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Post by Helen Dagner on May 28, 2013 4:44:29 GMT -5
Helen,Do you remember why Sr. told you about Lee Busch? Also, could that point to a possible connection between the boys? What if they were both Fox Island sickos? Or some other organization legit or otherwise. Dan
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 29, 2013 8:52:07 GMT -5
FORMER RESIDENT OF ROYAL OAK
" Have full page info re man who came to area before 1st murder &left after 4th Sent cert mail to Am. Most Wtd,Det Gray & Tribune's Melshivac 8 yrs ago. Recent crime & incarceration in another State adds fuel to fire. Sent full report to F.B.I. Oct. 27.If no action or response soon will pursue further. will pursue further. "
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 29, 2013 8:58:12 GMT -5
My thoughts on the whole investigation as it stands today just can’t be published Helen. Lilly is adamant that McKinney is involved in the killings, and maybe he was, but I think it’s far more likely that John’s Mom told him something that day at Landmark that caused him to be murdered that very night.
I don’t buy the fact that Busch is the killer. He did run in bad circles though, and he may have known a hell of a lot that important people didn’t want known. His *suicide* was awfully convenient for a young rich kid child molester who wouldn’t fare well in prison.
I think Cathy is just so desperate to see it solved that she’s grasping at straws. They don’t have much on Busch. So he was a child molester and a creep….so was about 300 other perverts in the area. Why would Busch take Jill and Kris? It doesn’t fit. If he was going to sell them why kill them? Especially Kris….she was kept 3 weeks! ED
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 29, 2013 9:00:49 GMT -5
Hi Helen,
Did you mean to copy me on this? Either way – good for you! Hope they provide the tapes. Betty
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 29, 2013 9:06:47 GMT -5
Helen, The bottom line here is all the site readers and poster's...efforts have not been for naught...The slayings of these 4 children...will be remembered until Eternity!Sadly but other abducted and murder children,with unsolved cases,...will never be remembered,by anyone other than there family's...and a few close friends...But The Oakland County Child Killer Victims names can be recognized...ALL over the world...as the children...that never made it home...and that everyone still cared...enough to keep their story alive. Sue
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 29, 2013 9:19:46 GMT -5
Helen as you will recall he is the no lie guy polygraph-er...who said he was told by another polygraph-er that Busch did it-well when that didn't prove out-He had another revelation after reading Lilly's Cass Coridor book and she name McKinney-so he said he did some checking back in Birmingham -and he found connections to two of the kids and McKinney...he is full of s--- and himself...for god sakes he is another Dan!!! Tony
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 30, 2013 4:26:36 GMT -5
Mike-I think you mean this garbage from Topix,Right? (From a post by “The Facts” on February 27, 2012 …sounds like this info has been intentionally kept from the other families due to them going to the media.
“A party that receives documents or information and then runs to the media to distribute such information does little more than to provide Jessica Cooper and investigators a reason to justify their actions. It does nothing but interfere with bringing facts to light and initiating an investigation from outside the jurisdiction Cooper controls.
Such an effort for an outside investigation into this matter is what everyone should have been involved with instead of other activities that have done nothing to resolve this matter. However, it is also apparent that those that participate in such irresponsible activities are unable to realize the damage they cause through their activities regardless of their intentions or motivation.
There are no suspects discussed on any forum or implicated by investigators that have been proven to have any involvement in these cases as a participant.”) *Note-Sounds like "BOB to me"
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 30, 2013 4:31:27 GMT -5
Ken, try this-*The link for Google news? Type “Sharon Smentowski” (?) into googles search engine and the articles should show up. She was murdered in July of 1959, the murder wouldn’t have anything to do with Les or the brother in law, but it could explain why Gary was so messed up.
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 30, 2013 4:36:49 GMT -5
Helen, I don’t think she’s that much of a mystery. She’s very protective of the Cass Kids, so she probably did grow up in the Cass and probably did think that The CC Freaks were involved in the OCCK. As for her change of heart towards you, that probably came when Cathy posted all the FOIA docs mentioning John. Then again, I only know what I’ve read…any conversation I’ve had with her has been limited to the Topix board. Tess
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 30, 2013 4:39:54 GMT -5
Helen ,Hey stranger..hope you're well. I saw this on the news. I can't make in on Thursday, unfortunately.Dave
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 30, 2013 4:43:00 GMT -5
Helen, Holy cow! Wow, this is interesting news! I know you disagree with the whole plan behind it, but whatever it takes to keep the focus on the case works,for me! Joe
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 30, 2013 4:55:23 GMT -5
Stan, there is no delicate way you can ask him! Just tell the MF'er,your going to tell the cops that he said he knew the connection between John and Busch and then DO IT!
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 30, 2013 5:07:23 GMT -5
Hey, These people are just as-se-s. They are really disrespecting the kids memories by keeping this trash talking alive. Try not letting them get to you, it's not worth your time or energy. Save it for the important things, like your health or for something that still might be important in the investigation, not this crap.
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 30, 2013 14:24:46 GMT -5
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Post by Helen Dagner on May 31, 2013 2:19:27 GMT -5
Ok Helen, During the time of the murders a man in a car followed and tried to grab one of my four kids--they were all at a shopping plaza in Walled lake (Oakland Co. on Maple rd.-they were 8,9,11 and 12 yrs old-to this day they are in their 40s and all remember the license plate and description---but never did the police seem to do any checking----Xxxx is trying now to see how to trace a plate back to 76?------I called police each and every time the killings were mentioned on the news but--they just never seemed to care? Whats the deal?-Xxxxxx
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