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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 5, 2011 21:14:59 GMT -5
More Dribble from Don Studts Report-BKL 01586-I suggested to Helen that perhaps her motivation in this case was that she wanted to get some attention from Det.Skiba.whom she said she was in love with. I found it very difficult to except the coincidence that at about the same time as the Alpena Police Department severed their ties with her that she turned in this information on the Oakland County Child Killer.Her response was "Fu-- You!~ that is not what my motivation was"-Well Don To begin with there were no( severed ties between me and the Alpena Police Dept-but I have explained that else where on the site-However here are some examples for you-I was in the UP not even a week after you say these discussion took place with the Alpena Chief and the Det.-and they had the phone ringing off the wall-Helen we have all these arson-please help us out with them-as you know all the young people involved-will you talk to them? Please!-So I drove my butt up there -interviewed all the kids-and found out what was going on-then I went to the Jail for them- and the Sheriff-allowed me to have a conference with one of the boys that was in the jail- on and unrelated matter-CASE SOLVED!!! Then I drive back up to the UP and in a few days more phone calls-Helen.Geo took off-can you tell us where he is-Geo was the Michigan State Police Sgt.-who had been arrested for being a Pedophile-some thing he did for 25years-Well he cashed in his retirement to make Bail-went to stay at his Brothers another State Trooper-and the day he was to be sentence,they went out for breakfast and after they were finish said there goodbye-and Trooper Geo took off-and no one could find him-But they knew that I would know (and of course I did)-Here is the point Don-The Alpena Police would never burn their bridges with me-BECAUSE I AM TO WELL CONNECTED-So you can tell these story's as much as you want to-No one that matters will believe you anyway-and yes I did tell you that I love Skiba-However like everything else you have taken it out of context-see if this sounds familiar to you-You had just told me you didn't think Skiba was so much-In fact your words were "-I don't think he is all that" and you were acting so Pompous since you had arrived in Alpena-Like you and the Chief were the Big Boys from the rich city-I couldn't resist it-I said hey don't talk about the man I Love like that!! ...and you shut right up!lol-Here is the point I would like to make-What does any of this have to do with the Oakland County Child Murders? Why was it so important for you to make me appear to be a ding bat?-You can not change facts-The information was the best and most complete info any of you ever had on The Occk!-If it wasn't -you wouldn't have made so many trips to Alpena and their wouldn't of been any polygraphs given-nor would you have interviewed other police officers -who had interview John-nor would you have interviewed his family-(By the way you did a louse job of interviewing the family members-and you didn't even interview Daddy-So tell us Don-How was it you couldn't solve these cases??
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 6, 2011 18:02:17 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 9, 2011 3:34:44 GMT -5
Why? Why? Why?~We think we are getting closer to the Truth~
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 9, 2011 22:27:05 GMT -5
The Truth Is-Studt Is A Pathological Liar- I have no Idea how much of the 1992 Birmingham Michigan Police Documents by Don Studt-That I will Cover From My Oakland County Child Serial Murders Interviews with Chief Don Studt-But I know It Is something that must be done-What he has done to derail the solving of these cases-is unforgivable-In The Documents -I don't have the page number handy-but it is there -Don makes this big deal saying I read all the newspapers and the Task Force Manuel and bragged to him that I knew everything about these cases-In (1992} Well I read my first newspaper on the Occk In 1999-In order to check out Tim Kings photos-all the rest of my collection-came many years later-and the Task Force manual I learned about in 2004-I had never seen it-and did not believe it even existed-because Kdogg was the one who said it did-and you couldn't believe a word he said-On May,24th 2011-one of my readers sent me an Internet link for it-That is when I first posted it on this site. Here is that Link cloakdagner.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=202
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 9, 2011 22:42:13 GMT -5
My point to the above post is-WHY?---Did Don feel he needed to out and out lie about everything I said to him---One thing for sure he never thought I would read these Documents-Here I am 20 yrs later-wondering why after reading them-That he would do this-He had to have had a motive-Was it that he didn't want the other agency to contact me-Did he want them to think I was crazy? Did he for some reason not want these murders solved?? ...and If so -what could that reason be?? For those of you that don't know this-I requested the Tapes of all my and my Daughters Interviews under the FOIA-but the request was denied because it is and ongoing case-When I do get them-I will be posting them to YouTube-and If I'm not around to do that-I have made arrangements for someone else to take care of that matter...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 10, 2011 23:56:44 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 13, 2011 22:27:05 GMT -5
Part 9
Tom Robinson’s complaints on the OCCK investigation and the lack of uniting the families to find commonality, LE Senior Robert Robertson’s approach of keeping the families isolated, Helen documents the 3 other families getting together in 2009, Jill seeing counseling over her premonition of a man killing her and possibly a link, Karol Robinson complains about their LE contact not even knowing the case, art dealer John McKinney’s murder and if it relates, Helen’s find of John’s family having connections to McKinney, description of the wall hanging piece of art stolen during McKinney’s murder with more details than ever revealed before by the convenience of seeing it in John’s apartment in 1992.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 14, 2011 22:05:10 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 15, 2011 20:41:44 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 16, 2011 20:16:26 GMT -5
Well Chief Studt just to give you a heads-up-I will be requesting John McKinney's file under the FOIA-So don't try to redact everything!
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 16, 2011 20:30:14 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 17, 2011 12:20:17 GMT -5
Chief Studt-Did you even go over Johns Map drawings? Inquiring minds want to know~
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 17, 2011 23:27:48 GMT -5
Helen, No Logic or Moral Reasoning exists that gives any excuse for Don Studt to make such a Mean Spirited Personal Attack against you as he did in those FOIA Documents. I still remember how there was nothing going on with the Occk cases for years until you woke everyone up,and this is the Thanks you get for coming forward? Scott
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 18, 2011 18:40:43 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 20, 2011 21:49:45 GMT -5
March 25,1992 Report of phone Interview with Johns brother by Studt-Document BLK 01637-I reached Xxxxx by phone and asked him to relate to me if he could recall when his brother John stayed with him in fla.He said it was in the winter of 77 or 78 he couldn't be certain. I asked him if he could put it in relation with the time his brother came home from Europe? He said ,yes,he could do that.He was certain that John had flown to New York from Europe and directly from New York he hitchhiked to Florida.He hitchhiked to where XXXX was working,which was the International House of Pancakes Restaurant in Homestead,Florida....* Well that all sounds good-but then so did the other four story's -that were told by his family about this event-and then you have what John told Studt and then you have what John told me...so now we have six different story's about one event and since -Don Studt had this Info for all six story's--why didn't that raise a red flag to Studt???
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