never even had his Birth Date right-and his proof of anything is none existent-However he continues to post-insisting he knows positively for sure who the OCCK is-and he tells huge detailed Woppers about how he is working with the Police -and they know everything he has told them-is true-but the Cops are holding back his information-Ya right! To be continued
Post by Helen Dagner on Nov 28, 2012 23:50:35 GMT -5
If you go over to the Topix site I have listed you mite want to start at the last page and work backwards-as it gets pretty boring-quickly- Keep in mind that Les is Obsessed with me and has been for 9 years-he would travel several hundred miles just to sniff my dirty laundry...If I would let him~ You can send in email posts on this subject if you like Bingotank@aol.com
Post by Helen Dagner on Nov 29, 2012 11:05:46 GMT -5
Les Posted 8 hours ago at Topix-Lol-He just won't give up-Today is a day he is claiming to be the Occk- *As I was going through my career and coworkers would want to discuss the OCCK when something hit the news and I would sit there thinking "if they only knew who they are talking to".
I arrived late to a Piston's playoff game. They were playing the Bucks. I got out of my car and L. Brooks Patterson was getting out of his car parked next to mine. We chatted for several minutes and walked together to the entrance. I thought "if he only knew who he is talking to". Do you remember me Mr. Patterson?
Everytime I would speak with a police officer, I would think "if they only knew who they got here".
When I spoke with Barry King and I thought "if he only knew what I know".
I often think if the families could look past all the nasty things posted they can see the truth. ( Note-Keep in mind that Les is the one who posts those nasty things)
Post by Helen Dagner on Nov 29, 2012 12:55:15 GMT -5
Posted four Hrs ago by Les on Topix-*Ursula insinuated that I have some kind of edge over the other smucks. It made me think of this old post. According to this by process of elimination, and based on "no dead suspects" I am pretty high on the suspect list. Looks like a sore thumb to me. The first 12 refers to the task force's claim that they were down to 12 suspects.
Carl lived near Norberg for a while. Thereâ€™s another suspect â€“ from the first 12 â€“ who lived there in Warren by those two â€“ Les Martin. Heâ€™s alive and well. Carl is in jail, I think. Norberg, Hojnacki, Busch, Greene, Moore, Johnston, Pierce, all deadâ€¦. THE REAL STORY IS~UPDATE: February 3rd, 2003. Oakland County Child Killer channel 7 story New Developments in Oakland Co. Child Killer Case
Reported by Heather Catallo According to this..Action News has learned police have narrowed the list of suspects to 12 people. BUT...accordong to the Daily Tribune on February 5th.....State Police Detective Lt. Ive Edwards and other investigators DENIED reports that they have roughly a dozen suspects that they expect to narrow down to ONE in the coming months. Oakland County child killings get another look "There is a new public push to gather and analyze tips and evidence," said Oakland County Sheriff's Lt. Mark Newman. "We still haven't forgot about the victims and everyone wants these cases solved." (Could it be the web-site and the e-mails we have been sending out over the past 2 years??) State police ask tipsters to call them at 517-380-1060; or call the Oakland County Sheriff's Department, 248-858-4960. -Then In 2004 Kevin Rundel-(KDOGG) Picked this story up off of Todds site-and did his usual twisting of the facts-and told Les his name was on the list of 12 Suspects-Lol-Which wasn't true-because Heather got her Info all screwed up,she was new to the Occk reporting at the time
Post by Helen Dagner on Nov 29, 2012 13:13:30 GMT -5
Todd updated his Web Site-*UPDATE: February 15, 2003 Seems to be some controversy over there being 12 suspects or not. But if so...who are these 12 suspects.......are they being watched....for 25 years?? What if they are your neighbor....wouldn't you like to know?? I know it is impossible for police to reveal this type of info...but people should keep this in mind. INDEED there IS an extremely dangerous person out there. I don't want to find out who they are the hard way! The killer is someone's neighbor! What about all the police that were involved in this from the beggining or picked it up over the years...how much info were they given?? Helen's suspect...I've been told has been ruled out 4 times! How can we be sure the last time he was ruled out is any more definitive than the 1st three times?? Read my letter to the Senate on page 2. Does anyone question this info? * Note From Helen~Not long after this-I received a letter from the then Task Force-Telling me the Newspaper article were WRONG-How ever I never posted the letter on line-because I didn't want to embarrass Heather-So you see Kdogg had NO way of knowing this-So he thought he would just Hype things up for Les and the Now Defunct OLD YAHOO GROUP-by posting more of his lies-lol-Not one of them ever did any real research on their own about this case-they just went on the Internet seeing what they could pick up and twist-It is funny to me-because Les and Kevin are cut from the same piece of cloth-and they never even knew when they had been had by each other-But anyway-the point here is-there was never a 12 suspect name list-and the list that was real-Les' name never appeared on-
Les the Reminiscer wrote: As I was going through my career and coworkers would want to discuss the OCCK when something hit the news and I would sit there thinking "if they only knew who they are talking to". I arrived late to a Piston's playoff game. They were playing the Bucks. I got out of my car and L. Brooks Patterson was getting out of his car parked next to mine. We chatted for several minutes and walked together to the entrance. I thought "if he only knew who he is talking to". Do you remember me Mr. Patterson? Everytime I would speak with a police officer, I would think "if they only knew who they got here". When I spoke with Barry King and I thought "if he only knew what I know". I often think if the families could look past all the nasty things posted they can see the truth.
******Les, you are nobody. That's it. No one. You think it's funny to bring up Mr. King and talking to him ? So, he's hurt over the death of his son and you think it's funny that you stood there and kept your mouth shut ? Well, good thing I guess. You would have added to the pain. When anyone talks to you they are talking to an old, fat guy who lives in a nutsty city, in a trailor, who has no life. Real people read over here from time to time. I don't see your face on the news yet for some invisable crime ? All the dropped hints over here are just bugus. You might be a killer you say ? I think you're deranged in a non-dangerous manner. You harm people with these keys, that's all. And really, who are you harming ? A hand full of people who read here off and on ? You wrote a book. Wowwwwwwwwww....Can't wait to read it ! Will you give Mr. King the first copy ? So he knows ?? It's all bullnuts coming from you ! LE could have the book,but they have to play by your rules ? You're a fake ! What fu-ck-ing rules ? This could have been solved without anyone knowing the name Les Martin ?? It will be solved without anyone knowing that name. And why the posts of all the big name criminals you bang ? Does that add to the length of your d-ic-k ? Well, the illusion of a bigger d-ic-k ? Again Les, you are 100% No one ! Not even a sore thumb...
Post by Helen Dagner on Nov 29, 2012 19:32:28 GMT -5
Every Big Case Has It's Les' and Kdoggs-These type of people are every where ~A Reply from Noreen Gosch and the Trash Talk
Message starred Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:58 PM A Reply from Noreen Gosch and the Trash Talk
Noreen/Lukejâ€¦. I read all the clatter and chatter from last night and I must say people were really wound up. Since much of the comments were about me, I feel I am entitled to respond.
First to Mr. Anonâ€¦ I do hope you have a membership so you can read this. You related a lot of rather catty remarks against me. Everything from MY DECISION to not release certain information on Johnnyâ€™s case to the fact it was becoming â€œold to youâ€. Wellâ€¦. my my IT IS OLD TO ME TOO. 30 years worth of working this case buster and paying for it. Why donâ€™t you put your money where your mouth is ?? I have not noticed you making any contribution to any case, yet you come to this forum as an â€œANONâ€, for God sakeâ€¦ Put your name to your statements or are you afraid? And the next time you criticize the way a case is being handled, maybe you should walk in the shoes of the person handling the case. Oh but wait, first you would have to give up your child ( if you have one) for 30 years to be able to make statements with any amount of validity. You have no clue what goes on in a real kidnapping case when it is â€œHUMAN TRAFFICKINGâ€..
I do not care that you think this is getting OLD to you. Johnny is MY SON â€¦. beginning and end of it. I make the decisions about this case not you or anyone like you. Here you are Mr. Big Mouth Anon, demanding all the sensitive details on Johnnyâ€™s case and you donâ€™t even use your own name. When I discovered the police were not investigating this case, thus the beginnig of the cover up. I hired good investigators and for 30 years have conducted my own investigation. There are many things the police do not know because they did not investigate leads which came in on the case. I DID. And for you to say â€œthis is not the way the case worksâ€â€¦. Wake up this is the way Johnnyâ€™s case is working. The sensitive information on the case has not been revealed and it will remain that way until it is prudent to release it. I know how, who and why Johnny was kidnapped. I know Johnny is alive and where he is located. Johnny is where he needs to be and if HE DECIDES to change that status then he will and I will supply my DNA to identify him if it is necessary. But why would he want to ever return to being Johnny Gosch? People like you or maybe YOU, would challenge his identity, challenge what ever he might say about his situation/ kidnapping. Johnny and other victims have witnessed from a distance what was done to Paul Bonacci when he came forward to help and speak the truth. Paul helped me a great deal and I admire him for doing itâ€¦ coming forward was not easy and he suffered because of his honesty.
As for Luke, he has been a trusted member of the investigative staff with the Johnny Gosch Foundation for years. No Luke is not his real nameâ€¦ but it is a name that he uses hereâ€¦ Sort of like you ANON.. donâ€™t you use ANON, so no one knows who you are when you make your idiot statements. Why on earth would any investigator use their real name here? Luke is not meâ€¦. I am not Luke but you will never be given his real name. Get over it!
And now for the David Shurter topic. David Shurter has attacked everyoneâ€¦. John DeCamp, Paul Bonacci and me. He has accused people of many things. I do not have anything to do with David, met him once and that was enough for me. David shared with me and the immediate world that he gets his information from a shaman in a trance. Well bless himâ€¦ but that doesn not make his information true, AS HE WOULD LIKE EVERYONE TO BELIEVE. I understand he is on another rampage and has sent out a letter accusing me of a crime. Now I have already contacted an attorney some time ago about Davidâ€™s accusations towards me and I have grounds for a law suit against him. However, he doesnâ€™t have a POT TO PISS INâ€¦ so why would I spend my time going after some idiot, who simply goes off his rocker periodically and attacks people. This has been going on for years and yes Luke has called him out on it in the chat area a few times. Where is it written that my team cannot defend ourselves against an attacker? David started all of this years ago, I have no idea whyâ€¦ no one ever did anything to him to have produced this behavior. He is however heavily medicated and I do suspect he periodically needs to be re-evalated or he goes off the meds for the thrill of it. His attacks on John DeCamp and Paul are equally idiotic and everyone knows it.
Mr. Anon, I have met people like you before and they amuse me! Blowing off your mouth criticizing others, demanding information on one of the biggest kidnapping cases in the country just for your curiosity and amusement. If you had all this information that you feel you are entitled to what would you then do? Pick it apart? Criticize it? Then post how you donâ€™t believe this or that fact? I bet you would do all of the above. I rarely post anything on any website or chat area, I have too much to do. I consult on many other kidnapping cases as requested.
Mr. Anon, have you written and passed any laws to protect children? Testified at any Senate Hearings? Established the finger printing program in the US â€¦ prior to what is available through new technology today? Did you help with your testimony before the Justice Dept. to appropriate the first 10 million dollars to start the National Center for Missing Children? Were you invited to be on over 50 Network TV shows? Did you give over 800 speeches to large organizations with audiences of 1200 to 1500 people, churches, schools ( working with the kids) ? Have you done even one of these above mentioned things ? No you sayâ€¦. WELL I HAVE DONE THEM ALL. Be careful who you pick on Mr. Anonâ€¦. it might just bite you on the nose.
Noreen N. Gosch and I AM JOHNNYâ€™S MOM
Noreen, I am â€œAnonâ€ or â€œMr. Big Mouthâ€ as you claim. I made it known during the chat as well by the way.
How about you quit hiding behind your â€œLukeJâ€ nonsense and actually speak for yourself from now on before you go and criticize others?
All this is is another rant from you criticizing anyone who doesnâ€™t fall right in line with everything you think and say. Youâ€™ve done it numerous times in the past and this site always allows you to do so for some reason â€“ as if you are more of a victim than anyone else that is a victim.
You arenâ€™t the only one to deal with hardship, so you might as well quit acting like you are. You arenâ€™t the only one to lose a child, so again, quit with acting like you are.
You (or your alter ego LukeJ) constantly state how there is so much information always coming about regarding Johnnyâ€™s case, yet you never present it. You claim you canâ€™t.
Well if you canâ€™t present it, why in the world do you mention it to begin with? What does that accomplish? You invite the criticism you despise so much upon yourself. YOU and YOU alone are the one who continuously places yourself and your sonâ€™s story in the spotlight.
You then bemoan the fact people have the audacity to take an interest in you and/or the Johnny Gosch case when it doesnâ€™t fall in line with the guidelines you wrongly feel should be followed.
You donâ€™t own the story. You donâ€™t control the public. And again, you invite all the criticism upon yourself. YOU place yourself in the spotlight you claim you really donâ€™t want.
Iâ€™d tell you Iâ€™m truly sorry for your loss (which I am), but I know it means nothing to you coming from someone who â€œdaresâ€ to challenge your view of things. Youâ€™d likely find a way to turn it into a â€œbadâ€ thing anyhow.
You are so quick to point a finger at, criticize, and call others names, yet God forbid anyone dare do the same to you. Do you not see the hypocrisy you partake in?
Itâ€™s disheartening how certain people involved in this Franklin Scandal have come to be regarded with a â€œcelebrityâ€ status and therefore â€œcanâ€™tâ€ be questioned or challanged regarding anything they state without going off on a rant about those who do so.
The story and situation extends far beyond you and Johnny.
And before you get so hung up on feeling itâ€™s crazy for anyone to question your role regarding the case (not that I am doing so), perhaps you should keep in mind that you yourself believe your ex-husband was involved in Johnnyâ€™s abduction.
How is it any more bizarre for others to think that if a father could do such a thing to their child that a mother could as well?
Get over yourself. If you donâ€™t want the spotlight on you stop putting yourself in it. And quit being so ridiculously hypocritical with your comments about other victims and the manner in which you address others when you have zero clue as to what hardships they have dealt with in their life.
You arenâ€™t the only one who suffers Noreen. And when you continuously keep yourself in the spotlight only to then criticize others it is more than fair for others to begin doing the same to you.
Noreen/Lukejâ€¦. No one is trying to control the publicâ€¦ but I do control what information is released on Johnnyâ€™s case.
That is the way it is and all of your attacks will not change a thing. I do not bemoan the fact that people are interested in the case. I just do not intend to release all information to people. If this case goes to court,it is not prudent to have certain facts floating in the public domain. Anyone with â€œone eye and an assâ€ could figure that out. You show your ignorance by the way you spew forth on Johnnyâ€™s case, it is clear you really do not know what is going on concerning these cases. You have a lot to learn.
Thank you Banjo, people love to write and attack me for all sorts of things. I think it gives them a â€œhigh of some sortâ€ Yet when I state how the case is being conducted and that it is my decision as to what is released they become all offended and rant on and on.
I the chat there was talk that this loud mouth had never seen Luke so therefore he doesnâ€™t exist. Well just where are they supposed to have set up a meeting so â€œloudmouthâ€ could â€œview Lukeâ€.?? I have never seen the loudmouth in person so therefore he does not exist eitherâ€¦. People are so f_____king stupid it is pathetic. I appreciate the support Banjoâ€¦ Thank
He will no doubt rant on and on much like David S. always did. He thinks he can attack me in chat to various people and that I have no right to make statements â€¦ He or she needs step into reality. The very things he/she wrote indicate a â€œDMCâ€â€¦ Diminished Mental Capacity.
Post by Helen Dagner on Nov 30, 2012 0:24:32 GMT -5
Helen, I just came back from reading on Topix,I would say that Les is much sicker than Kevin,Terri and C-W-W,but one thing they all have in common,is they can not disguise their Jealousy of you! Yes your the blame for the way these looser react to life. Sgt. lol
Post by Helen Dagner on Nov 30, 2012 19:56:52 GMT -5
Validation? maybe for My Claims with Franklinfiles.net/ If you want to continue with these postings-you can_Re: Another conversation About Me on Franklinfiles.net Tonight- New Post on DavidShurter.com -David has it all-and I do not have the space to post it all-
Serious accusations are being thrown my way by Captn on Franklinfiles.net so be sure you read until the endâ€¦
MobiusMan wrote: I am more than willing to remove him from the site unless he changes his stance.
That seems about satus quo for this site. â€œSpeak out against anything we tell you is the truth and we will remove you from the site.â€
Meanwhile Noreen is allowed to spew her hatred against everyone, mistate things they have said, and have free range in regards to all of her actions without anything being done.
The biasness at this site and itâ€™s blinded devotion to Noreen only hurts things surrounding shedding light on the Franklin case.
I can honestly tell you I was far more sympathetic to her situation and the fact people ridiculed her prior to being at this site and learning that her behavior brings it all upon herself.
I havenâ€™t called her a nut or any other such names, yet I am the one being threatened with banishment from the site. Meanwhile Noreen has gone off with numerous insults against me and nothing â€“ NOTHING â€“ is said to her. In fact, all she gets is encouragement to keep on behaving in the awful manner she carries on in.
As for evidence Noreen, I havenâ€™t demanded one shred of evidence. I donâ€™t expect you to show me or anyone else any evidence. What I said is that if you arenâ€™t going to provide it then why do you go on and on about how you posess all this information you canâ€™t share? What purpose does that serve? All you do by stating such things is open the door for criticism to come you way â€“ criticism which you clearly do not handle very well dispite the fact you bring it upon yourself.
As soon as anyone expresses a viewpoint that doesnâ€™t fall in line with your own you go on an ugly rant about them. You call people names and then imply they are crazy, or wait, as it pertains to me I am of a â€œDiminished Mental Capacity.â€
Tell me one name I have called you. Tell me one insult I have thrown your way. I mean, heck, you even go off against people who are on your side at the mere thought of you miscontruing their intentions with things they say. You did this within the past week or so with geogaddi. You even eluded to thinking geogaddi may be working with or in favor of Nick Bryant and you quickly hopped on and dereided her for absolutely no good reason.
And in regards to â€œLukeJâ€ I donâ€™t have any issue believing you have an investigator or mulitpile investigators on the case. I have accused you of using the â€œLukeJâ€ handle here as a cover for comments you sign on yourself and make. With that in mind I will be more precise in what I am claiming.
There may be some other person that posts using the LukeJ handle, but you have posted under that guise as well. Even your friend IowaGurl has let it be known that she used to think you were LukeJ. Numerous people in the past have stated the same thing. And when David Shurter use to make the claim (when I was new to the site) I often asked why is he so hell bent on believing such a thing. I questioned him myself about it and regardless of his answer given I never believed he was correct in his assessment. Well, over time Iâ€™ve come to realize that it is far more likely that you have, if not every time then at least on occassion, posted under the LukeJ persona.
It really doesnâ€™t take a rocket scientist to see the similiarities in tone and presentation between when you post as â€œJohnnyâ€™s Momâ€ and when you post as â€œLukeJ.â€ They are EXACTLY alike. You both make the same exact comments. You both go on the same exact tirades. You both have a short fuse that goes off at the slightest suggestion of someone saying they dare to question anything youâ€™ve put forth regarding what happened to Johnny Gosch. And not only that, but you arenâ€™t even clever enough to at least not switch to using the same font style and size when you post.
And on top of that LukeJ does not compose himself like a professional investigator in the slightest. He loses his cool far too quickly. He makes statements that no investigator would bother making on a public forum while partaking in an investigation â€“ or likely at all.
Heck, he spends so much time here to begin with it leaves me wondering when is he doing his investgation to begin with. It makes zero sense that a private investigator would do all this investigating that he prefers be kept solely between himself and his client only to then go on a public forum and make little mention of things here and there. The fact he would come here and discuss anything about the case is ridiculous enough.
I am not the only person who has noticed this. Neither is David Shurter. Thereâ€™s people you (or LukeJ) have spoken to which believe this, they simply donâ€™t come forth and say it to you.
So yeah, might there be some investigator that the â€œLukeJâ€ persona is based upon? Sure. Might this mystery investigator have signed on as â€œLukeJâ€ at this site before and maybe even made posts at times? Thatâ€™s not hard to believe either. But thatâ€™s not the point. The point is you have posted as LukeJ and used that handle on the chat box plenty of times.
So again, why donâ€™t you keep that in mind before you rant and rave about people posting as â€œANONâ€ (again, that is despite the fact I made it known who I was in the chat. IG can back me on that if she so chooses).
And even worse is that as soon as I come forth and state clearly who I am within this post I am than threated with being removed from the site because you guys donâ€™t like what I have to say? Is that really how things work around here? If thatâ€™s the case then this site shouldnâ€™t be trusted for much of anything. How many people have already been run off of here because of issues directly related to Noreen anyway?
And again, tell me one insult I have thrown your way since you have clearly thrown numerous ones at me despite the fact you know far less about me then I know about you (whether you like it or not Noreen, you are a public figure. Thatâ€™s not to say I know you well, but I certainly know more about you than you know about me).
I havenâ€™t called you a single name. All I have done is openly express my thoughts about things while also stating my belief that if nothing else you have posted as LukeJ on this site at times. And Iâ€™ve given the reasons why I believe that to be the case. Iâ€™d love to know how that warrants me being considered for banishment from the site for any reason.
Noreen and Paul Bonacci have gone and dismissed EVERYTHING David Shurter discusses about this case and yet they are always more than welcome here at Franklin Files. They are treated like â€œuntouchablesâ€ within this community. They have flat out called him crazy. Noreen (and/or LukeJ) have mocked his religious beliefs. And not only that, but they have claimed the ordeals he has suffered to be totally false. That he has made every last bit of it up.
If anyone dared to say the same about Noreen or Paul Bonacci theyâ€™d quickly be run of the site. Iâ€™m being threatened with that very thing simply because Iâ€™ve openly stated my throughts regarding certain things here â€“ namely the LukeJ being Noreen thing. I havenâ€™t doubted her story. I havenâ€™t claimed she is a liar (regarding things about the Johnny Gosch case). I havenâ€™t called her crazy or partaken in any name calling. Yet for some reason I am a â€œbadâ€ guy all of the sudden because I dared to say something that doesnâ€™t fall in line with devotion to and â€œpro-Noreenâ€ stance this site clearly holds.
AND WHILE I WAS READING THIS- THIS WAS THE CHAT IN THE ROOM AT 1112 PM ON FRANKLINFILES.NET FROM A MODERATORâ€¦ JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IMPRESSION OF WHAT I AM TRULY DEALING WITH
CaptM: well, I sure wouldnt raise someone up that has threatened sexual violence to others in pmâ€™s Looking2: Youâ€™re telling me David Shurter has threatened to sexually abuse others? CaptM: I think I was clear
This abuse accusation comes from my niece Melissa at the same time Mark was accusing me of raping them- she told everyone on Franklinfiles.net that I called and left a message on her answering machine threatening to rape her then three year old daughter- (who lived in Seattle at the time), if she didnâ€™t stop Mark on his rant. I DID call her- and was incredibly angry- but never ONCE did I threaten any kind of abuse- let alone to travel 3000 miles in order to stalk and rape her daughter. However- this was in the EXACT time frame when Mark got on claiming abuse. Again- I HAVE COPIES OF ALL OF THIS. Again- this happened at a time that I was banned- much like tonight- when Capt- who HAS threatened me with violence, albeit through lame innuendos- tonight proclaimed on the chat that I was some sort of sexual deviant. Again- in a way that I canâ€™t defend myself except on my blog and my never ending email list.