Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 25, 2012 16:32:06 GMT -5
Problem sold-I picked up a nasty Virus when I went to Topix and posted-and Rick has all this fancy equipment-that we don't know how to use-and his PC was notifying us of the Virus-and wouldn't let the post show until we ran a scan-so we wouldn't post something that would give someone else a problem...It has been a long day-already!
Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 25, 2012 17:59:45 GMT -5
Helen, I know you said not to send any post from Topix,But I had to show you this epb
Madison Heights, MI
Helen Dagner wrote: You can read this on our site-and If you have FOIA papers-Get the Interview out from the girl friend -who turned him in-in 1977-and when I have time-I will tell you how that connects to the case....John is soooo Busted!!!as are several other-Nay Sayers-OH I just love LIFE!!! epb
Madison Heights, MI You know Helen, I have never come across you in any kind of way, shape, or form - but you have a pathological obsession with being right. The only thing that has happened is that this informant posted to your forum. It doesn't mean that all of your pet theories are correct. Mark-*Note Mark -Thats Ok-I can answer that here-To what ever your name is-I don't have Theories lol -you can ask anyone who knows me and they will tell you that-and the reason I don't-Is because I believe in Research-and I never post a thing-until I have proved it-and you must be real new to the Occk cases-as I haven't been wrong with anything that has happen in the 20 plus years -since I met John--and got connected to the Occk case--also The Source didn't just post to my site,in fact I'm not sure he ever posted to one of my sites-I never checked that out-We emailed-If you have any other questions-why not do some research on them yourself-and see how much and how long you will enjoy it-and epb-be sure you sign all the posts with your real name-so we can tell you what a good job you have done--
Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 25, 2012 20:40:09 GMT -5
Just got off the phone with" BOB" Who as you know is really not "BOB" -And I have a lot of stuff to go through-So It is going to take me some time-Hang in there-This is getting better and better and better-I must However check every detail out-until I can make sense of it-What a mess-
Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 25, 2012 23:08:53 GMT -5
Helen,So I wonder who he thought he was addressing in his Inspector posts...? If you read it closely, he's not talking to Lily (or whoever he thinks Lily is)...he's just calling her a "fool." Who did he think was lurking on Topix? It's also strange that the "Inspector" claims that it wasn't the work of a child molester, yet his blog is all about the Franklin Scandal, etc Xxxx Note-Your going to have to wait on this answer-
Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 26, 2012 3:56:55 GMT -5
A Letter Sent to Media, Local FBI, OPD, and Supporters 11/06/2011
I want to point out that the Nebraska State Patrol, Joanne C. Shurter, and the local FBI have known what I have been doing for years now- and that they are UNABLE TO DENY KNOWLEDGE OF ALL OF THIS when it all is said and done. This is important- because it shows the consistent behavior of our local officials to turn a blind eye away from anything that has to do with the situations that I am speaking about. It isnt just this either- I mean- OPD considered Amber Harris a run away until someone tripped over her rotted corpse in Hummel Park months later, at which time they promply arrested a local violent pedophile that was involved with her disapperance.
A brief explanation as to the events that have occurred. My father Robert Lynn Shurter Jr. died in 2006, my sister Cindy Hester was murdered three weeks later, I was attacked in road rage that summer, and I called The Center for Missing and Exploited Children in Nov of 2006 to see if I could find any info on missing kids in the 70s. The January of 2007, a Nebraska State Patrol officer called me and asked for more info. Three weeks later, I called the Nebraska State Patrol and spoke to a Bob Frank, who was in charge of cold cases in Lincoln. I told him what was going on and he told me he would call me back. He never did.
Now- I see from Joanne C. Shurter’s Protection Order complaint that Bob Frank- who took my report- actually filled out two harrassmet complaints for Joanne C. Shurter- RB.#11575V and RB# Z40510 against me- NEVER ONCE CONTACTING ME IN THE PROCESS. So for the Nebraska State Patrol to say they didn’t know what has been going on- is IMPOSSIBLE. The local FBI cant say that either- since they are included in my BCC above and have been for quite some time. This shows that there is a propensity on the part of our law officials, to play games with this situtation.
To be honest- I am finally pushing the envelope regarding my family’s crimes and such, and I have now made my own reports. I am done playing games with all of this- it is time that it all comes out and gets looked at once in for all. I put this quote on Amazon.com regarding Sybil Exposed and I think it is fair that I share with you what I said- as this is my general attitude…
“Yep- trauma effects the way the brain remembers, and people are not digital cameras. But you cant say that everything that they remember about abuse can be totally discounted, esp. when there are so many similar cases out there on the books.
Take me for example. It could be said that I need to prove my memories and everything that I said was true- but I really think the only thing I need to prove is that my dad abducted and killed kids and the judicial system turned a blind eye. That is all I have to prove-and since he is my dad, and I know him well, it wont be that hard to prove.
We can argue Freud all day- but Jung is the new leader now- and no psychobabble is going to change the facts coming out in Omaha. Ritual abuse and satanic ritual abuse are REAL- and no rhetoric is going to change the facts of that.”
It is time all this crap finally came out and got looked at- and our local law officials CAN NOT DENY KNOWING ABOUT THIS. I just want to point that out. Not only that- but they are involved.
Oh- with regards to Bob Frank- the cold case guy. After I couldnt get any help from him- I went to Brian Mastre at KETV and asked him to help. He had just done a story about a local kidnapped boy and I thought he could help. Brian called me the next day and told me that Bob Frank couldnt find any proof that our family EVEN LIVED IN FREMONT- so I called Linden Elementary, and 15 minutes later had them fax not only Brian, but myself, my school records from Fremont. He not only didnt bother to even look,but he lied about things that were simple to check out, let alone helping my stepmother file silent police reports about me.
Interesting how all of this is working out- isnt it? This is NOT GOING TO GO AWAY.
I am probably going to do a new YouTube video about all of this so that I can share what is happening with others. Everyone who has gone silently and complancently with events that play out in Omaha have gotten royally screwed- and I figure that if that is going to be a case- this time I AM GOING TO DEMAND A KISS.
Thanks for you time with all of this- and all of your support.
This info was sent to me by a friend who thought that I was the author of these writings. I am not- but it gives good info on what happened in Oakland County, Michigan with child murders. Again- I personally believe that there is a great chance that my family was involved in these killings.
Oakland County Child Killer; Police Cover Up and Cult Rituals
Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 26, 2012 11:45:33 GMT -5
I want to caution you--Do not draw any false conclusions-from this thread-as you do not know what is going on behind the scenes-I know that sounds a little cryptic-However-Loose Lips Sink Ships-If you do not have the knowledge of what is going on....we all know that- I need the WOMAN-From the Netherlands-Who contacted "BOB" in 2010 just before the Inspector71 posts appeared on Topix-( The gal who lived in Michigan all of her life up to that point) You could also email me-and I will call you. Bingotank@aol.com Thanks!
Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 26, 2012 12:04:55 GMT -5
Helen,do you still think this could be true? Female Accomplice Occk Posted on March 15, 2004 at 07:51:09 AM by Helen dagner
After 14 yrs of investigating the Oakland County Child Killer,I have recently been shocked by an unexpected turn of event's.My newly uncovered information seems to shed new light on some confusing pieces of the jigsaw puzzle and brings them together in a clearer,more comprehensive picture of what may have actually,taken place.Over the years,a few law enforcement persons have speculated that a woman may have helped john with the abduction and/or confinement of the victims--I am now largely convinced that this is indeed true.I believe John acted in concert with at least one other person-a female accomplice-.and possible another male-These new leads are being pursued through unofficial channels,which may bring about -startling new revelations in this case in particular--and in Serial killings-in general....
Adam- Answer- You guys really do keep all my posts-
During 16 years in office, former state Senator John DeCamp was cited, even by his enemies at the World Herald, as one of the most effective legislators in Nebraska history. A highly decorated Vietnam War veteran, in 1975 he initiated Operation Baby Lift, which evacuated 2,800 orphaned Vietnamese children. He practices law in Lincoln, Nebraska, is married, and is the father of four children.
The shut-down of Omaha, Nebraska's Franklin Community Federal Credit Union, raided by federal agencies in November 1988, sent chock waves all the way to Washington, D.C. $40 million was missing. The credit union's manager: Republican Party activist Lawrence E. "Larry" King, Jr., behind whose rise to fame and riches stood powerful figures in Nebraska politics and business, and in the nation's capital.
In the face of opposition from local and state law enforcement, from the FBI, and from the powerful Omaha World-Herald Newspaper, a special Franklin committee of the Nebraska Legislature launched its own probe. What looked like a financial swindle, soon exploded into a hideous tale of drugs, Iran- Contra money-laundering, a nationwide child abuse ring, and ritual murder.
Nineteen months later, the legislative committee's chief investigator died-- suddenly, and violently, like more than a dozen other people linked to the Franklin case.
Author John DeCamp knows the Franklin scandal from the inside. In 1990, his "DeCamp memo" first publicly named the alleged high-ranking abusers. Today, he is attorney for two of the abuse victims.
Using documentation never before made public, DeCamp lays bare not only the crimes, but the cover-up -- a textbook case of how dangerous the corruption of institutions of government, and the press, can be. In its sweep and in what it portends for the nation, the Franklin cover-up followed the ugly precedent of the Warren Commission.
Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 27, 2012 0:32:17 GMT -5
Does anyone know if -C-W-W- Is still hanging a round? If he is tell him I would like to hear from him-as his name came up today -and all though that didn't surprise me-I want to go over that info with him-
Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 27, 2012 9:18:11 GMT -5
Helen,Did you listen to the live broadcast last night with the mystery witness? I'm not saying I dispute the validity of his father killing children, or anything else he says, but he doesn't present himself in a very cohesive manner, which is likely the reason law enforcement largely ignored him. Sorry, but just because he has outlandish things to say doesn't mean they should ignore it. The crimes themselves were outlandish, the whole situation is. ( i do have to admit I didn't listen to the whole thing, but what I heard gave me the impression he is not a great speaker, and that the way he speaks takes away from his credibility... a lot. But I think it's a huge mistake to ignore what he has to say about the murders just because he wanders off topic a lot before coming back on task). One thing that disturbs me about his credibility is that at one point in the interview he claimed his family were witches in a top coven back in the 13 colonies, and his father was very proud of that fact. Then later says his family was Jewish and practiced Jewish religion until his grandfather turned his back on that faith in favor of satanism. I believe it was at or near that point the other author slated to be part of the interview, removed himself with a quick "I've gotta go" and hung up on them. This was after Shurter had already been on a roll about government mind control affecting his health with noise making devices they were pointing at him, being institutionalized after attacking his nephew while screaming 'I am the Antichrist and you need to kill me', etc...
Here's what I don't understand though... Instead of deciding he couldn't have any valuable information, and ignoring yet another, possibly very viable lead, why not take his DNA? He claims his father and fathers associates to be the killer(s). Wouldn't his DNA at least show a family match if any of the DNA is from his father? And he makes a very good presentation about his father being the killer. They need to get this guys DNA and check out the house he lived in with the soundproof room.
And the Topix group... HELLO? Do they not read your site at all? They would know who he was if they read your stuff. AND, this is really sticking my neck out here, but it's crystal clear to me Inspector 71 was calling out Truth Dude, who's family knew two of the victims (a connection between victims, is that not worth checking out?). She even tries to taunt him into taking one of his lie detector tests he's always offering to everyone else. I don't think inspector 71 and the new mystery witness are the same person. Do you?Xxxx Note-Thank you for your thoughts-I will tell you this-NO He Is Not Inspspector71-He does understand why I thought so-Someone has tried to take over his style-but he has never posted under any name but his own-However the Info for the 100 million Dollar Suit-was definitely his and he was never contacted before the Suit by anyone to validate that info-and part of that Info-came from a cop-and he knows this-because the cop is the only one he told it to--and I believe him-as I had received his first Info in 2006--I won't have any more to say on his involvement -until -we are prepared to post the story-