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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 17, 2011 12:11:41 GMT -5
Helen,I think If they would have put Casual Observer on the Occk Task Force,these cases would have been solved by now. Do you even think Don Studt looked these maps of John's over? Jack
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 20, 2011 21:31:57 GMT -5
Here is a little Tidbit from the FOIA Document-BLK 01631-This will mean something to the long time site readers and the Old Defunct Yahoo Group-You remember when Kdogg went on and on in his postings-that he knew John was out of the country when the murders took place-because Johns sister had post cards from him-lol---Well here is what the Document says-His sister called Studt and said she found a postcard( That would mean one) That John had sent her from Belgium and she believes the date is September of 1976-Ok well John and his mother and this same sister have said in statements to the Police-that he had a 45 day ticket-So no matter how they twist it -John was in the States at the time of all the murders....
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 22, 2011 15:14:45 GMT -5
Jeff,Yes that is correct -when I ran Johns SS number in 2000 it came back to a Steven Tobin-with a Aug.1950 Birthday in Atlanta GA-but we know for sure that ss number is Johns~
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 24, 2011 1:00:32 GMT -5
Yes Robert, that is correct-It was Johns girl friend who turned him in original to the Task Force-She thought he was the Occk-because of some strange behavior..this was back in the 70s-You know I'm not talking about the mother of his child-Right?
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 25, 2011 0:10:00 GMT -5
Helen, Awhile ago you asked how many High schools on John's maps. He named two Bro Rice (boys) and Marion (girls). Also noticed that he actually drew the building HM pharmacy was located in - it was the exact shape he drew. He labels it with "Tim" Kay
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 26, 2011 0:03:40 GMT -5
I never knew what to make of this-I had written a very long letter to John-out lining how I thought he should go about confessing to law enforcement and telling him-I would make sure his daughter would live near him -If he should go to prison-and then I told him I would make sure that he always had money in his prison account-but that he really needed to do this as God demands this---and he never told anyone about the letter, by this time he was living at Scotts shelter, there were lots of guys there that liked John, plus he had a spiritual adviser and both John and I were friends of the local minister who stopped by Scotts several times a day-Now it just seems to me-that he would have said something to someone about that letter-like even-boy she is a nut case!...However he never even mention it to his family-nor to the cops who came to interview him....
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Post by Helen Dagner on Aug 30, 2011 20:44:51 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 20, 2011 16:49:32 GMT -5
*Route the killer took the night of Tim's drop off-*All numbered mile roads go east-west. He was on six mile, went north on Farmington Rd (main north/south rd) to seven mile road, turned left (west) to Gill Rd (about 1/2 mile), then turned right (north on Gill) and almost went all the way to 8 mile Rd where he dropped the body off. Then, he head ed east to get to Farmington Rd again. That is the very northern part of Wayne County as Oakland County begins on the north side of 8 Mile ~After he dropped Tim off, he turned right on 8 mile off Gill Rd. and went 1/2 mile east to Farmington rd., then turned right and went 2 miles south to Hollow Drugs at 6 mile and Farmington. By the way, there is a large Michigan Secretary of State's Office where Hollow Drugs used to be. There is a Floor Carpeting store where Danny's was at that time. * The Killer knew this area like the back of his hand-as he knew someone that worked at the Northville State Hospital...*also stated on the note was-I'm in my paper notes and one of my original notes from John...says-I went in the back way to Farmington Rd-There were no road blocks...I stopped at the Danny Mkt...but a woman kept looking at me-so I pulled into the Hollow drugstore...put the body North of seven mile...* It also says -Redford/ Livonia-I have not found the Info about the woman in the truck yet--But Maybe CO has a copy of it~
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 21, 2011 18:54:00 GMT -5
Mystery Solved--Redford comes right out at Beech and 8 Mile-and , north of eight mile and Beech is Southfield.(wonder who lives there)?
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 2, 2011 21:59:42 GMT -5
www.hastingsbarrels.com/ John said in his Interview with Studt that he had never been around guns in his life-That is not true-He had an uncle that was a Shotgun dealer in the Birmingham area-also Johns brother was a avid Hunter-and John knew everything there was to know about Ballistics-and about The Hastings Barrel---
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 3, 2011 0:12:23 GMT -5
and at one time John mention to me that he had a 22 pistol and another gun-that I will have to look up-as I can not seem to recall it tonight-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 6, 2011 10:35:18 GMT -5
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I received a letter in the mail today from Helen Dagner, also a map that she indicated drew for her. They are in the file.
I talked to Bloomfield Township Police Department Detective Bureau. They checked their files and they have no record of printing for fingerprints. However, they don't keep records for civilian prints.
They do not recall nor have records on anyone named committing suicide by jumping off a water tower. They will check informally with their detectives and officers to see if anybody recalls any type of incident or suicide such as that.
I checked with Lt. Kalbfleisch at his home in Florida, and asked him for some details in the case, following the lead that perhaps was not the one who did the case, but may have. Kalbfleisch is convinced that is the one that did the case. In addition to the confession provided by he lists the following indications that is was pattern to commit 4 or 5 burglaries at a time, wear a ski mask. The gold Cadillac that was seen in the arean was connected to . The day after the murder, called the initial informant in Hazel Park and told him that he blew somebody away and was in trouble in Birmingham and had to leave town and got some
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money from that person. The shoe prints at one of the burglaries matched shoes. There was dog repellant used on one of the B&E's on Villa Street that night that was found in Florida with things. The confession was very detailed, although he lied at first about the gun shot. When pressed by the investigators, he provided details about the shots, including the number of shots, how many were fired through a pillow, and how many were not. The investigators in that case recovered a ski mask. There were some items stolen from the B&E's that were recovered in Virginia. Had committed similar burglaries in Virginia and had a history of having sex with young girls. Further, was made on a rape in Clawson and about the time the case happened here. was in prison in Virginia, sentenced to 104 years. He was eligible for parole in 12, but Kalbfleisch indicated that there were 2 young women killed in a sex murder case in that area. Kalbfleisch believed was responsible in that case. The state of Virginia provides for the death penalty in those types of cases. He believes that's one of the reasons why admitted to this incident and wanted to be brought back to Michigan so he would serve his sentence in Michigan instead of Virginia.
I spoke with Det. Itomi of the Berkley Police Department. He indicated to me that he and his partner, Det. Anger, were prepared to drop further investigation on this tip. they had no plans to go and interview .
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Post by Helen Dagner on Mar 3, 2012 0:37:07 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 27, 2012 0:40:47 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 19, 2012 21:13:19 GMT -5
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