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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 30, 2011 0:37:54 GMT -5
Matt, you asked what the first tip was about John that was turned into the Task Force-It was from his Ex girl Friend who dated John from the time she was 18 until she turned 19-John was 28 at the time-They met at Biff's at Maple and Telegraph.where John had a job cooking -she dated him from April 1976 through the early winter of 1977-She said she Primarily turned the tip in to the Task Force because the composite pictures looked just like John. FOIA Document BLK01608
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 30, 2011 0:42:14 GMT -5
Another Tip came in on John,that said he was a homosexual, who was ,very nervous and shaky about police,and he was often seen near Woodward and Chester area- FOIA -BLK01608
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 30, 2011 0:53:52 GMT -5
The above Tip was turned in -in 1977-However when the person was talked to in 1992-they could not recall -calling that Tip in -or saying those words-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 30, 2011 0:59:16 GMT -5
Helen, Do you want to give us your prediction on what the results of the Grand Juries will be? Mike-Note-Well Mike it is late and I would have to polish my Crystal Ball-In order to give you a true analysis...so I will just hold off,until I can get that done-OK?
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 30, 2011 1:08:36 GMT -5
I sent him the 17 videos-He is also a Brother Rice Student-(Oakland County Sheriff Michael J. Bouchard thanks you for contacting the Oakland County Sheriff's Office. Our headquarters are located at 1200 North Telegraph Road Building 38E in Pontiac, Michigan 48341-1044. Our main office is open Monday through Friday from 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.
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Thank you for contacting Oakland County Sheriff Michael J. Bouchard and we look forward to serving you.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 30, 2011 1:12:58 GMT -5
Google Alert - oakland county child killer helen dagner Google Alerts to you - yesterday More Details /Web 1 new result for oakland county child killer helen dagner Pick up and Drop off Maps Oakland County Child Killer - Topix Pick up and Drop off Maps Oakland County Child Killer ... Helen,I just saw this on your site from Johns Interview with the Cops,He said I "made up" the map ... www.topix.com/forum/detroit/TLOUUK1ADEEN1L6T2
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 30, 2011 1:31:15 GMT -5
Helen ,Did you ever get any answers back on your request about being born again? Sue-Note-I sure did and I can not understand any of it-I have been a Christian all of my life-and never did I ever believe that God forgives Murder,with out any consequences-that is all new to me-John's Sister asked me if I was born again,when I made the statement that I was just as much a Christian as she was...she said well I doubt that -as I have been born again! Right!
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 30, 2011 12:19:56 GMT -5
www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/30/anwar-alawlaki-usborn-mus_n_988397.html?ncid=webmail15-It is a small WORLD-You have probably heard me say-That I know a lot of sleaze bags-This was one of them-Who I Met By Accident in San Diego- and it is a very strange story- I was dating a guy named Bobby and we did a lot of calling back and forth-one day I called him 3 times as we were making plans for a long nature walk-and I needed the details on what I should take a long-and whether we were going to eat some were along the way-yada-yada-yada-and when I called him the first time-He said someone was there and he couldn't talk- I thought that strange in and of it self-as Bobby never had -like company-he had a lot of friends -but he met them out side of his living area-on the second call to him-he said Helen we are in prayer-I will call you back-In prayer?? Sure didn't sound like some thing Bobby would be doing during the day- anyway I had already made up my mind-that the day was shot and we would not be going on are little trip--So you know me-I'm going to fix this problem-So I go get a Bucket of Chicken and take it up to Bobby's and as I get close to his door out comes this guy-and he says nothing to me after his initial look of contempt! So I get into Bobby's and I said -New Friend?- He said that is my Spiritual Adviser- Hmmm I'm thinking- there has to be something I'm not getting here- I saw the guy several more times when I took the Bus,However,he never acknowledge me in anyway-but I know I made him uncomfortable because I couldn't stop staring at him- I just could not figure out how a macho, testosterone driven guy like Bobby could be hanging with this guy who wore a turban- When I asked him about it ,all he would say is I have a lot of secret,that I haven't told you about-Bobby had been making a career of being in the service, until he lost an eye -what I could never wrap my head a round was that he went out to the Base nearly everyday-and would not talk about what he did out there-as time went on are relationship just fell apart,to the point that we couldn't even carry on a conversation,because I never knew what it was he was saying-he just seem to be over the edge- always talking about -how his ancestors were made slaves by American white people-and when I said to him-that was a long time ago and you really need to move on-then he started to rattle on about how Americans,need to pay for this-and they will-and this behavior,started after his meetings with his Spiritual Adviser -I still shake my head every time I think about this.....
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Post by Helen Dagner on Sept 30, 2011 12:30:06 GMT -5
Bad news
To save the economy, on September 30, 2011,
Obama will announce that he is ordering the
immigration department to start deporting
old people (instead of illegal's) in order to
lower Social Security and Medicare costs.
Old people are easier to catch, and will
not remember how to get back home!
I started crying when I thought of you.
.....see you on the bus.
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 1, 2011 20:06:24 GMT -5
It looks like mjh1922 playlist of your videos has completely disappeared from the internet since your last video came out. Perhaps he's not as much an avid fan as we thought. LOL Dean
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 1, 2011 22:52:39 GMT -5
needtolooselots Comment on your video: OCCK_HD_Archives_Pt3.avi Great work helen with compiling all these news clips and audio..I was 13 yrs old living in sterling hts when all this tragedy was taking place, my parents would not let us travel very far from our home..Thanx for creating these video's, Thumbnail6:30Add to OCCK_HD_Archives_Pt3.avi Oakland County Child Killer (OCCK) Archives from Helen Dagner's collection. The sound is from an old radio show that was once aired in 1977, The cassette tape that was the original broadcast tape was given to me by a contact. The tape was transfer...
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 2, 2011 15:07:05 GMT -5
Helen, I was on your site most of the night and I have lots of questions, however rather than overwhelm you at one time, I will ask the question on what bothers me the most, why was John only polygraph up in Alpena on Tim? You would think he would have been asked about the shotgun connected with Jill and the clothing he had described to you that Kris was wearing?? Matt-Note-I really do not have a clue-I myself have wonder about that for years-It could have been something to do with Jurisdiction,because at that time -each dept. was still in charge of there own case-I just do not have that answer-nor why they didn't ask him those questions in all the Interviews that all the cops had with him over the years-I will have more on all the questions he should have been asked-on the Thread Pandora box....
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 2, 2011 15:29:23 GMT -5
Ken, I can only answer this with the Info I have -I did not run a criminal record check on John-ever-I know from Johns, Dad that John got a lot of speeding tickets-a really lot-I know from being told by LE that he did not have a juvenile or adult arrest record with the Oakland County Sherriff's Department nor with the Bloomfield Township Police Department-I know from the Alpena Police that he had some bad checks that they contacted him about-I have no idea if that went as far as charges-he could have paid them off and that would have been the end of that-I just do not know-
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 2, 2011 16:15:44 GMT -5
Ken, I did find some more info on John-I was into Skiba's file on another matter having to do with the Alpena Police -and I found a Document that says-That Lt. Skiba provided Johns arrest report for Redacted Redacted Redacted---------restitution,but the case is still pending as of march 3-92-An exam is scheduled for later that month-Along with this case file,he provided booking cards,photographs, fingerprints and palm prints,of John-He said he had never met John or had any discussion with him. However ,he was in charge of the Redacted-Any information as to names and dates and information can be found in Lt. Skiba's reports which are attached to the file given to BPD-BKL01596
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Post by Helen Dagner on Oct 2, 2011 21:07:04 GMT -5
So the news stations must have a picture or a zerox copy of the sketch. They will not send you what they have? What are they worried about? However they will show a document from Don Studt's report right on the news about you and not even give an explanation what it was about. I ask what is wrong with this picture (no pun intended)?Frank-Note -You have that right! Good thing I'm connected and will have the picture we want soon-
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