Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 11, 2013 12:58:26 GMT -5
So I saw Heather Catallo’s report and also read all of Cathy’s posts regarding the search warrant for Busch’s house. There seems to be some contradiction as to what Werner Spitz said in his autopsy report and what these posts say as far as semen being found on the boys. Also, did Chris Busch actually say he used to go looking for boys at the locations he indicated? Harold Clayton Anderson used to go over to 9 mile and Woodward, too looking for boys. We know that as fact.
Gregory Greene may be implicating Busch because he is mad that’s he’s in prison while his partner, Busch is out on bail. I don’t think Greene deserves credibility; nor Busch for that matter.
What do you make of all of this? I can certainly understand the King family beliefs on Busch based on what LE has told them. I really wish LE would go over to John’s rental house with the same type of search warrant and check his place out.
Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 11, 2013 13:08:59 GMT -5
Greg,you are absolutely right to inquire of the areas where Mr King stated Chris & Greene hung out looking for kids,However of the 37 people we did research on-25 of them had connections to those very areas,including John...Do I think Busch or Green made that statement to police at any time?-NO...as most of their pick ups were in other areas -including Flint-and L Brooks Patterson has stated many times through the years-that they didn't take children for their sex acts-in the Oakland County area-
Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 11, 2013 13:15:03 GMT -5
Sterling Heights, MI
#14763 13 min ago
Since no one involved with the 1977 OCCK investigation is involved with the OCCK investigation today, no one is held accountable for anything. Looks like the basic facts themselves are considered 'contradictive folklore' depending on what source you look at. This goes the same with the investigation in Alpena in 1991. Since no one involved back then is involved today nothing or no one is held accountable. The FOIA documents themsleves contradict what is known as the 'truth'. After the response from LE to the general public and governement sources that there was nothing to Helen's claims all those years, no one is held accountable for that either.
The whole OCCK case with it's many tangents and potential suspects provides nothing but dead ends since the basic facts can not even be determined. Probably the most botched up investigations ever made on any crime in history.
Ask anyone in LE (Or a reporter for that matter) the basic OCCK facts. If you don't like their answers ask another one. The actual facts change depending on who you talk to! They could never report status to the public or victim's families because they can't even agree on the basic facts.
Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 11, 2013 14:44:36 GMT -5
Thanks, Helen. Too bad the Kings won’t believe that information. Obviously, sperm is important because it does suggest a sexual predator as opposed to a kidnapper with a different motive besides sex. Is Ray Anger kind of a goof-ball detective? What is your current relationship with him (if there still is one)? Matt
Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 11, 2013 14:53:02 GMT -5
Helen Dagner wrote: <quoted text> I Agree-This Is not an active Cover -up,It is The result of A Confederacy of Incompetent Individuals,Oakland County Mi Law Enforcement and News Media Reasoning:wrote Sterling Heights, MI #14765 52 min ago Keep everything buried as much as possible. Avoid revealing because LE could never make heads or tails out of anything including the basic facts so it would be just too embarassing for the public to know. Go wonder why Robertson Senior in the 70s never wanted the families to get together back in it's day. He discouraged it because they might have found contradictions back then from the various LE contacts!
Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 12, 2013 1:21:57 GMT -5
Helen, Didn’t Garry Gray retire? And the Robertson you are referring to is the son of the late Detective Robertson, correct? Scott Note: Yes,Gray is retired and you are correct on the Robertson,he is no longer on the Task Force but is still with the MSP~
Post by Helen Dagner on Apr 12, 2013 2:24:31 GMT -5
Helen,Did you see this post by TruthDude the polygrapher ? Hi Reasoning,
Don't forget that there were TWO confessions in the OCCK case that would explain part of it in regard to Mark Stebbins. First, Chris Busch confessed to a local private polygraph examiner in what must have been 1977/78 that he was involved in the Tim King case. Second, Gary Greene from Prison named Chris Busch as the killer of Mark Stebbins. Third, the only matching DNA of any level thus far is of Busch's known victim, James Gunnels, to K. Mihelich. Further, Busch himself claimed he sought out children in the very areas where those children were taken. Too many coincidences here to be discounted for any reasonable person. Further, The DNA taken from Sloan's car has not as yet lead to any known associate published, and which may very well lead back to the world of Chris Busch, the Fox Island group, or the Cass Coridor group; each of which were pedophile probable pals of Busch and associates. We are all frustrated at the pace it has gone here, but compared to the prior thirty years, we are at least on track as it trickles out./////I don't know Helen,do you think he Still Believe' in Fairy Tales? Maybe he is still recovering from his Stroke.His saying "We are at least on track as it trickles out" Must be a Joke,is it possible for anyone to believe the Busch theory any more? Ken ( Note:) I sure can not name you one person,everyone I know has put the Busch Saga to bed.