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Post by Helen Dagner on May 31, 2013 2:31:50 GMT -5
Helen, You will need a barf bag, but I will send you my Dads notes on the Occk investigation from 1978. Xxxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 31, 2013 2:37:07 GMT -5
Helen, You mean in that one photo of Mark Stebbins body being recovered? I did see some people in the background. Wonder if one of them is John. Does anything else jump out at you?
I liked what you wrote in response to the Free Press author regarding Busch, the ropes, drawing. Girls be taken, etc. That is a VERY good drawing of a boy screaming and must have been done by someone who is “into” art. The only aspect of the suicide scene which nobody discusses is the VW Rabbit Owner’s manual on Busch’s desk. To me, this could be a clue because why in the world would the son of a GM top executive have THAT in his possession? If he needed a car, his father surely would have gotten him one…and would have been a different GM car, for sure. To me, that VW Rabbit Owner’s manual was planted. Sgt.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 2, 2013 11:08:45 GMT -5
Why I Believe that My Brother Stephen Westly Shurter is a Serial Killer like Our Father
The first time I began to suspect my brother was a serial killer was when I was fourteen, when he and our oldest sister Cindy reported me to the Minneapolis, MN police as a serial killer who had been going into gay bars and killing men in town at the time. Arguing that I looked like Jeffery Dahmer, the well-known notorious serial killer who was eventually caught, I always suspected there was much more to the story. Considering that ALL of my older siblings lived in the area at the time, and Stephen, who was 27 then, ALSO resembled Jeffery Dahmer in a strange way- it has been my contention that Cindy and Stephen were trying to set me up at 14 to take the fall for Stephen- who later encored a legal history of harassing and physically accosting prostitutes here in Omaha about 10 years later. Personally, considering his self-hatred with regards to his own sexuality- I think it is very possible that Jeffery Dahmer was NOT the predator that was killing men in Minneapolis, but rather, it was my brother- who had already had a known family history of strange behavior.
Our parents signed Stephen into the armed services as a minor- and his job was as a photographer. Later, when he finally got out and returned home, his ENTIRE portfolio consisted of dead people and graves. Trophy pictures perhaps- it always served to weird me out- but Stephen pretty much did that all by himself.
During the Franklin Credit scandal- a photographer by the name of Rusty Nelson- who was busted for taking much of the child porn that was taking place here in town, reported that Larry King, one of the public ring leaders involved with all of this- had TWO photographers- and considering that my brother’s darkroom, which was his bathroom in his apartment when we all lived in Fremont, Nebraska -was full of pictures of naked children, I contend that my brother was the second photographer involved in all of this.
I think that my father was aided and abetted by my brother and my father’s third wife- Joanne C. Shurter,in the abductions of children such as Ricki Chadek in Omaha, Johnny Gosch- Eugene Martin, and Mark Allen in West Des Moines, IA, and Jacob Wetterling in Minnestota- as well as probably being connected with the ritualistic killings of four children in Michigan called the Oakland Child Killing Murders. These are just the children that I have researched and found INCREDIBLE similarities to all of the cases- like the fact that our family owned ALL THE VEICHLES named in these abductions, and considering that I know for a fact that my father was a child killer- it isn’t a great leap to think that he was involved with these events. However- my brother has his own history, as does his ex-wife Jenny Shurter, which begs the question as to what was the extent of my brother’s crimes?
Two years after Stephen died in Ocean City, Maryland- a man by the name of Larry King Jr. (not the same Larry King who was jailed for Franklin Credit), was sentenced to prison for having an entire collection of child porn pictures that detailed ritualistic sadomasochistic images with a satanic flair. I believe that this collection of original pictures was my brother’s trophy collection, hopefully taken from the Franklin credit period- although I have a sick feeling that my brother didn’t stop until he got ill- so who knows. A blatant indication that our childhood was rife with bizarre events that shattered his conscience; Stephen’s life shows that not all was right with neither he, nor our family, as his history shows that there were many indications that he was involved in more than most realized. I would also like to point out that Joanne, although our step-mother, was only three years older than my Cindy- and she was MOST DEFINITELY married to and abusing us with our father at the time. Although my father and brother are dead, along with our oldest sister Cindy- Joanne is very much alive, which is one of the reasons why I think that these events STILL MATTER, considering that many of the offending pedophiles involved are still alive and free- which, in my opinion- needs to be rectified sooner than later.
There is NO STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS ON MURDER- and these cold cases need to be relooked at with regards to my family and their friend’s involvement in them. We all owe it to ourselves to find the truth to these matters so that we, as a collection of concerned individuals, can stop this from happening In the future. And that is my rant for this Sunday Morning. New post on DavidShurter.com
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 3, 2013 5:01:46 GMT -5
I will do my best to get some of your Feedback posts up today~
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 3, 2013 6:05:36 GMT -5
Ok, I'm taking this post out of order and I am going to answer it-Now! Only because you have P-iss'd me off!!!~ Your barking up the wrong tree,telling me that to read Cathy's site is " Déjà vu all over again, again"~ Few things I need to say! #1~ Everything you have said is soooo Old Yahoo Group However I think this new wave is Topix Gang- #2 I'm not going to even respond to any more of this crap ~#3 I have not read the post on her site yet today-So I have only your words to consider -But what you have said about her post on author Theodore Weesner-Is true-and If she didn't back it up with Documents-It Is because I have the originals-She gave them to me years ago-so I could post on Mr. Weesner-and I'm sure she never made copy's of them at the time-because she had no Idea she would be having a site of her own-some day~ I'm sure you will always see matches to Cathy and my posts,on one or the other of our sites-because we are working from the same facts-and you can not change fact!! ~ I notice you sent this post at 5 a.m.-You really need to get a life, If this was the most important start to your day!!!
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 3, 2013 13:40:56 GMT -5
Helen, Thanks. She is adamant that the autopsy showed the two boys were raped (implying not post-mortem with an object). I recall reading Werner Spitz’s autopsy on Tim’s death where he said that he was molested post-mortem with an object. Spitz is one of the most renowned forensic pathologists. Few, if any, are better.
The correct answer to this is HUGE. If there was fluids found, it would indeed indicate a pedophile. If not, this is just a warped killer. Do you have the FOIA or autopsy document handy you can send me or post again? I’d like to send it to Cathy. * Note-This is one of the things I am working on-so just hold off ,until I run my story-I have a box of files in,from a dead cops family-and let me tell you it takes a lot of the guess work out of these cases-and it also tells me-that John never told me all of the story and it also tells me that none of the cops who have ever worked on these cases-ever read all the info on suspects-because if they had-this would all of been over a long time ago!
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 3, 2013 13:43:56 GMT -5
Hi Helen, I was looking at Cathy Broad’s blog today and came across this article. www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071104/ENTERTAIN/711040310 You are mentioned: HERALD: I found a response from you to a Helen Dagner on her forum where you say "a fading time of your life," referring to yourself. Do you really think of this stage in your life that way? WEESNER: This woman just connected with me about six months ago. She's a woman who lives in Indiana or Idaho or something. She took an interested in the Oakland killings and devotes her life to gathering information ...; and created a Web site on the killings. People have assumed I knew a lot of about the case. ...; I DID. ...; But it's left me. I don't generally put my address and phone out there. She found them and contacted me, and she scared me a little bit. I think I tried to write something ...that would make it known ...; I was done. I've heard from prisoners on many occasions thinking I have the inside goods on how they could get out of prison. ...; I tell them "I hope you make your way, but I can't help." I noticed in Cathy’s blog that some college kid , who may have been a suspect, jumped over a bridge in 1977 or 1978? Do you know the name of the kid? Greg
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 3, 2013 13:46:37 GMT -5
Helen, If you can share any of John’s associates names, I could help with some research. However, I understand if you can’t. No matter who – I want the killer caught and identified. Everything I have read makes Hastings STILL the very best suspect to me…by far! LT.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 3, 2013 14:12:50 GMT -5
This is why I can not get anything done in a timely manner- Yahoo can not load my files quite often " We're experiencing some technical difficulties... We’re sorry, but Yahoo! Mail can't load due to a temporary error. You can try back again shortly, or visit our help pages for ways to troubleshoot the issue. Temporary error: 15 Visit Help for troubleshooting instructions"
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 3, 2013 15:42:33 GMT -5
OPINION: This 11 year old, white boy, Timothy King, died of smothering. Injuries of the face, included a scraped area of the inner lining of the mouth, and a bite mark of the tongue.\from a short height. Areas of indentation and discoloration on the wrists and one ankle suggest binding."
The anal canal was grossly dilated and abrasions of the lining of the anal canal were present indicating sexual abuse. No sperm or evidence of semen were present, nor were sperm or semen found in the swabs from the oral cavity.
The body was dumped at the scene approximately 2 hours or less before being found.... Extensive toxicological studies, including carbon monoxide, were entirely negative."
Signed, John E. Smialek, M.D., Deputy Chief Medical Examiner * Note-This is just one OPINION:-My files keep shutting down-The new info -that I have received,as I said was disturbing to me-I'm not going to post it until I am absolutely sure it is accurate -More on this later-I need a break~
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 4, 2013 8:23:02 GMT -5
This case remains popular as so many of us grew up during this time period. It reminds me of a real life Boogeyman that hunted kids in our community. When I watch the original version of John Carpenter’s “Halloween,” I am always reminded of this case. I have toyed with the idea of writing a novel (fiction, mind you) with regard to this case. I’ve got some ideas that would be on par with the Buffalo Bill character in “Silence of the Lambs.” I really think this guy did not see the children as human beings; I would bet that he considered the inanimate objects that he would care for, like a Barbie Doll. I have a feeling he was subjected to mental and physical abuse by an alcoholic (step) parent, and I can see this adult figure forcing him to play with girls’ dolls at a very young age. This is one factor that may have contributed to his pathology. I don’t think he was a homosexual; he simply incorporated the post-mortem sexual infliction on the two boys to throw the police off his trail. There’s no way a pedophile ring was involved. There would have been too many witnesses with too many mouths. And someone in this ring would have also molested the girls. xxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 6, 2013 9:57:31 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 6, 2013 10:00:06 GMT -5
Hi Helen, Well, we can now confirm that John Wayne Gacy is NOT the killer. Wow, why don’t they try to see if the DNA matches Ted Bundy. www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/gacy-dna-test-results-in-oakland-county-child-killer-case Doug Wilson, is on this video. I still think Tom may have fit the description of Gacy back then based on his picture from Facebook I sent you in January. Fat, sweaty type of guy with a mustache. Wilson lived in Troy, as I recall from the initial video. It’s really disturbing that they had the Hastings names prior to you meeting up with John. I can try to contact Xxxxx xxxxxx again. Xxxxxx
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 8, 2013 0:26:18 GMT -5
Dr. Werner Spitz will take some big hits on Tim's Autopsy when I post Information from a Deceased Police Officers File...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Jun 8, 2013 0:39:11 GMT -5
Helen, My Grandfather passed away in 1989 and among his effects,were files from his work on the Occk cases and the last entry is when he retired in 1985, John's name is in them,would you like to have them? Xxxxx * Note: Yes I would, I will have someone pick them up and I do appreciate your thinking of me!!!
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