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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 7, 2011 19:26:35 GMT -5
Helen, Do you know why there was a orange mark on the ankle of Tim King ?Ben-Note -I do.....
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 7, 2011 19:29:00 GMT -5
Helen, Do you know what the significance of a pair of wet panties in Jill Robinson's backpack was? Geo-Note- I do....
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 7, 2011 19:36:52 GMT -5
Helen, How would carbon monoxide get in the lungs of Kristine,when that wasn't her cause of death? Ray-Note- Well I do know this-There was no central heating in the place that Kris was held and a Kerosene heater was used for heating the area-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 7, 2011 19:42:42 GMT -5
Helen, Just read this once again,doesn't it make you angry that they didn't want to upset John?? They should have aggressively interviewed him!"Supplemental incident report dated December 21, 2009:
12-18-09, D/Sgt. Gray: Left a voice mail for [John Hastings--this is redacted, but come on, this isn't brain surgery] at 1:15 p.m. Asked for the undersigned to call on Monday 12-21-09, at his convenience.
Call to Steve Duncan, Georgia Highway Patrol polygraph-er who examined [John Hastings]. Has not heard back from [John] since his tx regarding reading the book given to him by Dagner, Wolf in Sheep's clothing.
[John] advised that he had recently changed jobs, however he's still working as a limo driver in the greater Atlanta, Georgia area. John [NOT REDACTED, thank you very much] was advised that it has been a long time since we've spoken and haven't spoken since [redacted for a few lines].[John] did qualify this statement by saying he read the book that was given to him by Helen Dagner, "Wolf in Sheep's Clothing," [redacted, redacted][John] stated "I don't know how it came to this point because I had nothing to do with this case at all." [John] mumbled throughout the conversations, but this seems to be his speaking style.[John] adamantly denied any involvement with the case and added it may have been from his numerous contacts with Helen Dagner and his fixation with this investigation.
Due to not wanting to upset [John] by questioning him further in an accusatory manner, AND AFTER REALIZING STEVE DUNCAN'S POLYGRAPH WITH HIM AND HIS WALKING OUT OF THE EXAM VERY UPSET [emphasis added], the undersigned decided not to attack him further but to soften the process."
Matt
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 7, 2011 19:50:50 GMT -5
Helen, I don't think John left for Europe right after Marks drop off,when you go over all the family's interview about this-one thing they all said was that he left after his father moved out of the house and that was (Sept 13, 1976 John M. Hastings, Sr moves out of family
house) according to the court records-so if John left then,his 45 day excursion would have put him back in the area for the rest of the abductions,murders and drop offs,I can not understand how LE can not see that. David
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 7, 2011 19:55:41 GMT -5
Helen, I get why they didn't go pick up the Shotgun when you told them where it was,because even today Ballistic can not match that shotgun and like you have said many times everyone in the Michigan area,has had one or two of them through the years,but you never mention if they talked to the brother about it,just to see his reaction.-Cliff-Note-I know they talked to him about when John was down there -but I do not see anything about them questioning him about the Shotgun...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 7, 2011 20:10:13 GMT -5
Helen, I just read the post where you Interviewed John's Dad by phone down in Fla. You asked him if he remembered Tim Kings murder and he said no he never heard about it,yet he didn't leave the Oakland County area until June 22, 1977 John M. Hastings, Sr transferred to
Chicago,How would it be even possible for him to have not heard about Tim and be in the area? Tim's body was conveniently found ,two days before he sold the rental house. What I'm getting at is maybe those questions are what made his BP go up so high that he had to go to the hospital several times in the next week. JJ Note- We will never know the answer to that-because no LE has ever interviewed the Dad-other than when he was interviewed in his yard in 1977-when he was told that a neighbor thought he was the Occk...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 7, 2011 20:17:28 GMT -5
Ken, The photos mention in this document were looked at -and NO photos of the OCCK Victims- and none of the photos were of any other dead children-all the kids were a live-"Supplemental incident report dated 1-8-10:
12-18-09 journal entry notes that D/Sgt. Ingrid Dean of the Traverse City Post would mail a copy of the 1977 article in the Traverse City newspaper about Fox Island. Dean "was able to make a contact with Retired Sergeant Moyes who does remember the North Fox case and remembers THERE WERE SEVERAL BOXES OF PHOTOGRAPHS.(Emphasis added.) "Moyes advised Igrid that he will definitely like to meet with here and hel in any way he can."
Mybrotherskeeper
FBI Laboratory (Quantico) Report of Examination, sent to FBI SA Sean Callaghan, Dated June 19, 2008--
Note that there are many redactions.
Says specimens received on March 31, 2008, April 25, 2008, and April 28, 2008.
It looks like buccal samples were provided from five people. The only name not redacted is Greg Green's. Because of the way this document is redacted, it is clear that a sample was provided by "the identified brother of Chris Busch," as well as a sample from "the identified sister of [redacted]."
These samples were being compared to the mitochondrial DNA sequences from at lease two previously obtained sequences--
The Q19 hair from the Pontiac debris, and the Q29 hair from the debris from the body of Timothy King (FBI Laboratory number 970808021, FBI Laboratory report dated June 25, 1999).
The report specifically states that "[t]he mtDNA sequences from Q19, Q29 [others redacted] are different. Therefore,[redacted, redacted], Gregory Greene, Chris Busch and [redacted], can be excluded as the source of the Q19 and Q29 hairs."
OK WHAT CAN WE TAKE FROM THIS? A HAIR WAS OBTAINED FROM "PONTIAC DEBRIS"--WTF??? WHAT PONTIAC?! THE Q29 HAIR WAS TAKEN FROM THE BODY OF TIMOTHY KING--APPARENTLY NOT FOUND UNTIL SOME TIME AROUND 6-25-99. A HAIR ON TIM KING'S BODY--AND I THINK THERE WAS MORE THAN ONE HAIR FOUND AND THAT THE OTHER MAY HAVE TURNED UP MISSING. AND Q29 ISN'T DISCOVERED UNTIL JUNE 1999?! JUST HOW SERIOUS WERE THESE PEOPLE ABOUT SOLVING THE CRIMES IF THEY HADN'T RERUN THE KIDS' CLOTHING FOR EVIDENCE AFTER EVIDENTIARY TECHNIQUES HAD IMPROVED BEFORE 1999? This stinks, stinks, stinks. And this information from only 20 pages provided in the FOIA suit! Imagine what is in the documents they withheld. The murdered kids in this case never had a voice. Not from day 1. And, police officers, this is who you represent. Not the families, not the prosecutors. You are the voice for the murdered. Their only chance. This is so revolting.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 7, 2011 20:38:56 GMT -5
Helen, Is that true that John and his friend were going to go into the metal scrap business and that it was right by the mail box where the Allen letter was mailed to Danto.Robert-Note-That is true....
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 7, 2011 20:41:48 GMT -5
Helen,what about this place where Johns friend lived that had horses,why are the cops so interested in that? Bob-Note -I have a post coming out on this soon-so will just wait on that info....
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 7, 2011 22:43:49 GMT -5
Hi Helen,
Was Danto seeing John as a patient? Did he have some link to the 555 building?
Did John's dad have some connection to Squirrel Road? (I notice the reference in the FOIA document)
Where do you think Kris was held? (in reference to your statement about the kerosene heater)
Thanks! Bat-I do not know if he was seeing John-Yes Danto had a link to the 555 building and John knew a lot about Danto He even drew me a map of his house and back yard-I am not sure if John's Dad or his Step -Mother had the Link to Squirrel Road-I am not going to give out the Location of where the Kids were held-only because we can no longer be sure....
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 8, 2011 22:30:04 GMT -5
It’s Helen's 70th birthday and she decides to celebrate it on her own at the Savoy Hotel because they make good drinks there. As soon as she arrives, Helen goes into the bar and orders a whiskey with 2 drops of water.
As the barman gives her the drink, Helen tells him, "I'm 70 years old today, you know."
The barman says, "As it's your birthday, this drink is on me."
"Thank you," says Helen, and she quickly finishes her drink.
Then a woman next to her says, "I’d like to buy you a drink, too."
"Why thanks," says Helen, "barman, a whiskey with 2 drops of water, please."
"Coming right up," says the barman. Helen again knocks back her drink.
Then a man next to her says, " madam, may I too buy you a drink?"
"Why yes," says Helen, "barman, a whiskey with 2 drops of water please."
As he hands her the drink, the barman says, "Excuse me for asking but why the whiskey with only 2 drops of water? I'm dying to know."
Helen replies, "It’s simple - when you're my age, you know how to hold your liquor, but take it from me, water is something altogether different!" Sgt. Happy 70th birthday Helen!
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 9, 2011 15:52:35 GMT -5
Helen,
Happy Birthday to you! I hope you're having a great weekend!
Isn't today's John's 62nd b-day?
Greg
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 9, 2011 15:53:49 GMT -5
Greg,John's Birthday is the 11th and yes he will be 62...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 9, 2011 16:00:19 GMT -5
So Helen,will you be calling John on his BD Tuesday?- Ray-Note-You know I was going to as I do every year-However after seeing his Interviews in The FOIA Documents,Rick and I talked about it and we really no longer have anything to talk to John about-So The answer is NO....
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